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The caveat to the difference between His temptation and ours is that HIS was without sin, period.
In that we agree.
???Like, but not to that extent. They are not equal matters of temptation.
Good ol' James. He's quite right too.James 1:13
Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
That is simply an assertion which goes against scripture. You know it, I'm sure:But of course since you do not consider Jesus to be The Spirit of God Himself in flesh, you will insist that His temptation is like yours in every way, when in fact it was not.
Here's the scripture that it goes against:
Hebrews 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
That's the Spirit of God talking, and you'd better listen.
That's the Spirit of God talking above there. Why aren't you listening?They comparisons from any of us to God Himself in flesh will never compute.
Certainly, that it true.God is greater than the sum of all things created.
There is no comparison to be had, us to Him.
It is not MY insistence, smaller. It is the very, very plain passages of scripture that do the insisting.As stated from the start, your insistence is to make God in Christ have internal sin thoughts.
That did not transpire, period.
That, of course depends on whether Jesus was the Creator or not.No, it's only you vainly trying to anthropomorphize The Creator.
If what Hebrews and other passages say is correct, and I believe they are, the Jesus COULD NOT have been the sinless, un-temptable, God who cannot be tempted with evil. (James 1 says so).
I really don't know what you're talking about. How else could He be tempted?God in Christ being 'fully human' is not the question. Fully human did NOT involve 'internal sin thoughts' in the case of Him.
If He was God, then you are, of course, correct. But that is the point under question here, in reality.Fully human in the regard of God in Christ fully 'excludes' any form of sin in Thought, Word or Deed, period.
Scripture is the only thing that we have to guide us in the matter, and they are unequivocally against your POV. He COULD HAVE SINNED. But He didn't. Hebrews cannot be doubted on this point. Not to mention Matthew and Luke.
Not at all. I've shown you perfectly clearly, the ways in which the gospels are made valueless by your insistence. And those are very BIG, and very SERIOUS matters, which you cannot even begin to gainsay.Which, as I've said, makes the whole of the gospels incomprehensible on this subject.
And that is just a disconnected leap to uphold your own thoughts in these matters.
If you're right, then the whole lot falls flat on its face, and becomes both meaningless and valueless.
So I have to conclude that you aren't right, until such time as you can show me from scripture that what I'm saying about the Lord's temptations is mistaken.
Making unsupported assertions is not the way to do it. Scripture, only scripture will do. So bring forth your strong arguments.
Assertion.The temptations of Christ were NOT internal, period.
Care to explain what that means?Satan had 'nothing' In Him.
You mean, that they didn't tempt Him, as the gospels say they did?They had nothing 'in Him' either.
The caveat of being without sin remains correct.You can not equate these matters. The caveat of being without sin remains. There is no comparison to be had.
The inability to be tempted is completely mistaken, as I'm sure you know.
Now you're in a total tangle. God sacrificed Himself to Himself? And DIDN'T WANT to sacrifice Himself to Himself?He really wanted to go to the cross in Gethsemane, so He didn't say anything like 'Not my will, but thine be done'.
If it was within Gods Own Will for that to transpire, then it would have transpired, but it wasn't. God WILLED to sacrifice Himself.
You're making no sense at all, now. Haven't you noticed that there is a separation right there? 'Not MY will, but THINE be done'.
Therefore God's will wasn't Jesus' will at that point. He says so very clearly. Are you listening?
I don't know what you're talking about.The appearance of God within His Own Creation is a fact. We can not equate anything in His Regards to ourselves.
How can you say such a thing about my intentions? I am merely stating precisely what scripture says - no more, no less.The intentions you have is merely to make the Creator the created.
The Incarnation is a unique matter indeed.
If what you're saying is correct, then that statement is totally wrong. It should be: God did not suffer HIMSELF to see corruption.
God did not suffer His Holy One to see corruption.
But He didn't say so: He said, He would not suffer JESUS to see corruption.
Therefore, you have stated the matter incorrectly.
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