Was Jesus a pacifist or a militant?

[gingercat]

BTW, jg

This is not trinity thread. You are way off topic. There are plenty of trinity threads, why don't you join them instead of personally attacking me.

 

[jgredline]

Ok cool
Do you believe in the deity of Christ?

I believe He is son of God and Lamb of God. We need Him for eternal salvation.

And I have been evangelizing since I became Christian. The New Testament is showing clearly our mission for God.

BTW, Christans who insist on the trinity don't seem to know exactly what we have to be doing as Jesus' followers. It is so strange.

By your answer, it sounds like you don't believe that God the father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are are all in the same / all equals. Am I right in my assumption. Please be clear.

I said very clearly. Are you looking for a loop hole to ostracize me too? Trinitarians are trained to ostracize non-trinitaians. No, I am not trinitarian if that's what you are asking. sheesh.

Then there is no sense in going further with this debate. Since you deny the deity of Christ then your beliefs are of a cult.. In fact it sounds like a Jesus only cult. You really need to read and study the bible. You may want to start with the Gospel of John. I pray that God will reveal himself in a way that is very real and visible to you.

 

[jgredline]

BTW, jg

This is not trinity thread. You are way off topic. There are plenty of trinity threads, why don't you join them instead of personally attacking me.

First of I am not attacking you, I am defending the faith.
You say Jesus was/is a pacifist. If you belive in Jesus only then you would be correct, but if you believe in the trinity, then you would be and are wrong because God killed many people. Read the bible. I could place so many verses in here as to people dying at the hand of the Triune God.
So this is right on topic.

 

[gingercat]

BTW, jg

This is not trinity thread. You are way off topic. There are plenty of trinity threads, why don't you join them instead of personally attacking me.

First of I am not attacking you, I am defending the faith.
You say Jesus was/is a pacifist. If you belive in Jesus only then you would be correct, but if you believe in the trinity, then you would be and are wrong because God killed many people. Read the bible. I could place so many verses in here as to people dying at the hand of the Triune God.
So this is right on topic.

I am also defending my faith. Aren't we all?

If you read the Bible in the whole context you would not agree with the Christians joining the military. God dealt differently in OT times with His people. It is His job to do what ever takes to judge people and not ours.

The Bible is progressive. I urge you to ask God to help you to understand Him more clearly.

BTW, there are more trinity threads. Why don't you go there if you feel so strongly about it? I have been voicing mine plenty times and I will not repeat with you. Those non-trinitarians represent my opinion about trinity too. They are much better than me to protest:D

 

[gingercat]

your beliefs are of a cult..

This is what I mean by arrogance of trinitarians. I pray that you have heart of seeking the truth. This is nothing but hostility and pridful attitude. It is not of God. That's what RCC did to their opposers.

 

[Alannah]

RCC?

 

[gingercat]

RCC is Roman Catholick Church

 

[Alannah]

ok Thanks,

Ginger Just remember no matter what view we hold, or how we represent ourselves we are human, we are not perfect, we are all hypocritcal.... And many of us have forgotten the power of gentleness. While it's not ok to be all those things, we are human.....

 

[jgredline]

RCC is Roman Catholick Church

Are you familiar with the apostles creed

 

[gingercat]

RCC is Roman Catholick Church

Are you familiar with the apostles creed

I have been reading the Bible but I don't have much knowledge of churches' theology terms. And I am not interested knowing them. Thanks.

 

[gingercat]

ok Thanks,

Ginger Just remember no matter what view we hold, or how we represent ourselves we are human, we are not perfect, we are all hypocritcal.... And many of us have forgotten the power of gentleness. While it's not ok to be all those things, we are human.....

Alan,

It is not ok to repeat the same mistakes over and over, especially wicked ones. I refuse to follow this kind of Christianity. I hope you have open mind and heart to see what is going on in the Christian communities. It is not so pretty.

 

[jgredline]

RCC is Roman Catholick Church

Are you familiar with the apostles creed

I have been reading the Bible but I don't have much knowledge of churches' theology terms. And I am not interested knowing them. Thanks.

Gingercat
What religion are you anyway?
Catholic, JV, Mormon, Prodestan, ?? Don't say Chrstian that could mean alot of things.

 

[Rick the holypig]

Ok cool
Do you believe in the deity of Christ?

I believe He is son of God and Lamb of God. We need Him for eternal salvation.

And I have been evangelizing since I became Christian. The New Testament is showing clearly our mission for God.

BTW, Christans who insist on the trinity don't seem to know exactly what we have to be doing as Jesus' followers. It is so strange.

Here is proff that Jesus is GOD right from the Gospel of John. I even added the Greek so everyone will know that I speak the truth about what the verses say.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

In = en
the beginning = arche
was = en
the Word, = logos
and = kai
the Word = logos
was = en
with = pros
God = theos
and = kai
the Word = logos
was = en
GOD. = theos

Rev 19:13 Same writer & same time as John 1:1

And he [was] clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

his = autos
name = onoma
is called = kaleo
The Word = logos
of God = theos

Hebrews 1:8

But unto the Son [he saith], Thy throne, O God, [is] for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness [is] the sceptre of thy kingdom.

But = de
unto = pros
the Son = huios
[he saith], Thy = sou (the he who is speaking has to be God see context)
throne, = thronos
O God, = theos


END OF STORY. either believe the Bible or die in your Jesus Only & JW cults

 

[gingercat]

I believe the Bible. I just don't believe your twisted interpretation. And this is not a trinity thread. Get over with it.

 

[Rick the holypig]

RCC is Roman Catholick Church

right from RC doctrine

Jesus is God

"And the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us" wrote St. John (1:14). So, the Second Person of the Holy Trinity assumed human nature. Jesus Christ is the Son of God, the Divine Word of whom John wrote, "In the beginning was the Word; the Word was with God, and the Word was God" (John 1:1).

http://www.ewtn.com/faith/teachings/JESUMENU.HTM

 

[jgredline]

Ok cool
Do you believe in the deity of Christ?

I believe He is son of God and Lamb of God. We need Him for eternal salvation.

And I have been evangelizing since I became Christian. The New Testament is showing clearly our mission for God.

BTW, Christans who insist on the trinity don't seem to know exactly what we have to be doing as Jesus' followers. It is so strange.

Here is proff that Jesus is GOD right from the Gospel of John. I even added the Greek so everyone will know that I speak the truth about what the verses say.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

In = en
the beginning = arche
was = en
the Word, = logos
and = kai
the Word = logos
was = en
with = pros
God = theos
and = kai
the Word = logos
was = en
GOD. = theos

Rev 19:13 Same writer & same time as John 1:1

And he [was] clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

his = autos
name = onoma
is called = kaleo
The Word = logos
of God = theos

Hebrews 1:8

But unto the Son [he saith], Thy throne, O God, [is] for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness [is] the sceptre of thy kingdom.

But = de
unto = pros
the Son = huios
[he saith], Thy = sou (the he who is speaking has to be God see context)
throne, = thronos
O God, = theos


END OF STORY. either believe the Bible or die in your Jesus Only & JW cults

Great stuff
Its good to see other people on this forum read the bible

 

[gingercat]

RCC is Roman Catholick Church

Are you familiar with the apostles creed

I have been reading the Bible but I don't have much knowledge of churches' theology terms. And I am not interested knowing them. Thanks.

Gingercat
What religion are you anyway?
Catholic, JV, Mormon, Prodestan, ?? Don't say Chrstian that could mean alot of things.

I am Jesus' follower and that makes me a Christian. I will not let you tell me who I am. You are not my boss. Jesus is my boss. sorry.

It seems that if you believe trinity you are saved and nothing else matters in mainstream churches. It is so absurd.

 

[jgredline]

RCC is Roman Catholick Church

Are you familiar with the apostles creed

I have been reading the Bible but I don't have much knowledge of churches' theology terms. And I am not interested knowing them. Thanks.

Gingercat
What religion are you anyway?
Catholic, JV, Mormon, Prodestan, ?? Don't say Chrstian that could mean alot of things.

I am Jesus' follower and that makes me a Christian. I will not let you tell me who I am. You are not my boss. Jesus is my boss. sorry.

It seems that if you believe trinity you are saved and nothing else matters in mainstream churches. It is so absurd.

OK. I see, your part of the JESUS ONLY CULT movement.
I feel really bad for you.

 

[Vic C.]

No I am not. But I know that they are ostrcized by most churches because of many biblical things they are practicing. They are pacifist like Jesus. They don't have any history of killing anyone using Jesus or God's name.

They murdered Scripture with their uninspired translation of the Bible. They claim that seven "experts" in Hebrew and Greek tranlsted their Bible, when in fact it was only five... and they weren't experts at all. They have no paid scholars in their organization.

You may want to take some time and do some research on their history. Also, they are not what ot who they claim to be either. They aren't pacifists at all. For instance, if a family mrmber leaves the Watchtower, they are literally cut off. Family members are told to cut all ties. If you are a JW and the rest of your family isn't, you are to have nothing to do with them. I know from first-hand experience. I had a cousin who was one and barely spoke to the family for years. She finally found her way out and joined a Baptist congregation.

I don't know about you, but blood is thicker than water.

 

[gingercat]

Alan,

Do you see those people? They are typical churchgoers. That's how they treat other Christians who don't agree with them.