Vince's Boring Thesis on Divorce

[Guest]

But she learned about divorce and remarriage from the Bible and told me she will not remarry until she die unless he dies.

Which isnt what scripture intends to say as a whole.

For starters...
A little background on divorce
Evidences of divorce and remarriage in the Church
What is ''one flesh'' and what is it that God joins together
"Remain Unmarried or reconcile†vs "not in bondage"
"Let not man Put Asunder" vs "let the unbeliever depart"
Does the bible permit putting away a spouse for abuse?
1 Corinthians 7 Study
Unmarried†- 1 Corinthians 7
"Bound by Law" (Romans 7, 1 Cor 7:39)
What is putting away/divorce-When is a marriage dissolved

 

[shad]

I did not tell her not to remarry, in fact I told her since she is so young she should remarry. But she learned about divorce and remarriage from the Bible and told me she will not remarry until she die unless he dies.

I don't understand. Why would you encourage your daughter to remarry when you yourself feel that it is adultery?

I was a very new Christian when she came to us and I did not know anything about divorce and remarriage. My daughter opened my eyes in this matter. She is a very faithful Christian now.

 

[Guest]

I did not tell her not to remarry, in fact I told her since she is so young she should remarry. But she learned about divorce and remarriage from the Bible and told me she will not remarry until she die unless he dies.

I don't understand. Why would you encourage your daughter to remarry when you yourself feel that it is adultery?

A very good question and one which exposes some of these false doctrines because it shows the inconsistencies.
I think there is a major 'teacher' out there who does the same thing....he says remarriage is adultery, but if youre remarried you dont have to divorce.
Someones doctrine isnt firing on all 8 cylinders....

 

[Guest]

[I was a very new Christian when she came to us and I did not know anything about divorce and remarriage. My daughter opened my eyes in this matter. She is a very faithful Christian now.

The problem is that your view is based on a VERY superficial view of scripture.
Sort of like Hyper-predestination types who say that man is completely without a will because God is sovereign.
They look at some VERY BASIC data and draw conclusions on a brief study of those passages but dont spend enough REAL time in study of the ENTIRE bible to understand how their pet passage are actually harmonized with the REST of the data.
And its why they get buried in a debate on the topic...because those who DO put the time in with Gods word know precisely where to expose them, on what doctrinal points they are clearly oblivious.

And its precisely the same with your daughters views....and apparently yours. Any REAL student of scripture is going to nail you on every point you present and make a complete mockery of your views.

As I said, Im completely willing and ready to debate MDR with you, Shad.

 

[jasoncran]

shad caroline is aware that my wife is 14yrs older then me.

 

[shad]

shad caroline is aware that my wife is 14yrs older then me.

So?

 

[shad]

It does not matter how old they are. When family member is in trouble they should be able to go to their family for help no matter how old they are.

 

[jasoncran]

It does not matter how old they are. When family member is in trouble they should be able to go to their family for help no matter how old they are.

some parents arent able to help nor care to help.

that is what make this more complicated shad, as you judged my wife.

her dad did help but she had to beg her mom to let her have that trailer and when she sold it, her mom wanted that money. we had to sell it as we couldnt fix it nor afford to store it when we moved.

her mom loves money above all things. her dad isnt able to help if something happened, her daughters could but at the time they were out of state and not in a position to help.

 

[shad]

It does not matter how old they are. When family member is in trouble they should be able to go to their family for help no matter how old they are.

some parents arent able to help nor care to help.

That is another excuse. They can but they won't. They are not used to the idea living with grown children without good reason. They won't because their lifestyle is set to such a high standard. They have to sacrifice a lot if they welcome their grown children to live in their homes.

Helping your troubled family is a very biblical practice and loving.

 

[Guest]

That is another excuse. They can but they won't. They are not used to the idea living with grown children without good reason. They won't because their lifestyle is set to such a high standard. They have to sacrifice a lot if they welcome their grown children to live in their homes.

Helping your troubled family is a very biblical practice and loving.

You are really good at pretending like you KNOW everyone elses circumstances, chap.....you dont.
So you are in NO position to make bogus claims like 'they can but they wont'....sorry...but you arent qualified to make that call, gent....even if YOU think you are.

 

[jasoncran]

It does not matter how old they are. When family member is in trouble they should be able to go to their family for help no matter how old they are.

some parents arent able to help nor care to help.

That is another excuse. They can but they won't. They are not used to the idea living with grown children without good reason. They won't because their lifestyle is set to such a high standard. They have to sacrifice a lot if they welcome their grown children to live in their homes.

Helping your troubled family is a very biblical practice and loving.

please, i know them you dont.
and shad ever heard of dead beat dads? hmm or dead beat parents, so high all the time,or in prison.


her parents arent saved. they are sinners, her dad i could count on.
you fail to see this , as well went i went to war, i found out who would help my wife, i found out few did :verysad that is how i know. she got more assistance from my coworkers then her own blood.thats the way it is for some.

 

[jasoncran]

add i will add that her youngest did help her when she stayed with her.

 

[Vince]

Much of the confusion in the previous posts comes from the mistaken belief that putting away your wife and divorcing her are the same thing. They are not. This belief is based on a major mistranslational error in the King James version, which is continued in the New King James Version. There is also the incorrect belief that if two people get divorced, they are still married; however, they are not.

 

[shad]

add i will add that her youngest did help her when she stayed with her.

Why not live together instead of transgressing Jesus' commandment? Of course these are all retrospect.

 

[shad]

Much of the confusion in the previous posts comes from the mistaken belief that putting away your wife and divorcing her are the same thing. They are not. This belief is based on a major mistranslational error in the King James version, which is continued in the New King James Version. There is also the incorrect belief that if two people get divorced, they are still married; however, they are not.

What is your point?

It seems to me that you are making it more complicated than it actually is with your explanations.

 

[shad]

please, i know them you dont.
and shad ever heard of dead beat dads? hmm or dead beat parents, so high all the time,or in prison.

I know them very well. We are all paying the consequences for not heeding the Jesus' warnings and commandments. We made all complicated situations all by ourselves.

her parents arent saved. they are sinners, her dad i could count on.
you fail to see this , as well went i went to war, i found out who would help my wife, i found out few did :verysad that is how i know. she got more assistance from my coworkers then her own blood.thats the way it is for some.

What I am saying is that the churches are not educating their people to do what is the right thing to do as Christians. We get married without knowing the partners too well. We get married mostly following our feelings and emotions. It is so different from the Bible times. The churches dont get involved in their people's personal lives when they have problems. They are all so superficial. Their lives and the problems are no different from the secular world. It is just chaos.

 

[shad]

BTW, my daughter was promiscuous, smoking and drug addict, lying, cheating and stealing, you name it. She was that way because her parents(us) were not following Jesus' teachings and commandments.

She was typical rebellious youngster, her parents should pay the consequences for not raising her right by helping her with whatever it takes. Most of all, that's the biblical thing to do.

 

[Guest]

Much of the confusion in the previous posts comes from the mistaken belief that putting away your wife and divorcing her are the same thing. They are not. This belief is based on a major mistranslational error in the King James version, which is continued in the New King James Version. There is also the incorrect belief that if two people get divorced, they are still married; however, they are not.

I dont really agree that divorce and putting away arent the same....it depends on the passage and the context.
I do agree that once divorced that they ARE DIVORCED...Deut 24 is proof of this fact.

I also apologize for the outcome of this thread.
Regrettably the false doctrinal views some are inevitably going to show up when any divorce thread is created, even if the OP has some other points his trying to make.
It makes it impossible for believers to just have a discussion about it because some feel the overwhelming need to bring their condemnation into the discussion....

 

[Guest]

add i will add that her youngest did help her when she stayed with her.

Why not live together instead of transgressing Jesus' commandment? Of course these are all retrospect.

Why not instead have people who dont understand Jesus commandments, and certainly DONT OBEY THEM AS THEY INSIST THAT OTHERS DO but instead IGNORE them, simply stop pretending to be teachers when they arent.

You blew your entire argument out of the water when you said your DAUGHTER basically taught you about divorce and remarriage. Clearly YOU didnt do the study and so you arent qualified to teach anyone in the matter.

Some of US, however, have many THOUSANDS of hours of actual study in the matter of marriage, divorce and remarriage from Gods word.

;)

 

[jasoncran]

add i will add that her youngest did help her when she stayed with her.

Why not live together instead of transgressing Jesus' commandment? Of course these are all retrospect.

this was during the marriage to me, when she was divorced from her ex she had house till six yrs later, she was harrased so badly by him that she moved. and sold the house.

it was so bad that the maniac, would place nails in the driveway and night and would do it almost every day. even with the videos of them there and there wasnt enough to arrest him , but she didnt doubt who did it. he told her that if he cant live there with her , no one would.