Was Jesus a pacifist or a militant?

[Rick the holypig]

Oh no look at Jesus killing billions of people at his 2nd coming - NO jesus is not panzyfist

Rev 19:14 And the armies which are in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white {and} clean, were following Him on white horses.
Rev 19:15 From His mouth comes a sharp sword, so that with it He may strike down the nations, and He will rule them with a rod of iron; and He treads the wine press of the fierce wrath of God, the Almighty.
Rev 19:16 And on His robe and on His thigh He has a name written, "KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS."
Rev 19:17 Then I saw an angel standing in the sun, and he cried out with a loud voice, saying to all the birds which fly in midheaven, "Come, assemble for the great supper of God,
Rev 19:18 so that you may eat the flesh of kings and the flesh of commanders and the flesh of mighty men and the flesh of horses and of those who sit on them and the flesh of all men, both free men and slaves, and small and great."
Rev 19:19 And I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies assembled to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army.
Rev 19:20 And the beast was seized, and with him the false prophet who performed the signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image; these two were thrown alive into the lake of fire which burns with brimstone.
Rev 19:21 And the rest were killed with the sword which came from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse, and all the birds were filled with their flesh.

It also says that when he comes, he will kll so many people that their blood will form a river of blood for 200 miles up to the horse's backs - No Jesus will make war as the world has never seen war just to pay tit back for killing his children.

if you are still blind enough to think that Jesus is a pacafist then you either

1) have no eyes
2) you don't believe the Bible!
3) all of the above

& as we all know you can't be a christian & not believe every word in the Bible.

 

[Rick the holypig]

Alan,

Do you see those people? They are typical churchgoers. That's how they treat other Christians who don't agree with them.

yah I'm evil because I speak the truth about what the Bible says.

BTW, you are the one that came on a christian site to vomit up your non-christian heresy so you are the real mean one. All I have done is told you what your own church believes because you don't know what the RCC teaches. it is they that condem you, it is scripture that condems you not I.

 

[jgredline]

Alan,

Do you see those people? They are typical churchgoers. That's how they treat other Christians who don't agree with them.

No Ginger
Your almost correct. Typical Church goers who read teir bibles and study them.
Church goers who will challenge your heretical teachings

 

[gingercat]

No I am not. But I know that they are ostrcized by most churches because of many biblical things they are practicing. They are pacifist like Jesus. They don't have any history of killing anyone using Jesus or God's name.

They murdered Scripture with their uninspired translation of the Bible. They claim that seven "experts" in Hebrew and Greek tranlsted their Bible, when in fact it was only five... and they weren't experts at all. They have no paid scholars in their organization.

You may want to take some time and do some research on their history. Also, they are not what ot who they claim to be either. They aren't pacifists at all. For instance, if a family mrmber leaves the Watchtower, they are literally cut off. Family members are told to cut all ties. If you are a JW and the rest of your family isn't, you are to have nothing to do with them. I know from first-hand experience. I had a cousin who was one and barely spoke to the family for years. She finally found her way out and joined a Baptist congregation.

I don't know about you, but blood is thicker than water.

Vic,

We should not give false testimony. I have been following Jesus with all my might since I became Christian and God has been giving me discernment of what is evil and not. From my experience with JW they are true followers. Their fruit is proof. Do you take a look at what is really going on in the Christian community including your church? I already told you I have attended many denominations and was deeply invoved with many churches. I have witnessed much obvious hypocricy and I don't understand why so many churchgoers are blind to it.

Well, I guess I should really leave the forum. I am really getting tired this kind of talk.

 

[Rick the holypig]

No I am not. But I know that they are ostrcized by most churches because of many biblical things they are practicing. They are pacifist like Jesus. They don't have any history of killing anyone using Jesus or God's name.

They murdered Scripture with their uninspired translation of the Bible. They claim that seven "experts" in Hebrew and Greek tranlsted their Bible, when in fact it was only five... and they weren't experts at all. They have no paid scholars in their organization.

You may want to take some time and do some research on their history. Also, they are not what ot who they claim to be either. They aren't pacifists at all. For instance, if a family mrmber leaves the Watchtower, they are literally cut off. Family members are told to cut all ties. If you are a JW and the rest of your family isn't, you are to have nothing to do with them. I know from first-hand experience. I had a cousin who was one and barely spoke to the family for years. She finally found her way out and joined a Baptist congregation.

I don't know about you, but blood is thicker than water.

Vic,

We should not give false testimony. I have been following Jesus with all my might since I became Christian and God has been giving me discernment of what is evil and not. From my experience with JW they are true followers. Their fruit is proof. Do you take a look at what is really going on in the Christian community including your church? I already told you I have attended many denominations and was deeply invoved with many churches. I have witnessed much obvious hypocricy and I don't understand why so many churchgoers are blind to it.

Well, I guess I should really leave the forum. I am really getting tired this kind of talk.

so in reality you are a fast food christian or a Oprahite - you make up what ever you want to believe & call it christian. if you don't like something then you just cut it out of your bible. you are not a christian. you may be religious, you may be New Age but to be a REAL christian you must accept Jesus by faith theur grace & believe rightly. 90% of the New Testament was written to explain to the false believers where they are wrong & what is right christianity. Paul says if you believe any other gospel then the one he taught then you are a child of satan not of God.

I will pray that you one day see the light but as for now, you are still in darkness.

 

[gingercat]

Vic,

I also don't understand why you keep let them talk the way they are doing to me. Is that because they agree with your trinity theology too?

 

[jgredline]

No I am not. But I know that they are ostrcized by most churches because of many biblical things they are practicing. They are pacifist like Jesus. They don't have any history of killing anyone using Jesus or God's name.

They murdered Scripture with their uninspired translation of the Bible. They claim that seven "experts" in Hebrew and Greek tranlsted their Bible, when in fact it was only five... and they weren't experts at all. They have no paid scholars in their organization.

You may want to take some time and do some research on their history. Also, they are not what ot who they claim to be either. They aren't pacifists at all. For instance, if a family mrmber leaves the Watchtower, they are literally cut off. Family members are told to cut all ties. If you are a JW and the rest of your family isn't, you are to have nothing to do with them. I know from first-hand experience. I had a cousin who was one and barely spoke to the family for years. She finally found her way out and joined a Baptist congregation.

I don't know about you, but blood is thicker than water.

Vic,

We should not give false testimony. I have been following Jesus with all my might since I became Christian and God has been giving me discernment of what is evil and not. From my experience with JW they are true followers. Their fruit is proof. Do you take a look at what is really going on in the Christian community including your church? I already told you I have attended many denominations and was deeply invoved with many churches. I have witnessed much obvious hypocricy and I don't understand why so many churchgoers are blind to it.

Well, I guess I should really leave the forum. I am really getting tired this kind of talk.

Gingercat
It is you who is giving false testimony. Your discernment is coming from the father of lies. Thats in the bible by the way. Read John

 

[gingercat]

Do we have any moderators here? Is this kind of talk ok in this forum?

 

[Rick the holypig]

Ghandi was a pacifist and didnt compromise either. Taking opposite sides is conflic, not violent conflict. Being a pacifist doesnt mean you let people walk on you, it means that you dont injure folks intentionally.

Ghandi was a hypocrite who let his wife die when simple medicine would have cured her but when he got sick from the same thing, he took the medicine.

 

[jgredline]

Do we have any moderators here? Is this kind of talk ok in this forum?

Gingercat
This is a debate to see If Jesus is a pacifist. The Deity of Christ goes to the very center of this debate. If you knew the bible you would know that. The truth is painful much of the time.

 

[gingercat]

Do we have any moderators here? Is this kind of talk ok in this forum?

Gingercat
This is a debate to see If Jesus is a pacifist. The Deity of Christ goes to the very center of this debate. If you knew the bible you would know that. The truth is painful much of the time.

The truth is that you are being a hypocrit by supporting military and you are angry I am telling the truth. Jesus never killed nor harmed anyone. Jesus tells us to love our enemies. Are you in the military? Is that why you are so hostile about it?

 

[Rick the holypig]

Do we have any moderators here? Is this kind of talk ok in this forum?

gingercat - i'm not trying to pick on you, I just don't want you to go to hell for having wrong beliefs. See REAL LOVE (AGAPE - LOVE) is willing to say things & have people misunderstand you in an attempt to heal them of their sickness. your wrong beliefs are a sickness that will condom you to hell.

You said you believe in the Bible but when I show you what the bible says about Jesus & the Trinity (even put the greek there so you knew i wasn't twisting what it said) you reject it. do you believe the Bible or not. which is more true:

1) the Bible

2) your beliefs

If your beliefs don't line up with what the Bible says then you must be wrong. & proved to you that John called Jesus God (Jn 1:1), God called jesus GOD (hebrews) by you choose to reject the WORD OF GOD.

maybe the words of Thomas will convince you.

Jhn 20:27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust [it] into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
Jhn 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
Jhn 20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed [are] they that have not seen, and [yet] have believed.

If Thomas was wrong in calling Jesus HIS GOD then Jesus should have rebuked him but he said Thomas was Blessed. so either Jesus thought that Thomas was right or Jesus was a bad teacher for not correcting his disciple.[/b]

 

[Vic C.]

Vic,

We should not give false testimony. I have been following Jesus with all my might since I became Christian and God has been giving me discernment of what is evil and not. From my experience with JW they are true followers. Their fruit is proof. Do you take a look at what is really going on in the Christian community including your church? I already told you I have attended many denominations and was deeply invoved with many churches. I have witnessed much obvious hypocricy and I don't understand why so many churchgoers are blind to it.

No no, I am not bearing false testimony. I wouldn't have posted it if it were false. I'll glady debate you on JW teachings. Like I said, my cousin was invloved, so I don't think calling me a liar is right. THAT is bearing False Witness.

My church is The Body of Christ, His ekklesia. Don't confuse that with the congregation I attend. Besides, I know what goes on in my 'church'. I am on the counsil and am at every business meeting.

Also, I read them rebuking your teaching. So far, I don't see it as a personal attack. It has nothing to do with what we believe. If someone thinks a teaching is heretical, I WANT to defend it!

 

[gingercat]

I feel sorry for you vic. May God be with you and open your heart and eyes to the whole truth.

 

[gingercat]

I had it. I am out of here. Good bye.

 

[Klee shay]

BTW, you are the one that came on a christian site to vomit up your non-christian heresy so you are the real mean one.

If this is not a personal attack, I don't know what is Rick. Can I call you Rick? I have disagreed with gingercat many times on these boards, but this comment above is purely mean spirited.

I see no true discipleship as Jesus taught us in the words contained above.

(edited to remove moderator implications used previously)

 

[lovely]

My attention was directed to this thread, and I would like to give a reminder to everyone.

First of all, If Christ is in us then we have the ability to speak in love no matter what the topic, or whom we are addressing. Our utmost goal should be to glorify God in our communication with others, especially when we want them to receive the truth in His Word. As I have read through, I see that some are engaging in digs that are not needed when responding. I am not highlighting any of them. I am asking that everyone look at their own posts, and ask the Lord if you answered in truth, and love. If you haven't them perhaps an apology is in order. By the same token, disagreement is not an attack when put forth in the proper tone. Christ would have us be humble, and not offensive, but loving and truthful. Truth can make some angry, or it can bring about repentance, but it doesn't need the help of human offense in order to accomplish this. I would encourage all believers to pray that God would have them speak that particular response before hitting the submit button.

Secondly, no one is to discuss a moderator's actions in an open thread. Please send a message privately if you would care to draw their attention to a particular thread, or post, or if you feel you are being treated in an unfair manner.

We all fail in these things from time to time, but if we continue to work together, and encourage one another in what is right, we can have a place where some will be able to hear the Word, and receive it by the working of the Holy Spirit's witness. In the same breath, I think it will also be a place where the truth is upheld in word, and deed by being defended in an honorable manner. The Lord bless you all as you post.

 

[jgredline]

Vic, perhaps you missed this one...

[quote="Rick the holypig":c68a3]BTW, you are the one that came on a christian site to vomit up your non-christian heresy so you are the real mean one.

If this is not a personal attack, I don't know what is Vic. I have disagreed with gingercat many times on these boards, but this comment above is purely mean spirited.

I realise that it must not be easy as a moderator to keep on top of all the issues at once, and you really do an admirable job on the whole. I see no true discipleship as Jesus taught us in the words contained above however. Do you?[/quote:c68a3]


Klee
While I am no moderator what I see is a hard truth.
What the Holy pig is being critical of are the heretical beliefs

 

[Klee shay]

Vic, perhaps you missed this one...

[quote="Rick the holypig":450d0]BTW, you are the one that came on a christian site to vomit up your non-christian heresy so you are the real mean one.

If this is not a personal attack, I don't know what is Vic. I have disagreed with gingercat many times on these boards, but this comment above is purely mean spirited.

I realise that it must not be easy as a moderator to keep on top of all the issues at once, and you really do an admirable job on the whole. I see no true discipleship as Jesus taught us in the words contained above however. Do you?

Klee
While I am no moderator what I see is a hard truth.
What the Holy pig is being critical of are the heretical beliefs[/quote:450d0]

"Vomit" it not a hard truth. It is a discriptive word designed to humiliate the person it was addressed to. Everyone has a right to join in any discussion and expect to be treated in a dignified manner; without being referred to as vomiting.

I'm sure if the shoe were on the other foot, you would not appreciate having your contributions being referred to as "vomit" either. Nor should you have to be exposed to such a discription. When we start using hard truths as an excuse to personally humiliate people, we do not represent the truth in Christ any more.

My apologies if I have undermined any moderator's position in raising my voice. I did not mean any personal implication on Vic's part. I should have made my comments to the member who thought it acceptable to treat another human being this way in the first place.

 

[Imagican]

I agree Klee and find it utterly disrespectful even for one that is NOT filled with the Spirit. As Paul stated in Corintians, 'this is behavior that is worse than those that DON'T believe'.

I find it amusing that there are those that will accuse others of following Satan simply because they do not agree with them. Where is this type of behavior taught in the scriptures? Where's the LOVE folks. And doesn't THIS type of 'fruit' bear witness of him who bear it?