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Was Christ capable of Sin?

Consecrated Life said:
For me I'll stand with Paul and with John Newton :
1Ti 1:15
This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.
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Paul was referring to his pre-conversion status.
He didn't keep persecuting the church after he was converted ftom darkness to light.
Consecrated Life said:
At the age of 82, Newton said, "My memory is nearly gone, but I remember two things: that I am a great sinner — and that Christ is a great Savior!"

As for yourself , you have said you can name no Christian living or dead who thinks what you think.
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You will need to show me that, as I don't agree with it at all.
Consecrated Life said:
Which comes as no surprise to me by the way
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Here are some verses by the apostles that say what I say...
“Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.For he that is dead is freed from sin.” (Rom. 6:6-7)
"Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness." (Rom 6:18)
"But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life." (Rom 6:22)

"There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit." (Rom 8:1)
"Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame." (1 Cor 15:34)

"For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him." (2 Cor 5:21)

"Finally, brethren, farewell. Be perfect, be of good comfort, be of one mind, live in peace; and the God of love and peace shall be with you." (2 Cor 13:11)

"And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others." (Eph 2:1-3)

"Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in anything ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you." (Phil 3:15)

"Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:" (Col 1:28)
"Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let everyone that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity." (2 Tim 2:19)
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works." (2 Tim 3:16-17)
"But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul." (Heb 10:39)

If that isn't enough from the other teachers and adherents of the doctrine which is according to Godliness, I have more.
 
Consecrated Life said:
For me I'll stand with Paul and with John Newton :
1Ti 1:15
This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.
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Hopeful 2 said:
Paul was referring to his pre-conversion status.
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Past, present , & future tense is taught in grammar school English class.
That you think " I am " represents past tense shows that Spiritual discernment is not the only thing you have much to learn in .
 
Consecrated Life said:
" I am" is present tense.
1Ti 1:15
This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

Any 5th grade teacher can verify that for you.
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As for 1 Tim 1:15, Paul was the worst of those saved by God.
I will bet there have been even worse since then.
 
Caps are mine...

Hebrews 2:17 For this reason he had to be made like them,[k] FULLY HUMAN IN EVERY WAY, in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, and that he might make atonement for the sins of the people. 18 Because he himself suffered when he was tempted, he is able to help those who are being tempted.

If Jesus was God that destroys the atonement makes him a fraud and the cross a hoax.

The bible says he was tempted IN EVERY WAY AND THAT HE KNEW TEMPTATION. It also says that, "God cannot be tempted and therefore cannot sin."

If Jesus was God that means he could not have sinned anyway. (Back to the only Trinitarian answer of TWO NATURES) That makes the Word of God totally contradictory - makes Jesus a fraud because he never would have to overcome sin since he also being God couldn't have been tempted to sin anyway ultimately making him a fraud and the cross a complete hoax incapable of atoning for sin - think about it.
 
Muckah said:
Caps are mine...

Hebrews 2:17 For this reason he had to be made like them,[k] FULLY HUMAN IN EVERY WAY, in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, and that he might make atonement for the sins of the people. 18 Because he himself suffered when he was tempted, he is able to help those who are being tempted.

If Jesus was God that destroys the atonement makes him a fraud and the cross a hoax.

The bible says he was tempted IN EVERY WAY AND THAT HE KNEW TEMPTATION. It also says that, "God cannot be tempted and therefore cannot sin."

If Jesus was God that means he could not have sinned anyway. (Back to the only Trinitarian answer of TWO NATURES) That makes the Word of God totally contradictory - makes Jesus a fraud because he never would have to overcome sin since he also being God couldn't have been tempted to sin anyway ultimately making him a fraud and the cross a complete hoax incapable of atoning for sin - think about it.
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Hey All,
Jesus has two natures, as you mentioned; born of Mary (human nature), and conceived by the Holy Spirit (God nature). They are not 50%-50% existent. They exist, both fully and equally, at the same time; 100%-100%. So you are right in that Jesus is fully human. But He is also fully God. I know that's hard to fully understand. From our point of view, it does not sound logical. But God is beyond human logic.

1 John 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Jesus is the example of this verse. Notice how it is written:
" . . . Does not sin commit sin . . . " (I modernized it.)

The human nature of Jesus could be tempted. Jesus was tempted.(Matt 4) The temptations failed. But not because the temptations were not effective. The same root causes of the temptations Satan used befell Adam and Eve; who also knew no sin. Plus they had been effective on every human being up to Satan's encounter with Jesus. Jesus was able to resist because his other equal nature, a nature Adam and Eve did not possess, could not sin. Why? The seed of God remained in Jesus. Thus the second part of the verse:

". . . Cannot sin . . . ":

Because Jesus was born of God and, according to John's gospel, "was God." Jesus, who was God, became flesh, and dwelt among us. (John 1:1, 14)

James 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:

Satan failed to make the temptations effective enough to cause Jesus humanity to sin. Jesus, also being God, could not sin. Jesus knew how He was to die, knew that the world was already His, and only bowed to the Father.

2 Corinthians 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

Keep walking everybody.
May God bless,
Taz
 
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If Jesus could not sin - He's a fraud and the cross is a hoax! I will never believe in the two natures which is a Trinitarian cop-out.

Trinity teaches Jesus is co-equal to the God the Father in knowledge, power, and authority. However, Jesus said 'the Father is greater'. He said he doesn't know the day and hour of his return. He said he can do NOTHING on his own. Over and over again, Jesus acknowledges his subordination to the Father. How do Trinitarians overcome these clear contradictions of co-equality? The TWO NATURES - Trinity's most outstanding cop-out. That's precisely how over a hundred Bishops of Rome over the course of about 2-3 hundred years resolved these arguments. There was no overcoming the following contradictions any other way other than claiming Jesus has two natures. Over and over again Jesus showed his subordination to the Father - who has no equals!

His subordination to God -
The Father being greater -
Not knowing the day or hour of his return -
Not being able to do anything on his own -

About 40% of Christians now say trinity is bogus.
 
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