Bible Study Was Jesus a Prophet?

[davidedward2014]

The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus. [Acts 3:13]

The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among you, from your fellow Israelites. You must listen to him. [Deuteronomy 18:15, 18]

And there came a fear on all: and they glorified God, saying, That a great prophet is risen up among us; and, That God hath visited his people. [Luke 7:16]

 

[Chopper]

Welcome to our blessed Forum davidedward2014. I am pleased that you found us all the way from Singapore. Indeed, Jesus was the greatest Prophet to ever occupy that title, thank you for that reminder.

 

[Who Me]

, has glorified his servant Jesus

Yes he was the final prophet, but much, much more than just a prophet.
He has many titles prophet being one of the lessor titles.

 

[JohnDB]

Jesus was/is/will be a Priest, Prophet, and King.

 

[for_his_glory]

davidedward2014 welcome to CF and glad you are here

Jesus was not only a prophet teacher, but also Messiah come to seek and save the lost. He is also the fulfillment of all prophecies as when He returns all things will be finished.

 

[Nathan12]

Was Jesus a Prophet?

Absolutely. Please note:
DEUTERONOMY 18
15 The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;
16 According to all that thou desiredst of the LORD thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not.
17 And the LORD said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken.
18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.

Even though the Jews knew this, and even though they asked John the Baptist if he was that Prophet (and he declined the honor) they refused to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ (the nation as a whole).

 

[ezra]

more of a high priest than prophet
Jesus the Great High Priest Hebrews 4
14 Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has ascended into heaven,[f] Jesus the Son of God, let us hold firmly to the faith we profess. 15 For we do not have a high priest who is unable to empathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are—yet he did not sin. 16 Let us then approach God’s throne of grace with confidence, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help us in our time of need.

 

[GodsGrace]

The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus. [Acts 3:13]

The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among you, from your fellow Israelites. You must listen to him. [Deuteronomy 18:15, 18]

And there came a fear on all: and they glorified God, saying, That a great prophet is risen up among us; and, That God hath visited his people. [Luke 7:16]

Hi D,
As JohnDB already stated, Jesus was a prophet, a priest and a King.

I would ask:
Who was the last O. T. prophet?
Jesus or John the Baptist?

 

[Nathan12]

more of a high priest than prophet

How about Prophet, High Priest, and King?
1. Christ's prophetic ministry was on earth at His first coming. That is what Moses prophesied.
2. Christ's high priestly ministry is in Heaven between His first and second comings.
3. Christ's kingly reign on earth is only after His second coming.

Jesus made many prophetic utterances which fully came to pass, but many are yet to be fulfilled. The Olivet Discourse is entirely prophetic. And He prophesied of His death, burial, and resurrection several times, but it simply did not register with His apostles. They would not believe that He rose from the dead even after two angels made that crystal clear.

 

[Nathan12]

I would ask:
Who was the last O. T. prophet?
Jesus or John the Baptist?

According to Christ it was John. Jesus came to earth primarily as King-Messiah and the Savior of the world.

 

[OzSpen]

Absolutely. Please note:
DEUTERONOMY 18
15 The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;
16 According to all that thou desiredst of the LORD thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not.
17 And the LORD said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken.
18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.

Even though the Jews knew this, and even though they asked John the Baptist if he was that Prophet (and he declined the honor) they refused to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ (the nation as a whole).

Nathan,

I don't know why you have highlighted vv 15, 18-19 as the context indicates this is not referring to Messiah, the Prophet:

15 Moses continued, “The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your fellow Israelites. You must listen to him. 16 For this is what you yourselves requested of the Lord your God when you were assembled at Mount Sinai. You said, ‘Don’t let us hear the voice of the Lord our God anymore or see this blazing fire, for we will die.’​

17 “Then the Lord said to me, ‘What they have said is right. 18 I will raise up a prophet like you from among their fellow Israelites. I will put my words in his mouth, and he will tell the people everything I command him. 19 I will personally deal with anyone who will not listen to the messages the prophet proclaims on my behalf. 20 But any prophet who falsely claims to speak in my name or who speaks in the name of another god must die'.​

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21 “But you may wonder, ‘How will we know whether or not a prophecy is from the Lord?’ 22 If the prophet speaks in the Lord’s name but his prediction does not happen or come true, you will know that the Lord did not give that message. That prophet has spoken without my authority and need not be feared (Deut 18:17-22 NLT).​

This was referring to a prophet the Israelites asked God for at Mt Sinai, a prophet like Moses. He was a prophet for the Israelites at that time because ... 'Don’t let us hear the voice of the Lord our God anymore or see this blazing fire, for we will die’ (v. 20).

It is not a reference to Jesus/Messiah, the Prophet, but a request by the Israelites for a Prophet from God at that time.

Oz

 

[GodsGrace]

According to Christ it was John. Jesus came to earth primarily as King-Messiah and the Savior of the world.

Nathan,
I can't reply to you right now.
I'm going through some kind of change and I don't have my thoughts straight.

Did Jesus come PRIMARILY as the savior of the world?
Or did He come primarily as God's oracle...His prophet?
A prophet is someone that speaks the words of God,,,
That states what God would state, and gives us God's message.

I take my thoughts all the way back to Genesis 3:15.

Paul put forth the idea of Jesus being the savior and, I believe, he created the concept of the atonement theory as penal substitution.
I'm not sure I believe in this anymore. I believe more in Cristus Victor, and the Moral Influence theory.

The above theories would get us into heaven.
The Penal Substitution theory teaches a wrathful God that requires a human sacrifice for Adam's sin.

I wonder what OzSpen thinks of this?
And you?

This link is short and sweet...
http://www.sdmorrison.org/7-theories-of-the-atonement-summarized/

(I couldn't find anything on the above on OzSpen 's web page)

 

[WIP]

According to Christ it was John. Jesus came to earth primarily as King-Messiah and the Savior of the world.

Can you show us where Scripture records Jesus declaring John to be the last profit. I don't recall that. I recall Him referring to him as the greatest profit among men but not the last. Thanks.

My thought was that John was older the Jesus, Jesus started His ministry after John, and Jesus lived longer than John in the flesh so that would make Jesus the last profit.

 

[GodsGrace]

Can you show us where Scripture records Jesus declaring John to be the last profit. I don't recall that. I recall Him referring to him as the greatest profit among men but not the last. Thanks.

My thought was that John was older the Jesus, Jesus started His ministry after John, and Jesus lived longer than John in the flesh so that would make Jesus the last profit.

The above is for Nathan and he'll answer.

I just want to say that not everything has to be written in the bible...
It's a commonly known fact that John the Baptist is the last O.T. prophet because after HIM, we Christians have Jesus and the N.T.

It can be debated, in fact if perhaps Jesus is the last O.T. prophet, since the N.T. does not begin until His death and resurrection.
Apparently you believe Jesus is the last prophet .... this cannot be wrong since it can be shown ; however, I don't think it says it anywhere in the N.T....

 

[WIP]

Apparently you believe Jesus is the last prophet .... this cannot be wrong since it can be shown ; however, I don't think it says it anywhere in the N.T....

No, I just never heard this question asked before and when I first heard the question, I deduced the answer could be Jesus. I am asking because I want to know where it is said that John is the last prophet.

There is another angle to this. If I understand correctly, by definition, a prophet is a person inspired by God to deliver a message from God. Someone who God speaks through. I can see the argument that Jesus would not be classified as a prophet because He is not bringing a message from God but is God in human flesh so He is delivering the message personally.

 

[Nathan12]

Did Jesus come PRIMARILY as the savior of the world? Or did He come primarily as God's oracle...His prophet?

The Bible is quite clear that Jesus came to this earth PRIMARILY as the Savior of the world. We can take a look at some key Scriptures:
But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost. And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins. (Mt 1:20,21)
Jesus (Yeshua or Yahshua) means God is our salvation. So Jesus = Savior.
The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world. (John 1:20)
Christ came as the Lamb of God to take away the sin of the world. See Isaiah 53. And this Lamb was prepared from before the foundation of the world (1 Pet 1:18-20).
This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief. (1 Tim 1:15)

I take my thoughts all the way back to Genesis 3:15.

And that simply confirms the above, since it points to the cross.

Paul put forth the idea of Jesus being the savior and, I believe, he created the concept of the atonement theory as penal substitution. I'm not sure I believe in this anymore.

I don't know who has been trying to mislead you, but Isaiah spoke of penal substitution long before Paul. Hundreds of years before Paul: But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. (Isa 53:5,6).

And without penal substitution, the cross of Christ would be meaningless. You would be required to pay for your own sins. People can come up with all kinds of new-fangled ideas (or ancient heresies) but the Word of the Lord stands forever.

 

[for_his_glory]

According to Christ it was John. Jesus came to earth primarily as King-Messiah and the Savior of the world.

Malachi was the last OT prophet as God was silent towards Israel for around 490 years before sending the first NT prophet, John the Baptist who came with the spirit of Elijah.

Malachi 4: 5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD: 6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

 

[GodsGrace]

No, I just never heard this question asked before and when I first heard the question, I deduced the answer could be Jesus. I am asking because I want to know where it is said that John is the last prophet.

There is another angle to this. If I understand correctly, by definition, a prophet is a person inspired by God to deliver a message from God. Someone who God speaks through. I can see the argument that Jesus would not be classified as a prophet because He is not bringing a message from God but is God in human flesh so He is delivering the message personally.

From my studies in theology (no PhD after my name!!) it is common belief that Jesus is a PROPHET, PRIES, KING.

He is our High Priest --- Hebrews
He is a King..... .... He comes from the lineage of David
He is a Prophet.... The words He spoke were from the Father...
John 12:49....John 7:16

Everything Jesus spoke was given to Him by the Father.
I DO understand your point about Him being God,,,but here on earth He was the Son of God,,,Jesus,,,The WORD of GOD sent to teach the word of God to us.

I like to believe that Jesus is the last O.T. prophet..but like I said, this could be debated and I don't think it's that important as to what one wants to believe. It could also very well be John the Baptist.

 

[GodsGrace]

Malachi was the last OT prophet as God was silent towards Israel for around 490 years before sending the first NT prophet, John the Baptist who came with the spirit of Elijah.

Malachi 4: 5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD: 6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

I'm not going to argue this with you FHG, but in theology it is said that John is the last Prophet.

When he came on the scene about 400 years did pass, but the Jews were still worshipping in a synagogue, Rabbi's still existed and the Temple was in Jerusalem....those that could still made a trip there, sacrifices were still in effect and Chrisitanity was no where in sight until Paul....

 

[GodsGrace]

The Bible is quite clear that Jesus came to this earth PRIMARILY as the Savior of the world. We can take a look at some key Scriptures:
But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost. And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins. (Mt 1:20,21)
Jesus (Yeshua or Yahshua) means God is our salvation. So Jesus = Savior.
The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world. (John 1:20)
Christ came as the Lamb of God to take away the sin of the world. See Isaiah 53. And this Lamb was prepared from before the foundation of the world (1 Pet 1:18-20).
This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief. (1 Tim 1:15)

And that simply confirms the above, since it points to the cross.

I don't know who has been trying to mislead you, but Isaiah spoke of penal substitution long before Paul. Hundreds of years before Paul: But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. (Isa 53:5,6).

And without penal substitution, the cross of Christ would be meaningless. You would be required to pay for your own sins. People can come up with all kinds of new-fangled ideas (or ancient heresies) but the Word of the Lord stands forever.

Fear not Nathan.
I've been on this forum over 3 years and no one here that knows me will fear for my well-being.

I know that Jesus is our Lord and Savior.
But He also came here to set up the Kingdom of God here on earth and this is being forgotten and I'd like it very much if we could go back a few years and get back to the fact that this is true.

Next time you read the N.T. mark down the times Jesus used the expression Born from Above, or Born Again...
Twice?
All the other times He spoke about salvation.

Then count the times He spoke about The Kingdom.

I didn't say I don't believe in ANY atonement theory...
I said I'm having my doubts about Penal Substitution...sounds like an angry God that requires sacrifice....