Wanted: Dates in Christian history

[JDM]

In all my years of number crunching you are the very first person who has ever told me the use of Pi is restricted.

Personally, I think it is, dare I say it, a ridiculous idea that I can't Pi a cube.

I wonder where you got this "Rule for Pi"

As I said, I have never been advised to limit my workings with Pi.

Phew!
JDM

 

[Free]

In all my years of number crunching you are the very first person who has ever told me the use of Pi within a restricted exercise.

Personally, I think it is, dare I say it, a ridiculous idea that I can't Pi a cube.

I wonder where you got this "Rule for Pi"

As I said, I have never been advised to limit my workings with Pi.

Phew!
JDM

No, not "phew," not when you are wrong about something and don't know any better or haven't been corrected before. If you are wrong, then it is never "phew."

http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Pi.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pi

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_formulae_involving_π

There are many advanced formulae involving Pi but it absolutely incorrect to use it in the basic calculation for area of a rectangle. That would make all mathematical formulae meaningless.

 

[jasoncran]

sorry i dont think the christian version of the gemetria is wise.
AND no the candlelabrum are menorahs.

and dont symbolise the church at all. i dont recall any menorah being symbol being a church.

 

[tim-from-pa]

Take the measurement of 426 feet, signifying Mount Sinai, where the Lord God came down. And 426 x 70 and /Pi and /18 and square root 6 times x 1.000e+11
it is equivalent to the Precession of the Equinoxes of 25,793.44983 years x 12 months x 29,693.44982 years x 12 months.

It's statements like this that bother me. There's no hint or explanation where these numbers came from. I can take the measurements of my house, calculate something with PI and a few other numbers and come up with the same results showing the procession of the equinoxes. There has to be some analogy, e.g. a geometric picture that justifies using related numbers.

For example, the Great Pyramid's perimeter divided by twice the altitude is PI. That's not just pulling numbers because in geometry the perimeter relates to circumference, and height relates to the radius of a circle. Thus, it gives the mathematician the suggestion or "idea" to divide the perimeter by twice the altitude in the same manner the circumference is divided by twice the radius.

However, from all the posts here, it looks to me like numbers are being pulled out of the air without rhyme or reason, without any relationship or hint to use them.

 

[Vic C.]

Since I began my research one month less than 25 years ago, I was looking for the date of the Crucifixion. It was a Victorian book which gave me my 'starter' and as such I have never changed my mind from the date of Friday, April 7, AD30.

You may choose to believe He was crucified on a Friday, but He wasn't. You don't even need fancy math to do it either. All you need is the Bible and some simple math like, how in the world can anyone conclude that three nights and three days can be found using a Friday crucifixion?

I'll let Tim have the honors of explaining how we arrive at a Wed. crucifixion. :yes

 

[tim-from-pa]

You may choose to believe He was crucified on a Friday, but He wasn't. You don't even need fancy math to do it either. All you need is the Bible and some simple math like, how in the world can anyone conclude that three nights and three days can be found using a Friday crucifixion?

I'll let Tim have the honors of explaining how we arrive at a Wed. crucifixion. :yes

Thanks, VIc. But first I want to know what would possess someone to multiply and divide by the types of number in the above statement I quoted. For example, the square root of six? Why not 2? or 11?

 

[Nick]

So, um...what's the point?

What's the point of manipulating numbers to say anything?

All we need is the cross, which our eyes should be fixed on.

Please help me here, but how does it further the Kingdom, whether the calculation is 2.64326565 or 7.4265535?

 

[JDM]

I could not agree more in respect of the Cross.

But should we not think of ways to show non believers that there is a Rhyme & Reason for the date of the Cross?

Obviously, showing a Christian measurements for maybe the ministry periods of Jesus has little effect. Actually, it seems to have no effect whatsoever.

But I am pretty sure it does not "shipwreck their Faith"

JDM

 

[for_his_glory]

Hi JDM and welcome to the forums

Act 1:7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

Some dates in history can become knowledgeable teachings, but yet at the same time have no bearing on those things which are more important like the life, death and resurrection of Christ and Gods call to salvation.

Unless we are students of physics none of this makes sense to us. It's like many who try and put a date and time to Christ return by studying scripture to support their theories as most theories are carnal of a logical mind, but the word of God being literal and Spiritual has already said no one can know the exact day, but we are also called to be watchman so that time does not take us as a thief in the night if we are not prepared for Christ return.

 

[JDM]

Mmm... the last Christian mathematician I contacted was a Professor in Canada, and his thoughts were centered on my measurements being construed as "arbitrary".

Once an academic thinks along those lines, I am wasting my time in pursuing further communications.

As yet I have not confronted a non Christian academic, but I suppose I should try just to see what their argument would be against my ministry time periods.

JDM

PS
Once upon a time.

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The destruction of Space Shuttle Columbia Flight STS-107.
The Space Shuttle Columbia was launched on January 16, 2003 at 9.39 am CST. The space shuttle was on a 16 day science research mission in Earth orbit and performed experiments in space. It was the 113th mission. Columbia was the oldest space shuttle in the fleet of four. It was the first space shuttle to be launched in Earth orbit in 1981. The crew of Space Shuttle Columbia consisted of 7 astronauts including Ilan Ramon, the first Israeli in space. At 9 am Eastern time, all vehicle data was lost at 207,135 feet above the Earth when the Space Shuttle Columbia broke up over north central Texas when at a speed of Mach 18.3. It was about 16 minutes prior to its scheduled landing at Florida's Kennedy Space Center. The Space Shuttle Columbia disaster happend on Saturday, February 1, 2003 at 9 am EST.
It was back in late November 2002 that a ‘dark cloud’ came into my mind and told me there would be a ‘Ring of Fire’ on February 1, 2003. Anyway, I told my family to expect something terrible. Thus the ‘Ring of Fire’ was in fact the orbiter, the Space Shuttle Columbia which became on fire and was destroyed at 9 am EST February 1, 2003.
At 8:59:32 am EST commander Rick Husband acknowledged a call from Mission Control and was cutoff in mid-transmission, never to be heard from again. During this same period, sensors in the left wing recorded rising heat. The shuttle remained on course but was working harder than it ever had before to stay that way. About a minute later the space shuttle broke up, killing the seven astronauts and raining debris over Texas and Louisiana. Within an hour NASA was executing its disaster plan, which included forming the Columbia Accident Investigation Board.
So was this just a coincidence?

 

[Free]

But should we not think of ways to show non believers that there is a Rhyme & Reason for the date of the Cross?

The problem is that there is no rhyme or reason to what you are doing, so it makes Christianity and the Cross look foolish.

You will not get an exact date of the crucifixion. No one knows it. There is debate about the date for Jesus' birth which puts off every date thereafter.

 

[Free]

Mmm... the last Christian mathematician I contacted was a Professor in Canada, and his thoughts were centered on my measurements being construed as "arbitrary".

Once an academic thinks along those lines, I am wasting my time in pursuing further communications.

lol You cannot be serious. We have all stated that your measurements are arbitrary. It does not take a mathematician to tell you that. But one did, and you dismiss him as though his opinion does not count? :eeeekkk

As yet I have not confronted a non Christian academic, but I suppose I should try just to see what their argument would be against my ministry time periods.

And what will you do when they say the same thing?

So was this just a coincidence?

If that is what happened, yes.

 

[Aardverk]

....... should we not think of ways to show non believers that there is a Rhyme & Reason for the date of the Cross?.....

As a very open minded non-believer, I'm sorry to tell you that I agree entirely with your detractors in this thread. It certainly appears to me that you are plucking 'suitable' figures out of the air. You need to explain the precise reason for using each figure.

Actually it was the second time I was 'given' a date telepathically. ......... So was this just a coincidence?

Yes!

 

[Mike]

I could not agree more in respect of the Cross.

But should we not think of ways to show non believers that there is a Rhyme & Reason for the date of the Cross?

Obviously, showing a Christian measurements for maybe the ministry periods of Jesus has little effect. Actually, it seems to have no effect whatsoever.

But I am pretty sure it does not "shipwreck their Faith"

JDM

If this is really your motivation for all your studies, I believe you are putting too much weight on our role in changing hearts. He has Given His Revelation to the world. We are called to show it His Love and reflect His Light; not to make a case for His Truth using worldly evidence. He alone can change hearts. I believe it's good to reason with people who don't believe in the authenticity of the Word, but His Word stands on its own. I don't believe He Gave it to us in the form of a puzzle that needs to be decoded.

Keep the main thing the main thing, and allow the Holy Spirit to work in their hearts. I really believe you are getting way off track in obsessing over the numbers.

 

[Sinthesis]

I bet you could do the same thing with dates in islamic history.:shocked!

 

[JDM]

The only occasion I wanted to check Islam is when 9/11 happened but I won't bore you with this.

JDM

PS
I am primarily interested in showing the Cross, the rest is froth and bubbles.

 

[Nick]

I could not agree more in respect of the Cross.

But should we not think of ways to show non believers that there is a Rhyme & Reason for the date of the Cross?

Obviously, showing a Christian measurements for maybe the ministry periods of Jesus has little effect. Actually, it seems to have no effect whatsoever.

But I am pretty sure it does not "shipwreck their Faith"

JDM

But here's the thing - all these numbers are meaningless to most people.

As Mike said, the Bible stands on its own, with the power of the Holy Spirit, not our fancy arithmetic.

 

[tim-from-pa]

JDM:

I believe your heart is definitely in the right place, and you latched onto the idea that God uses numbers, but the derivation of those numbers are questionable (or as that professor said, arbitrary)--- the analogy is someone who understands that the bible is God's word, but then they put their own spin or interpretation to it or maybe even other religious interpretations (such as new ager people who use the bible to 'prove' reincarnation).

Tell ya what, if you have not already done so, then read some of the books by Bonnie Gaunt. She's on the same frequency as you are in this, but she at least has a reason for doing the math operations she does. I consider her borderline IMO but she does have enough substance that she may be right. Perhaps if you took the approach she does the message you're trying to convey would be more substantial.

Here's one example of a book of hers (a link to amazon):

Jesus Christ the Number of His Name: The Amazing Number Code Found in the Bible

Blessings to you.

 

[JDM]

Its 8am and I have just gone on line.

I want to thank you for the link, which I will open later.

There is absolutely no doubt about it that my presentation is dreadful.

My son, not has a small graphic design studio he is also a brilliant camera man in making those short video clips. He has told me for a long time, "Dad you are not presenting your work correctly." Well I knew I must doing things badly when he came to film his father and he never let me see one frame!

Last weekend my son was testing the latest camera for a company, but I only knew this when he phoned me from the abbey church of Mount Saint Michael on the Brittany coast. This made be look again at the abbey church measure-wise and so I found something new to make note of. You don't build a mountain top 11th century church without first deciding what and why you will use very specific measurements, for there are "messages in measurements" but try telling that to a 21st century Christian.

Anyway, thanks again for your comments and the link.

JDM

 

[Fedusenko]

@ JDM

Check out Michael Rood for date placement in the bible. I think his approach might be more well received. I believe watching the Jonah Code would be right up your alley. Good luck!