Unveiling the Truth: The Bible's Second Chance for Salvation

[Alfred Persson]

It is because Christ's sacrifice is central to the salvation of every human past present and future, it was required the dead hear the gospel also, that no one from any generation fail to hear it.

Christ's sacrifice is central to salvation, but those who refuse it will not receive it.
Our fate is decided by us.

Curious. Where in my statement does it say "those who refuse it will receive it"? Or that our fate isn't decided by us?

Did I not say elsewhere, "Christ's sacrifice is so central to salvation those who never heard it cannot be judged."

That is why the Gospel is also preached to the dead, so they can be judged according to men in the flesh:

For this reason the gospel was preached also to those who are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit. (1 Pet. 4:6 NKJ)

 

[Consecrated Life]

"A straw man fallacy (sometimes written as strawman) is the informal fallacy of refuting an argument different from the one actually under discussion, while not recognizing or acknowledging the distinction. One who engages in this fallacy is said to be "attacking a straw man".-Wikipedia

I used the term "second chance" defining this life as "the first chance", the afterlife as "the second chance."

I also maintain only those who do not commit eternal sins, such as accept the mark of the beast, or blasphemy the Holy Spirit, will get a second chance.

I also say ONLY those who had not really considered the gospel of Christ for various reasons (self-delusion, addiction to sin, ignorance), would avail themselves of a second chance in death; AFTER they are cleansed of anything that might prevent an informed free will choice.

I never said or implied those who willfully disobey God, in full knowledge of the consequences, will change their decision if given a second chance.

If their decision to reject Christ was not caused by this fallen realm, but actually was their free will choice, they won't change their mind in hades.

4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit,
5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come,
6 if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.
7 For the earth which drinks in the rain that often comes upon it, and bears herbs useful for those by whom it is cultivated, receives blessing from God;
8 but if it bears thorns and briars, it is rejected and near to being cursed, whose end is to be burned. (Heb. 6:4-8 NKJ)

There are three classes of people in existence. 1) Children of God; 2) Children of the Devil; 3) Undetermined.

No child of the Devil will repent given a hundred chances. That's not who they are.

God's plan isn't for them, which is why the wicked aren't mentioned as Predestined unto damnation (Rom. 8:28ff). They aren't in the context at all. They are lost and can't be found.

God's plan is to save everyone He knows is a child of God, and not give Satan the victory over even one of them.

The "undetermined" who can go either way, who had not fully heard or were able to freely choose, can join the Elect of God and have their names written into the book of life. If they choose. But if not, then not.

For more on this go here:

What if the Bible Teaches Both Predestination and Free Will? | End Time News

What if the Bible Teaches Both Predestination and Free Will? Scripture says divine election is conditioned "according to the foreknowledge of God" (1 Pt. 1:2): Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood...

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So when you meet a person and give the good news of Salvation in the Crucified Lord Jesus , you never mention anything of redemption after death ?

 

[Highway54]

Christ described what hell is like, in Luke 16. We see Abraham and Lazarus in the "non-tormenting" section, and "the rich man" in the tormenting region. There is another level, called "the pit" in the OT (or "lowest sheol"), where the unredeemable go.

What is the meaning of the parable of the rich man and Lazarus sir?

 

[Highway54]

Christ described what hell is like, in Luke 16. We see Abraham and Lazarus in the "non-tormenting" section, and "the rich man" in the tormenting region. There is another level, called "the pit" in the OT (or "lowest sheol"), where the unredeemable go.

I gather that is no

 

[justbyfaith]

People who never had an opportunity in life to receive Christ may or may not have the opportunity to receive Him when they stand before Him, being judged.

Those who had an opportunity in life to receive Him; and didn't; shall receive no second chances.

 

[Hopeful]

People sin when they do not believe in the righteousness of Jesus Christ rising from the dead.

I think you are labeling "unbelief" as a sin.
As the other sins in the lives of unbelievers is what will end up destroying them, I feel it is unnecessary to add to it.
"Belief" is just a noun.
It is what unbelief spawns that is the sin.

 

[Hopeful]

I assume that's a typo, you meant 1 Peter 4:1.

No, not at all.
Those dead that Peter wrote of in 1 Peter 4 are those who were taught the gospel, by the Spirit, in their own time and place.
Too may teach that Jesus went to some underworld to teach those dead who had their chance, but rejected God during their lives.

I don't disagree. People physically alive who aren't born again Christians are "dead" spiritually.

Besides the point.

Of that group Peter singles out those he and the church preached to, who rejected the preaching they heard. Its implied by Peter's observation they "think it strange" and comment "they will give an account to Him" there is an element of ignorance and failure to really consider the issue that played a role in their rejection of the Gospel.

There is the "element" of rejection.

For this reason the gospel is ALSO preached (not only to the living, but also again when they are dead), so they can be judged for sin and repent once they know all the facts, and then choose to live according to God in the spirit:

You have misunderstood it.
You are mixing/blending two separate subjects from 1 Peter 4.
Those who walk as do the Gentiles, in 1 Peter 4:3-4, are not the ones from 1 Peter 1:10-12 mentioned in 1 Peter 4:6.

 

[Hopeful]

People who never had an opportunity in life to receive Christ may or may not have the opportunity to receive Him when they stand before Him, being judged.

Those who had an opportunity in life to receive Him; and didn't; shall receive no second chances.

Do you really feel that anyone really interested in the real God would be ignored by God?
I don't think anyone who wants to know God will not get the chance to prove their love for Him while they still live.

 

[justbyfaith]

Do you really feel that anyone really interested in the real God would be ignored by God?
I don't think anyone who wants to know God will not get the chance to prove their love for Him while they still live.

I think that the whole concept of the pygmy in Africa tells us that there may be those who obey the light of Romans 1 and 2 (the light of creation and conscience) but never get exposed to the light of Romans 3 (the light of Christ).

 

[Hopeful]

I think that the whole concept of the pygmy in Africa tells us that there may be those who obey the light of Romans 1 and 2 (the light of creation and conscience) but never get exposed to the light of Romans 3 (the light of Christ).

Everyone gets a conscience.
Those who follow it will be accepted of Christ.
They are a law unto themselves.
Those who do follow their conscience will not be abandoned by God here on earth, but will have the way of God expounded to them.
The Ethiopian eunuch is a pretty good example.

 

[justbyfaith]

Everyone gets a conscience.
Those who follow it will be accepted of Christ.
They are a law unto themselves.
Those who do follow their conscience will not be abandoned by God here on earth, but will have the way of God expounded to them.
The Ethiopian eunuch is a pretty good example.

The pygmy in Africa, who never heard of Christ, will not be accepted of God on the basis of the fact that he followed his conscience. He must receive Christ just like anyone else in order to be saved. Problem is, that before the missions movement reaches everyone, the pygmy in Africa never heard of Christ and died having never heard of Christ.

Does he go to heaven or hell?

Or, does he have an opportunity at his own judgment seat to receive Christ?

 

[gordon777]

Why the conversation going in circles ?

Jesus Christ called and has chosen His sheep, draws them, raises them up the last day. ( no mention of anyone else being risen is given.)

There is no other way but by Jesus Christ, ( He is the door, fake opinions are not any door at all)the false teaching has ended. There is one fold, no other fold is testified so cannot be.



John 10:1 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.

John 10:9 I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.

John 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.


John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

 

[Hopeful]

The pygmy in Africa, who never heard of Christ, will not be accepted of God on the basis of the fact that he followed his conscience. He must receive Christ just like anyone else in order to be saved. Problem is, that before the missions movement reaches everyone, the pygmy in Africa never heard of Christ and died having never heard of Christ.

If he followed his God given conscience, what could he be charged with?
The crux is that nobody can follow their conscience.
But if a pygmy or an American seeks God so he can follow his conscience, God will manifest Himself to him.

Does he go to heaven or hell?
Or, does he have an opportunity at his own judgment seat to receive Christ?

After dying, there is no chance to do anything but accept judgement.