Vince's Boring Thesis on Divorce

[shad]

I hope you don't mind me butting in.

Divorce and remarriage are not complicated but mainstream churches are complicating it. We can divorce our spouses only if they committed adultery and do not repent. And even if you divorce your spouse for that reason you cannot remarry unless your divorced spouse dies.

 

[jasoncran]

I hope you don't mind me butting in.

Divorce and remarriage are not complicated but mainstream churches are complicating it. We can divorce our spouses only if they committed adultery and do not repent. And even if you divorce your spouse for that reason you cannot remarry unless your divorced spouse dies.

if that's the truth, then i guess my wife and i must be in adultery since her last husband beat her and also attempted to kill her. her own daughter stop the beating by taking a shotgun and pointing at him and loading it. :D

and that guy married another and still stalks my wife at times. :mad

 

[shad]

if that's the truth, then i guess my wife and i must be in adultery since her last husband beat her and also attempted to kill her. her own daughter stop the beating by taking a shotgun and pointing at him and loading it. :D

and that guy married another and still stalks my wife at times. :mad

According to the Bible, she could divorce him because he married another(fornication), but she still cannot remarry until he dies. She can remarry to him when he repents. But she already married to you, all she can do is ask Him for forgiveness. You both need to ask for forgiveness of your transgression.

 

[jasoncran]

if that's the truth, then i guess my wife and i must be in adultery since her last husband beat her and also attempted to kill her. her own daughter stop the beating by taking a shotgun and pointing at him and loading it. :D

and that guy married another and still stalks my wife at times. :mad

According to the Bible, she could divorce him because he married another(fornication), but she still cannot remarry until he dies. She can remarry to him when he repents. But she already married to you, all she can do is ask Him for forgiveness. You both need to ask for forgiveness of your transgression.

remarry a man that did this?
beat my wife till she passed out
raped a kid friend of her daughters
attempted to molest both her daughters

men like that dont change overnight, and often when they do, i dont suggest remmariage unless the lord is really , really wanting that. as that is healing and trust issue.



i am glad that you are no where near the truth on that.

they have been divorce since 94, and he hasnt change , he stalked her and me in 2001and all the way to 06. so you tell me?

 

[shad]

remarry a man that did this?

Is English your second language? You don't seem to read too well.

I said if he repents.
You faith seems so secular. Your divorce and remarriage are the same concept as the secular world as so many others.
It seems like you are not interested in following the Bible.

take care.

 

[jasoncran]

remarry a man that did this?

Is English your second language? You don't seem to read too well.

I said if he repents.
You faith seems so secular. Your divorce and remarriage are the same concept as the secular world as so many others.

i read well, thanks,

yeah even the jw tell a woman to divorce a man like that, and if you read in the corinthians correctly. the verse talks about divorce says that if the unbeliever depart seek not a wife or husband for the lord has called them to peace, hmmmm

and seek not a spouse .

but then theres this if one cant contain tis better to marry then burn

some like me, to be single and alone is hard.

and you love to plant burdens on others that you seem to ignore yourself case in point that check you owe to wmtipton.

 

[Caroline H]

if that's the truth, then i guess my wife and i must be in adultery since her last husband beat her and also attempted to kill her. her own daughter stop the beating by taking a shotgun and pointing at him and loading it. :D

and that guy married another and still stalks my wife at times. :mad

According to the Bible, she could divorce him because he married another(fornication), but she still cannot remarry until he dies. She can remarry to him when he repents. But she already married to you, all she can do is ask Him for forgiveness. You both need to ask for forgiveness of your transgression.

Shad, I honestly think that it isn't that complicated either, but your interpretation complicates it. In Biblical times, a woman needed a man to provide security for her as she couldn't do that herself. Now, if a women, such as Jason's wife, were beaten like that and her life threatened would God demand that she stay with him? No. So if she left him you say she could not remarry, right? But she would then become a burden to society because she cannot provide for herself. These things were written in the Bible to make sure that people, men, did not divorce frivolously. In cases like Jason's wife can we not take our understanding of God's character and say that He is more merciful than to condemn her to a life of loneliness and hardship just because her sick and twisted husband tried to murder her? I think that making judgment calls like the one you made are just not our business, let God show those people what His will for them is, and trust that they can discern it by His spirit instead of our accusations.

 

[jasoncran]

thanks caroline. you have no clue to how that ex damaged my step-daughter on men, she cant trust them at times as she has made bad decisions on them.
sadly. she doesnt want to marry for she fears that stuff. i feel for her.

 

[shad]

Suit your self, I said my piece.

BTW, there are many many unbiblical divorces and remarriages like yours in churches. It is corruption.

take care.

 

[Guest]

I hope you don't mind me butting in.

Divorce and remarriage are not complicated but mainstream churches are complicating it. We can divorce our spouses only if they committed adultery and do not repent. And even if you divorce your spouse for that reason you cannot remarry unless your divorced spouse dies.

Do you really want to do this here, shad ?
Let me know if you want to, chap.....Im ready when you are.

That said youre conclusion is complete tripe and entirely lacking in understanding of Jesus' intent which was NOT to list out the reasons for divorce in the exceptions.
Sorry about your luck.

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[Guest]

I hope you don't mind me butting in.

Divorce and remarriage are not complicated but mainstream churches are complicating it. We can divorce our spouses only if they committed adultery and do not repent. And even if you divorce your spouse for that reason you cannot remarry unless your divorced spouse dies.

if that's the truth, then i guess my wife and i must be in adultery since her last husband beat her and also attempted to kill her. her own daughter stop the beating by taking a shotgun and pointing at him and loading it. :D

and that guy married another and still stalks my wife at times. :mad

Just ignore him. Its just one more area of doctrine where shad is clueless.

 

[Guest]

According to the Bible, she could divorce him because he married another(fornication), but she still cannot remarry until he dies. She can remarry to him when he repents. But she already married to you, all she can do is ask Him for forgiveness. You both need to ask for forgiveness of your transgression.

So contradictory.
So she CANT remarry until he dies.....BUT you admit that she IS remarried....ugh...its no wonder you dont comprehend...

 

[Guest]

remarry a man that did this?

Is English your second language? You don't seem to read too well.

I said if he repents.
You faith seems so secular. Your divorce and remarriage are the same concept as the secular world as so many others.
It seems like you are not interested in following the Bible.

take care.

No, gent, we're just not interested in your perversion of scripture and youre insistence that everyone else obey your twisted interpretation of scripture while you have clearly exempted yourself from doing the same.....or Id have my check by now....

 

[jasoncran]

I hope you don't mind me butting in.

Divorce and remarriage are not complicated but mainstream churches are complicating it. We can divorce our spouses only if they committed adultery and do not repent. And even if you divorce your spouse for that reason you cannot remarry unless your divorced spouse dies.

if that's the truth, then i guess my wife and i must be in adultery since her last husband beat her and also attempted to kill her. her own daughter stop the beating by taking a shotgun and pointing at him and loading it. :D

and that guy married another and still stalks my wife at times. :mad

Just ignore him. Its just one more area of doctrine where shad is clueless.

best that i do.

 

[Guest]

best that i do.

Ive been in a debate elsewhere that has been going on for months now where this guy tries to twist the intent of the exception clauses to make them say something they dont.
The exceptions are used by both sides....both EXTREMES, I should say....to create godless error that doesnt line up with the whole, nor does it agree with Gods character overall.
Its VERY easy to see in the ENTIRE bible that God is VERY protective over the wife....but these godless doctrines end up doing to her EXACTLY what the hardhearted Jews did in the OT but making even an innocent wife unable to remarry if her dog husband beats, rapes, cheats and then ditches her.

The Jews perverted the intent of the writ that was actually given to REGULATE the abuse by the husband of his wife,....they twisted it into a permission or instruction TO divorce for this 'uncleanness' when that wasnt the intent at all.....then in doing so all they had to do was say that it ONLY applied to the man and then refuse to give her the writ when they cast her out.
This basically meant that this woman was UNABLE to REmarry as Moses had SAID she could do in Deut 24....pretty vile, huh ?
So now shes out on the street and a number of these woman would have had to have turned to other 'means' to survive, not excluding prostitution.

And now we have the shads of the world doing the EXACT same thing to the wife.
Her husband beats, rapes and cheats...the ditches here and then shad tells her sorry, you cant remarry...even tho YOU have been a PeRFECT and INNOCENT wife.

I find it VERY telling when a mans doctrine does to an innocent woman EXACTLY what the hardhearted Jews did to her.
;)

 

[shad]

Shad, I honestly think that it isn't that complicated either, but your interpretation complicates it.

There is always way if you want to be biblical without being burden to society. Most of us have family and we can go to them for help.

My daughter came to us when she got involved with violent man and had a baby. We took them in on a condition of abide by Jesus' teachings. She agreed because she would do anything to raise her baby peacefully. It is just so sad that most of us who live in States don't seem to care about their children after they become 18 and kick them out. And children cannot go to their family for help when they need. The Bible says instead of asking for help to church, the family should help their own needy family. This is another washed away practice.

 

[Caroline H]

Jason's wife was not 18, she is much older than that and may not have had parent's to go to.

So would you forbid your daughter from marrying then if a good man asked her?

 

[jasoncran]

shad my wife was my age when that happened, and when i met her she had very little as that idiot stalked her so bad that she sold her house just to get away from him. she was living in an 18 foot rv trailer when i married her.

her dad did fix that for her, and if my step-daughter was beaten( i have two) she could stay with me as i have the room. both of them have kids and i have one that i have told she may move her till she got a place as one her exes did abuse her and threaten her.

 

[shad]

Jason's wife was not 18, she is much older than that and may not have had parent's to go to.

How do you know? Most of us does. There is very rare that dont have any family. You dont have to be 18 to ask for help and helping needy.

So would you forbid your daughter from marrying then if a good man asked her?

I did not tell her not to remarry, in fact I told her since she is so young she should remarry. But she learned about divorce and remarriage from the Bible and told me she will not remarry until she die unless he dies.

 

[Caroline H]

I did not tell her not to remarry, in fact I told her since she is so young she should remarry. But she learned about divorce and remarriage from the Bible and told me she will not remarry until she die unless he dies.

I don't understand. Why would you encourage your daughter to remarry when you yourself feel that it is adultery?