Unveiling the Truth: The Bible's Second Chance for Salvation

[Alfred Persson]

I am only trying to correct errors.

To prove your point.

And you still haven't provided one that truly backs you position.
In fact your position is not even that clear to me.
So maybe flesh it out a bit more with multiple verses.

More verses you say?

I'd rather eat bugs; it would be more enjoyable.

 

[Alfred Persson]

For me God does not promise for heaven what He has not given clear example of on earth.

You cannot give the example of God giving a second chance of this magnitude in the Bible .

God gave Ahab and the Ninevites a second chance:

7 So it was, when Ahab heard those words, that he tore his clothes and put sackcloth on his body, and fasted and lay in sackcloth, and went about mourning.
28 And the word of the LORD came to Elijah the Tishbite, saying,
29 “See how Ahab has humbled himself before Me? Because he has humbled himself before Me, I will not bring the calamity in his days. In the days of his son I will bring the calamity on his house.” (1 Ki. 21:27-29 NKJ)

6 Then word came to the king of Nineveh; and he arose from his throne and laid aside his robe, covered himself with sackcloth and sat in ashes.
7 And he caused it to be proclaimed and published throughout Nineveh by the decree of the king and his nobles, saying, Let neither man nor beast, herd nor flock, taste anything; do not let them eat, or drink water.
8 But let man and beast be covered with sackcloth, and cry mightily to God; yes, let every one turn from his evil way and from the violence that is in his hands.
9 Who can tell if God will turn and relent, and turn away from His fierce anger, so that we may not perish?
10 Then God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God relented from the disaster that He had said He would bring upon them, and He did not do it. (Jon. 3:6-10 NKJ)

 

[Consecrated Life]

God gave Ahab and the Ninevites a second chance:

7 So it was, when Ahab heard those words, that he tore his clothes and put sackcloth on his body, and fasted and lay in sackcloth, and went about mourning.
28 And the word of the LORD came to Elijah the Tishbite, saying,
29 “See how Ahab has humbled himself before Me? Because he has humbled himself before Me, I will not bring the calamity in his days. In the days of his son I will bring the calamity on his house.” (1 Ki. 21:27-29 NKJ)

Ahab was one of the top two most evil Kings of Israel .
His humbleness before God was short lived and it was the regret of a thief being only sorry in that they got caught.
Evidenced by they fact that God ultimately fulfilled every judgement He pronounced on him the only modification being He delayed wiping the planet of his offspring until after the dogs had licked up the blood .
You are miles away in making a comparison to God's clear teaching the one chance principle of accepting the Passover sacrifice as told to them.

1 Kings 21:21-24​

21 He says, ‘I am going to bring disaster on you. I will wipe out your descendants and cut off from Ahab every last male in Israel—slave or free.
22 I will make your house like that of Jeroboam son of Nebat and that of Baasha son of Ahijah, because you have aroused my anger and have caused Israel to sin.’
23 “And also concerning Jezebel the LORD says: ‘Dogs will devour Jezebel by the wall of Jezreel.’
24 “Dogs will eat those belonging to Ahab who die in the city, and the birds will feed on those who die in the country.”

 

[dwb001]

More verses you say?

I'd rather eat bugs; it would be more enjoyable.

So you only have two verses in the entire Bible that back your position?
That might be a bit of an unstable foundation for such an important belief.

 

[Highway54]

I don't see these verses backing up your position.
Maybe spell it out as to why you think this verse works for your position vs against it.

So you changed your story again.
First Jesus and the 144k are immortal.
Then Jesus died.
So where is the proof text that the 144k are immortal.

Reread those verses they include Jesus and the anointed as well, and they state they will not die correct, what do you think immortal means DWB?

Paul explains it this way sir, I am sorry I didn't include it in my last post, I thought I did:
(1 Corinthians 15:50-57) . . .I tell you this, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit God’s Kingdom, nor does corruption inherit incorruption. 51 Look! I tell you a sacred secret: We will not all fall asleep in death, but we will all be changed, 52 in a moment, in the blink of an eye, during the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised up incorruptible, and we will be changed. 53 For this which is corruptible must put on incorruption, and this which is mortal must put on immortality. 54 But when this which is corruptible puts on incorruption and this which is mortal puts on immortality, then the saying that is written will take place: “Death is swallowed up forever.” 55 “Death, where is your victory? Death, where is your sting?” 56 The sting producing death is sin, and the power for sin is the Law. 57 But thanks to God, for he gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ!

Jesus went to heaven, as do the 144k (Rev 14:3). All who leave the earth to reside in heaven are granted immortality. I do not understand it, but that is what the Bible really teaches as seen in these passages DWB

 

[Highway54]

If you argue the doctrines and opinions of a group, a particular sect....you should reveal their identity.

No disrespect taken, you are right. My posts are too long, I should focus on one idea at a time.

I would appreciate that Alfred, I am not a great reader, and truly get lost with lengthy explanations. I can relate and reason with point or two to point or two reasoning. I will say that I am not of your faith Alfred, which by my fruits you likely guessed. I was raised a Baptist, but am not one now. I find that revealing my faith closes a lot of minds that might otherwise be receptive, make any sense? That is why I try to just give Scriptural evidence for my posts.

If you would like to personal message me I will gladly tell you, or no doubt since some already know it, it will become common knowledge soon.

 

[dwb001]

Reread those verses they include Jesus and the anointed as well, and they state they will not die correct, what do you think immortal means DWB?

Jesus died... ergo not immortal.
Where does it say the 144k will not die?

Paul explains it this way sir, I am sorry I didn't include it in my last post, I thought I did:
(1 Corinthians 15:50-57) . . .I tell you this, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit God’s Kingdom, nor does corruption inherit incorruption. 51 Look! I tell you a sacred secret: We will not all fall asleep in death, but we will all be changed, 52 in a moment, in the blink of an eye, during the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised up incorruptible, and we will be changed. 53 For this which is corruptible must put on incorruption, and this which is mortal must put on immortality. 54 But when this which is corruptible puts on incorruption and this which is mortal puts on immortality, then the saying that is written will take place: “Death is swallowed up forever.” 55 “Death, where is your victory? Death, where is your sting?” 56 The sting producing death is sin, and the power for sin is the Law. 57 But thanks to God, for he gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ!

I see nothing here that speaks to immortality.

Jesus went to heaven, as do the 144k (Rev 14:3). All who leave the earth to reside in heaven are granted immortality.

Immortality is not dying. If Jesus died then not immortal... where does it say the 144k do not die on their way to heaven?

I do not understand it, but that is what the Bible really teaches as seen in these passages DWB

Funny that you have not shown me where in the Bible these things are taught even though I have asked repeatedly for your proof texts.
Why not just provide the texts that say Jesus never died and that the 144k will not die?

 

[Alfred Persson]

I would appreciate that Alfred, I am not a great reader, and truly get lost with lengthy explanations. I can relate and reason with point or two to point or two reasoning. I will say that I am not of your faith Alfred, which by my fruits you likely guessed. I was raised a Baptist, but am not one now. I find that revealing my faith closes a lot of minds that might otherwise be receptive, make any sense? That is why I try to just give Scriptural evidence for my posts.

If you would like to personal message me I will gladly tell you, or no doubt since some already know it, it will become common knowledge soon.

I hope to keep posts short hereon. If you want your church's name not to affect how people react to your posts... perhaps you should not say "we don't believe that...etc."

As for me, "scripture" is the sole authority, so if it backs up something you say, I'll agree regardless of your sect.

But perhaps its better I don't know your church's name, then my response might have more legitimacy to you. Then you wont suppose my objection isn't because of Scripture.

 

[Alfred Persson]

So you only have two verses in the entire Bible that back your position?
That might be a bit of an unstable foundation for such an important belief.

I'd like to hear your opinion on more verses, but isn't there enough ignorance in the world already?

 

[Alfred Persson]

Ahab was one of the top two most evil Kings of Israel .
His humbleness before God was short lived and it was the regret of a thief being only sorry in that they got caught.
Evidenced by they fact that God ultimately fulfilled every judgement He pronounced on him the only modification being He delayed wiping the planet of his offspring until after the dogs had licked up the blood .
You are miles away in making a comparison to God's clear teaching the one chance principle of accepting the Passover sacrifice as told to them.

Incorrect, those two examples of God honoring repentance refuted your claim God doesn't do that. The OT is filled with scripture where people in hell cry out to Him and He saves them. You don't know this because you shut your eyes to it. Here is the evidence:

"For I have no pleasure in the death of one who dies," says the Lord GOD. "Therefore turn and live!" (Ezek. 18:32 NKJ)

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39 `Now see that I, even I, am He, And there is no God besides Me; I kill and I make alive; I wound and I heal; Nor is there any who can deliver from My hand. (Deut. 32:39 NKJ)

God kills but also makes alive, He wounds but also heals. That God smites in punishment but mercifully heals is a common theme (Hos. 6:1; Isa. 30:26; 57:17, 18; Jer. 17:14).

"The LORD kills and makes alive; He brings down to the grave and brings up. (1 Sam. 2:6 NKJ)

God makes alive those He killed, brings up from the grave those He put there. That is a second chance.

5 `When the waves of death surrounded me, The floods of ungodliness made me afraid.
6 The sorrows of Sheol surrounded me; The snares of death confronted me.
7 In my distress I called upon the LORD, And cried out to my God; He heard my voice from His temple, And my cry entered His ears.
…
17 "He sent from above, He took me, He drew me out of many waters.
18 He delivered me from my strong enemy, From those who hated me; For they were too strong for me.
19 They confronted me in the day of my calamity, But the LORD was my support.
20 He also brought me out into a broad place; He delivered me because He delighted in me. (2 Sam. 22:5-20 NKJ)

The prophet David could not analogize his troubles to God's salvation from Sheol if he didn't believe it exists.
Even from His Temple far away God hears the plea of those suffering the sorrows of Hell (Sheol), and rescues them from the snares of Death.

10 For You will not leave my soul in Sheol, Nor will You allow Your Holy One to see corruption.
11 You will show me the path of life; In Your presence is fullness of joy; At Your right hand are pleasures forevermore. (Ps. 16:10-11 NKJ)

The prophet David speaking by Holy Spirit (Acts 2:30-31) of the Christ professed his belief God would not leave his soul in hell, but would show him the "path of life" and raise him from the dead. Essentially, a second chance for life.

1 I waited patiently for the LORD; And He inclined to me, And heard my cry.
2 He also brought me up out of a horrible pit, Out of the miry clay, And set my feet upon a rock, And established my steps.
3 He has put a new song in my mouth-- Praise to our God; Many will see it and fear, And will trust in the LORD. (Ps. 40:1-3 NKJ)

God hears David's cry from hell and he saved from hell. That's a second chance.

15 But God will redeem my soul from the power of the grave, For He shall receive me. Selah (Ps. 49:15 NKJ)

Redemption from death is a second chance.

For You have delivered my soul from death. Have You not kept my feet from falling, That I may walk before God In the light of the living? (Ps. 56:13 NKJ)

Deliverance from death is a "second chance".

You have ascended on high, You have led captivity captive; You have received gifts among men, Even from the rebellious, That the LORD God might dwell there. (Ps. 68:18 NKJ)

Leading repentant captives of death to heaven that the LORD might dwell among them is a second chance. Compare 1 Peter 3:18-22; Eph. 1:20-23; 4:8-10.

13 But as for me, my prayer is to You, O LORD, in the acceptable time; O God, in the multitude of Your mercy, Hear me in the truth of Your salvation.
14 Deliver me out of the mire, And let me not sink; Let me be delivered from those who hate me, And out of the deep waters.
15 Let not the floodwater overflow me, Nor let the deep swallow me up; And let not the pit shut its mouth on me.
16 Hear me, O LORD, for Your lovingkindness is good; Turn to me according to the multitude of Your tender mercies.
17 And do not hide Your face from Your servant, For I am in trouble; Hear me speedily.
18 Draw near to my soul, and redeem it; Deliver me because of my enemies. (Ps. 69:13-18 NKJ)

Being delivered from hell after repentance is a second chance.

19 Also Your righteousness, O God, is very high, You who have done great things; O God, who is like You?
20 You, who have shown me great and severe troubles, Shall revive me again, And bring me up again from the depths of the earth.
21 You shall increase my greatness, And comfort me on every side.
22 Also with the lute I will praise you-- And Your faithfulness, O my God! To You I will sing with the harp, O Holy One of Israel.
23 My lips shall greatly rejoice when I sing to You, And my soul, which You have redeemed. (Ps. 71:19-23 NKJ)

Redemption from depths of the earth also describes a second chance.

12 I will praise You, O Lord my God, with all my heart, And I will glorify Your name forevermore.
13 For great is Your mercy toward me, And You have delivered my soul from the depths of Sheol. (Ps. 86:12-13 NKJ)

The deliverance of a soul from hell is a second chance.

18 This will be written for the generation to come, That a people yet to be created may praise the LORD.
19 For He looked down from the height of His sanctuary; From heaven the LORD viewed the earth,
20 To hear the groaning of the prisoner, To release those appointed to death,
21 To declare the name of the LORD in Zion, And His praise in Jerusalem,
22 When the peoples are gathered together, And the kingdoms, to serve the LORD. (Ps. 102:18-22 NKJ)

Releasing "those appointed to death" is a second chance.

2 Bless the LORD, O my soul, And forget not all His benefits:
3 Who forgives all your iniquities, Who heals all your diseases,
4 Who redeems your life from destruction, Who crowns you with lovingkindness and tender mercies (Ps. 103:2-4 NKJ)

Forgiving sins then redeeming from destruction is a second chance.

1 I love the LORD, because He has heard My voice and my supplications.
2 Because He has inclined His ear to me, Therefore I will call upon Him as long as I live.
3 The pains of death surrounded me, And the pangs of Sheol laid hold of me; I found trouble and sorrow.
4 Then I called upon the name of the LORD: "O LORD, I implore You, deliver my soul!"
5 Gracious is the LORD, and righteous; Yes, our God is merciful.
6 The LORD preserves the simple; I was brought low, and He saved me.
7 Return to your rest, O my soul, For the LORD has dealt bountifully with you.
8 For You have delivered my soul from death, My eyes from tears, And my feet from falling.
9 I will walk before the LORD In the land of the living. (Ps. 116:1-9 NKJ)

Calling upon the LORD to save from hell is what happens during a "second chance."

4 When the Lord has washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion, and purged the blood of Jerusalem from her midst, by the spirit of judgment and by the spirit of burning,
5 then the LORD will create above every dwelling place of Mount Zion, and above her assemblies, a cloud and smoke by day and the shining of a flaming fire by night. For over all the glory there will be a covering.
6 And there will be a tabernacle for shade in the daytime from the heat, for a place of refuge, and for a shelter from storm and rain. (Isa. 4:4-6 NKJ)

God purges away sin and self-delusion by the Spirit of judgment and burning. Same process would exist in a "second chance".

"I will ransom them from the power of the grave; I will redeem them from death. O Death, I will be your plagues! O Grave, I will be your destruction! Pity is hidden from My eyes." (Hos. 13:14 )

Ransom from the grave is a second chance.

1 Then Jonah prayed to the LORD his God from the fish's belly.
2 And he said: "I cried out to the LORD because of my affliction, And He answered me. "Out of the belly of Sheol I cried, And You heard my voice.
3 For You cast me into the deep, Into the heart of the seas, And the floods surrounded me; All Your billows and Your waves passed over me.
4 Then I said,`I have been cast out of Your sight; Yet I will look again toward Your holy temple.'
5 The waters surrounded me, even to my soul; The deep closed around me; Weeds were wrapped around my head.
6 I went down to the moorings of the mountains; The earth with its bars closed behind me forever; Yet You have brought up my life from the pit, O LORD, my God.
7 "When my soul fainted within me, I remembered the LORD; And my prayer went up to You, Into Your holy temple.
8 "Those who regard worthless idols Forsake their own Mercy.
9 But I will sacrifice to You With the voice of thanksgiving; I will pay what I have vowed. Salvation is of the LORD." (Jon. 2:1-9 NKJ)

Jonah is the perfect example of someone given a second chance.

7 Therefore I will look to the LORD; I will wait for the God of my salvation; My God will hear me.
8 Do not rejoice over me, my enemy; When I fall, I will arise; When I sit in darkness, The LORD will be a light to me.
9 I will bear the indignation of the LORD, Because I have sinned against Him, Until He pleads my case And executes justice for me. He will bring me forth to the light; I will see His righteousness. (Mic. 7:7-9 NKJ)

 

[dwb001]

I'd like to hear your opinion on more verses, but isn't there enough ignorance in the world already?

Fine... Provide the verses and I will comment.
That is why I am here... to make the world a little more informed every day.

 

[Free]

I've just deleted several posts. Please stick to the topic and do not make things personal. Any further violations of the ToS will result in being banned from this discussion.

 

[Consecrated Life]

Ahab was one of the top two most evil Kings of Israel .
His humbleness before God was short lived and it was the regret of a thief being only sorry in that they got caught.
Evidenced by they fact that God ultimately fulfilled every judgement He pronounced on him the only modification being He delayed wiping the planet of his offspring until after the dogs had licked up the blood .
You are miles away in making a comparison to God's clear teaching the one chance principle of accepting the Passover sacrifice as told to them.

1 Kings 21:21-24​

21 He says, ‘I am going to bring disaster on you. I will wipe out your descendants and cut off from Ahab every last male in Israel—slave or free.
22 I will make your house like that of Jeroboam son of Nebat and that of Baasha son of Ahijah, because you have aroused my anger and have caused Israel to sin.’
23 “And also concerning Jezebel the LORD says: ‘Dogs will devour Jezebel by the wall of Jezreel.’
24 “Dogs will eat those belonging to Ahab who die in the city, and the birds will feed on those who die in the country.”

Incorrect, those two examples of God honoring repentance refuted your claim God doesn't do that. The OT is filled with scripture where people in hell cry out to Him and He saves them. You don't know this because you shut your eyes to it. Here is the evidence:

That you believe in the afterlife you will be sharing the same eternal dwelling place as Ahab & Jezebel who God called the most evil king of Israel strikes me as a very honest self-assessment.
Well done.

1Ki 16:30
And Ahab the son of Omri did evil in the sight of the LORD above all that were before him.
1Ki 16:33
Ahab did more to provoke the LORD God of Israel to anger than all the kings of Israel that were before him.

 

[Alfred Persson]

That you believe in the afterlife you will be sharing the same eternal dwelling place as Ahab & Jezebel who God called the most evil king of Israel strikes me as a very honest self-assessment.

Not if God forgives them:

Lets hope the scripture proof doesn't get deleted again:

Many Old Testament Scriptures speak of redemption from hell:



Therefore, it is implicit in every Old Testament text which speaks of prayers for forgiveness of sin and God's redeeming souls from hell supports the conclusion God grants a second chance for life in Hell.

"For I have no pleasure in the death of one who dies," says the Lord GOD. "Therefore turn and live!" (Ezek. 18:32 NKJ)

---

39 `Now see that I, even I, am He, And there is no God besides Me; I kill and I make alive; I wound and I heal; Nor is there any who can deliver from My hand. (Deut. 32:39 NKJ)

God kills but also makes alive, He wounds but also heals. That God smites in punishment but mercifully heals is a common theme (Hos. 6:1; Isa. 30:26; 57:17, 18; Jer. 17:14).

"The LORD kills and makes alive; He brings down to the grave and brings up. (1 Sam. 2:6 NKJ)

God makes alive those He killed, brings up from the grave those He put there. That is a second chance.

5 `When the waves of death surrounded me, The floods of ungodliness made me afraid.
6 The sorrows of Sheol surrounded me; The snares of death confronted me.
7 In my distress I called upon the LORD, And cried out to my God; He heard my voice from His temple, And my cry entered His ears.
…
17 "He sent from above, He took me, He drew me out of many waters.
18 He delivered me from my strong enemy, From those who hated me; For they were too strong for me.
19 They confronted me in the day of my calamity, But the LORD was my support.
20 He also brought me out into a broad place; He delivered me because He delighted in me. (2 Sam. 22:5-20 NKJ)

The prophet David could not analogize his troubles to God's salvation from Sheol if he didn't believe it exists.
Even from His Temple far away God hears the plea of those suffering the sorrows of Hell (Sheol), and rescues them from the snares of Death.

10 For You will not leave my soul in Sheol, Nor will You allow Your Holy One to see corruption.
11 You will show me the path of life; In Your presence is fullness of joy; At Your right hand are pleasures forevermore. (Ps. 16:10-11 NKJ)

The prophet David speaking by Holy Spirit (Acts 2:30-31) of the Christ professed his belief God would not leave his soul in hell, but would show him the "path of life" and raise him from the dead. Essentially, a second chance for life.

1 I waited patiently for the LORD; And He inclined to me, And heard my cry.
2 He also brought me up out of a horrible pit, Out of the miry clay, And set my feet upon a rock, And established my steps.
3 He has put a new song in my mouth-- Praise to our God; Many will see it and fear, And will trust in the LORD. (Ps. 40:1-3 NKJ)

God hears David's cry from hell and he saved from hell. That's a second chance.

15 But God will redeem my soul from the power of the grave, For He shall receive me. Selah (Ps. 49:15 NKJ)

Redemption from death is a second chance.

For You have delivered my soul from death. Have You not kept my feet from falling, That I may walk before God In the light of the living? (Ps. 56:13 NKJ)

Deliverance from death is a "second chance".

You have ascended on high, You have led captivity captive; You have received gifts among men, Even from the rebellious, That the LORD God might dwell there. (Ps. 68:18 NKJ)

Leading repentant captives of death to heaven that the LORD might dwell among them is a second chance. Compare 1 Peter 3:18-22; Eph. 1:20-23; 4:8-10.

13 But as for me, my prayer is to You, O LORD, in the acceptable time; O God, in the multitude of Your mercy, Hear me in the truth of Your salvation.
14 Deliver me out of the mire, And let me not sink; Let me be delivered from those who hate me, And out of the deep waters.
15 Let not the floodwater overflow me, Nor let the deep swallow me up; And let not the pit shut its mouth on me.
16 Hear me, O LORD, for Your lovingkindness is good; Turn to me according to the multitude of Your tender mercies.
17 And do not hide Your face from Your servant, For I am in trouble; Hear me speedily.
18 Draw near to my soul, and redeem it; Deliver me because of my enemies. (Ps. 69:13-18 NKJ)

Being delivered from hell after repentance is a second chance.

19 Also Your righteousness, O God, is very high, You who have done great things; O God, who is like You?
20 You, who have shown me great and severe troubles, Shall revive me again, And bring me up again from the depths of the earth.
21 You shall increase my greatness, And comfort me on every side.
22 Also with the lute I will praise you-- And Your faithfulness, O my God! To You I will sing with the harp, O Holy One of Israel.
23 My lips shall greatly rejoice when I sing to You, And my soul, which You have redeemed. (Ps. 71:19-23 NKJ)

Redemption from depths of the earth also describes a second chance.

12 I will praise You, O Lord my God, with all my heart, And I will glorify Your name forevermore.
13 For great is Your mercy toward me, And You have delivered my soul from the depths of Sheol. (Ps. 86:12-13 NKJ)

The deliverance of a soul from hell is a second chance.

18 This will be written for the generation to come, That a people yet to be created may praise the LORD.
19 For He looked down from the height of His sanctuary; From heaven the LORD viewed the earth,
20 To hear the groaning of the prisoner, To release those appointed to death,
21 To declare the name of the LORD in Zion, And His praise in Jerusalem,
22 When the peoples are gathered together, And the kingdoms, to serve the LORD. (Ps. 102:18-22 NKJ)

Releasing "those appointed to death" is a second chance.

2 Bless the LORD, O my soul, And forget not all His benefits:
3 Who forgives all your iniquities, Who heals all your diseases,
4 Who redeems your life from destruction, Who crowns you with lovingkindness and tender mercies (Ps. 103:2-4 NKJ)

Forgiving sins then redeeming from destruction is a second chance.

1 I love the LORD, because He has heard My voice and my supplications.
2 Because He has inclined His ear to me, Therefore I will call upon Him as long as I live.
3 The pains of death surrounded me, And the pangs of Sheol laid hold of me; I found trouble and sorrow.
4 Then I called upon the name of the LORD: "O LORD, I implore You, deliver my soul!"
5 Gracious is the LORD, and righteous; Yes, our God is merciful.
6 The LORD preserves the simple; I was brought low, and He saved me.
7 Return to your rest, O my soul, For the LORD has dealt bountifully with you.
8 For You have delivered my soul from death, My eyes from tears, And my feet from falling.
9 I will walk before the LORD In the land of the living. (Ps. 116:1-9 NKJ)

Calling upon the LORD to save from hell is what happens during a "second chance."

4 When the Lord has washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion, and purged the blood of Jerusalem from her midst, by the spirit of judgment and by the spirit of burning,
5 then the LORD will create above every dwelling place of Mount Zion, and above her assemblies, a cloud and smoke by day and the shining of a flaming fire by night. For over all the glory there will be a covering.
6 And there will be a tabernacle for shade in the daytime from the heat, for a place of refuge, and for a shelter from storm and rain. (Isa. 4:4-6 NKJ)

God purges away sin and self-delusion by the Spirit of judgment and burning. Same process would exist in a "second chance".

"I will ransom them from the power of the grave; I will redeem them from death. O Death, I will be your plagues! O Grave, I will be your destruction! Pity is hidden from My eyes." (Hos. 13:14 )

Ransom from the grave is a second chance.

1 Then Jonah prayed to the LORD his God from the fish's belly.
2 And he said: "I cried out to the LORD because of my affliction, And He answered me. "Out of the belly of Sheol I cried, And You heard my voice.
3 For You cast me into the deep, Into the heart of the seas, And the floods surrounded me; All Your billows and Your waves passed over me.
4 Then I said,`I have been cast out of Your sight; Yet I will look again toward Your holy temple.'
5 The waters surrounded me, even to my soul; The deep closed around me; Weeds were wrapped around my head.
6 I went down to the moorings of the mountains; The earth with its bars closed behind me forever; Yet You have brought up my life from the pit, O LORD, my God.
7 "When my soul fainted within me, I remembered the LORD; And my prayer went up to You, Into Your holy temple.
8 "Those who regard worthless idols Forsake their own Mercy.
9 But I will sacrifice to You With the voice of thanksgiving; I will pay what I have vowed. Salvation is of the LORD." (Jon. 2:1-9 NKJ)

Jonah is the perfect example of someone given a second chance.

7 Therefore I will look to the LORD; I will wait for the God of my salvation; My God will hear me.
8 Do not rejoice over me, my enemy; When I fall, I will arise; When I sit in darkness, The LORD will be a light to me.
9 I will bear the indignation of the LORD, Because I have sinned against Him, Until He pleads my case And executes justice for me. He will bring me forth to the light; I will see His righteousness. (Mic. 7:7-9 NKJ)

 

[Alfred Persson]

Those of my faith sir

Very true!

Actually only the enlightened ones do sir. That is why there is no redemption for them.

No disrespect Alfred, you really go to great lengths to help, but I get lost in the shuffle sir. Please keep it simple with many steps if needed rather than writing a book that I cannot comprehend.

Perhaps I caused some confusion by not distinguishing "krisis" Judgment from Christians appearing before the Judgment Seat of Christ to receive or not receive recompense for their deeds, good or worthless:

10 But why do you judge your brother? Or why do you show contempt for your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
11 For it is written: "As I live, says the LORD, Every knee shall bow to Me, And every tongue shall confess to God."
12 So then each of us shall give account of himself to God. (Rom. 14:10-12 NKJ)

9 Therefore we make it our aim, whether present or absent, to be well pleasing to Him.
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad. (2 Cor. 5:9-10 NKJ)

14 If anyone's work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward.
15 If anyone's work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire. (1 Cor. 3:14-15 NKJ)

This last has been misunderstood as purgatory for believers, but instead of that its simile. If anyone's work is burned they will suffer the loss (of everything in the house), he will flee the burning house carrying none of its contents, perhaps even without clothing on his back, "as a man through fire" escapes emptyhanded.

4 For I know nothing against myself, yet I am not justified by this; but He who judges me is the Lord.
5 Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord comes, who will both bring to light the hidden things of darkness and reveal the counsels of the hearts. Then each one's praise will come from God.
(1 Cor. 4:4-5 NKJ)

So Christians will be judged, but not "krisis" judged which happens during the Great White Throne Jugment in Revelation.

 

[Highway54]

I hope to keep posts short hereon. If you want your church's name not to affect how people react to your posts... perhaps you should not say "we don't believe that...etc."

As for me, "scripture" is the sole authority, so if it backs up something you say, I'll agree regardless of your sect.

But perhaps its better I don't know your church's name, then my response might have more legitimacy to you. Then you wont suppose my objection isn't because of Scripture.

I am sure you would agree Alfred, the Bible is the key. If one believes and accepts God's word, He will gather them into His people.

 

[dwb001]

I do believe that, even if they get some of it wrong. If they honor the Son, by God's grace they will enter. If not in this life, then in hell.

If you love God, love God the Son, then even hell will work for your good:

And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose. (Rom. 8:28 NKJ)

So why do you want the Bible to say there is a second chance in Hell to be saved?
Who in your life is in Hell and you want them to be forgiven?
Or is it you... do you want a "get out of Hell free" card?

 

[Alfred Persson]

So why do you want the Bible to say there is a second chance in Hell to be saved?
Who in your life is in Hell and you want them to be forgiven?
Or is it you... do you want a "get out of Hell free" card?

See post #54 above. Lots of scriptural reasons, none of them personal.

 

[dwb001]

See post #54 above. Lots of scriptural reasons, none of them personal.

Right... and I am asking for your personal reasons.

 

[Alfred Persson]

I am sure you would agree Alfred, the Bible is the key. If one believes and accepts God's word, He will gather them into His people.

I do believe that, even if they get some of it wrong.

If you love God, love God the Son, then even hell will work for your good:

And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose. (Rom. 8:28 NKJ)

Years ago, while I still fancied myself a "heresy hunter" quick to pounce on anyone who didn't toe the Reformed Baptist line, it occurred to me my fellow Christians in Protestantism vary widely in many beliefs.

It was biased and hypocritical I pounce only on those in the "cults", when just as wide differences in belief exist in mainline churches.

And now I'm on "the fringe" accused of heresy.

But I can prove by the Scriptures, I (and the early church) are right and everyone else (believing the Catholic confusion that appeared centuries later), are wrong.

But I don't think their disagreement will keep them out of God's kingdom any more than getting other doctrines wrong. God won't turn away those who love Him just because something was unclear to them.