Was Jesus God in the flesh or a Created being?

[John the Baptist]

Well then, you are saying that Christ did not accept worship. You best read the last few verses of the Word of God/Christ! Oh' Ecclesiastes 3:14 also!

--John

If that is directed at my post....

You should learn the difference between "Homage" and "Worship"....

Worship God.....Give Christ Homage.....

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John here: Georges?? Your post??? Hay, first off, perhaps it was??? names mean nothing to me much :wink: No offence meant.
Jehovah Witnesses exclude the Word of worship & insert Homage in their created man made bible to Christ also. Are you either of that 'fold'.. or even Catholic it seem, teach that they fall down, kiss the Popes ring as an act of Homage? (not Worship?) perhaps you are in the antiChrist Rome 'fold' also? As in Revelation 17:1-5??
You see, really, I do not pay any attention to you, because you do not tell anything much about your person?? But, for others sake, I will pass on through this evil antiChrist 'recorded' stuff for others sake.
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Christ was very quick to correct the young man who called him good....Christ would have accepted Homage (as he did with Thomas), but he would have been appalled at worship....He/Jesus, recognized God is the only one to be worshipped.

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John again: There is a verse in Jeremiah 17:5 that seems to find a special meaning to a certain group of folk. It goes like this:
"Thus saith the Lord; CURSED be the man that [trusteth] in man, and [maketh flesh his arm], and [whose heart departeth from the Lord.]"

The J. Witnesses (as a fold) & the Catholics (as a fold) and your 'messages' have done this very thing above. The highlight of 'whose heart departeth from the Lord] as your person is not meant as so. But if you are teaching this as a 'Doctrine', I trust that Paul in Titus 3:9-11 has it right on VAIN target.

Bottom line of 'MAKETH FLESH HIS ARM'? J.W. & their satanic bible, Rome & their catechism, and you and your 'inspired' bible of James Strong concordance that you post up over & over again as telling me that this is the last WORD of & on Truth! You need to re/examine your constant supply of inspired Strong!

And, if you want an evaluation of yourself as a person as I see it? Just ask! So far after reading just a couple of the 'posts' from you, I see NOTHING that resembles the John 3:3-8 FIRST REQUIREMENT.
In fact, your posts are rated by me as cold & callus as J.W. & Rome's Love for the God/head! But, who knows what tomorrow will bring? :fadein:
But NO, there is NO LOVE seen by 'me' in your postings! 2 Corinthians 3:3
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PS: And mod's? I am saying this out of love for the person believing these sad messages, whom I believe is so far, lost!

 

[Georges]

oops..

 

[Georges]

Georges,
I thought you read the scriptures. I posted multilple scripture verses just from the book of Genesis that showed JEHOVAH ELOHIM translated LORD God as being the one and only God Almighty.

Solo...you are misinterpreting "Elohim"....that is the center of the problem...

This same one and only is prophesied by Isaiah as being Jesus Christ. Moses wrote of JEHOVAH ELOHIM, LORD God being the I AM, and he was told to tell the Israelites that that was who he was. Did you just overlook that post, or should I post it again?


Post it as many times as you like...as long as you don't understand what "Elohim" in relation to "El" and "Jehovah" are you are not going to get the proper translation...no matter how many times you post it...Dump what you think you know and relearn it...

You should do a study on the names and titles of JEHOVAH God so that you won't be so confused as to who he is. After that look into ADONI.

I know it very well......obviously better than you do since you are still trying to promote Jesus as Jehovah....

Since you are having trouble grasping this (as it is the third time I've posted this to you), it might behoove you to get someone to read it along side of you to help walk you through it...(no disrespect intended, it's just that this is easy to comprehend, but you are not getting it). Either you are not reading it carefully, or you are not reading it....you are making the same mistakes over and over again and until you get the proper terms (with definitions) correct, you will repeat again...

Please read this very carefully....


The Shema:

The Christian Interpretation:

Deu 6:4: Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD

The Jewish Interpretation:

Deu 6:4: Hear, Israel: Jehovah our Elohim is one Jehovah


The correct words with the correct definition change the whole interpretation.....

Except from a paper I'm composing regarding the false assumption that the Shema is proof of the trinity....

Terms for the names Jehovah, God, and God as defined in Judaism:

1. Jehovah: YHWH
Of the names of God in the Old Testament, that which occurs most frequently (6,823 times) is the so-called Tetragrammaton, Yhwh ( ), the distinctive personal name of the God of Israel. This name is commonly represented in modern translations by the form "Jehovah".
If the explanation of the form above given be the true one, the original pronunciation must have been Yahweh ( ).

Note (GWS): Jehovah (Yahweh, YHVH) is also known as El when YHVH is not to be used. Yahweh is the personal name of God that separates him from the Elohim (sons of God).


2. God: Elohim
….In the Levantine (ancient Middle East) pantheon, the Elohim are the sons of El the ancient of days (olam) assembled on the divine holy place, Mount Zephon (Jebel Aqra). This mountain, which lies in Syria, was regarded as a portal to its heavenly counterpart. The Elohim are ruled by the El called Hadad the most high (elyon) who was known among the common people as "the master" ("Baal"). Assembled on the holy mountain of heaven and ruled by one, the pantheon (Elohim) acts as one.

….A common name of God in the Hebrew Bible is Elohim (Hebrew: אלהים); as opposed to other names mentioned in this article, this name also describes gods of other religions.

….Despite the -im ending common to many plural nouns in Hebrew, the word Elohim, when referring to God is grammatically singular, and regularly takes a singular verb in the Hebrew Bible. It is argued that the word elohim had an origin in a plural grammatical form. When the Hebrew Bible uses elohim not in reference to God, it usually takes plural forms of the verb.

Note (GWS): The first paragraph is given in reference to terms related to the geographic area. It is employed here to show the hierarchy of the Elohim. The Elohim are the sons of El, and are ruled by him. The second paragraph affirms that God, when the verse is inferring singularity, is part of the Elohim (as the leader of the divine group). The third paragraph states that Elohim, when used in plurality, refers to a “divine group†(i.e. angels et al) and may include God as the verse needs.


3. God (Yahweh): EL
The word El ( ) appears in Hebrew, as an ordinary name of God. It is used in both the singular and plural, both for other gods and for the God of Israel.

Note (GWS): EL is Yahweh (YHVH) who is the Christian Jehovah. Yahweh (Jehovah) is part of the Elohim (the sons of El) as their ruler, yet the Elohim (the sons of El) are not Yahweh (Jehovah). To the ancient Israelites, it was forbidden to call God by his personal name. To prevent an accidental breaking of the 4th commandment, they called him by descriptive titles…one of these title names for YHVH is EL SHADDAI which translates as Almighty God. EL (Jehovah) SHADDAI (Almighty) would be used instead of YHVH SHADDAI.


4. One: Echad
(GWS) In regard to the verse above, One (Echad), doesn’t mean that Jehovah and Elohim are One, as in “one and the same†rather, One refers to “Number Oneâ€Â, the First in Order, the First in Hierarchy. In other words Jehovah is the Leader of the Elohim. This verse is a very important concept needed. Why? I believe it was because, the Israelites had just left polytheistic Egypt and were about to enter polytheistic Canaan. God needed to make it clear to the Israelites that He alone was El, and that he was above the heavenly entities (Elohim).

Note (GWS): To explain the relationship between Jehovah (Yahweh) and the Elohim, I will use the President and Congress of the United States in a rough but workable comparison. I do realize that the three branches of the government are a checks and balance system where one branch is no more powerful than the others, however in this example, I will submit that the President is the most powerful position and will use that in the example below. I will insert the Jewish terms next to the group names I’ll be using.

1. Elohim: The Congress of the USA including (but not necessarily) the President.
2. El: The title/position of President of the USA as leader of the Congress.
3. Jehovah (YHVH): The personal name of the President (ie George Bush).

The Scenario for the Jewish interpretation of Elohim is as follows:
George Bush (Jehovah) is the President (EL) of the United States of America. He, George Bush (Jehovah) is the leader (EL) over Congress (Elohim). George Bush (Jehovah) as leader (El) over Congress (Elohim) is actually part of the Congress (Elohim). That makes George Bush (Jehovah) part of the Congress (Elohim), yet separately its leader (EL).

Jehovah (God) is part of the Elohim (God, in Christian terms, Divine Ones in Judsaism) and rules over the Elohim. Who are the Elohim? Refer to the Strong’s definition listed above and you will find it includes a group of heavenly beings including angels…I submit that the Messiah as a divine being is among the group of Elohim.

Again, using the analogy of the President and Congress of the USA, I will include the Messiah as part of the Elohim (Godhead, sons of God). Jesus (Vice President) serves under EL (President) yet he, Jesus, is above the Elohim (Congress) in hierarchal order. However, as the Vice President is above the Congress, he is by definition part of the Congress. Just as the President is above Congress, yet he is by definition part of Congress. The Elohhim are one….in that they serve Jehovah, who is number 1 in it’s hierarchy.

In another bad but workable comparison, Deu 6:4 paraphrased states:

“Hear O USA, George Bush your Congressman, is the only George Bushâ€Â.

Or,

“Hear O USA, George Bush your Congressman is the Leaderâ€Â.

Where George Bush is the personal name of the Leader of Congress, and Congress consists of a group of individuals who are above the common man. The repeat of George Bush affirms that he alone is the number One man, and that there is only one George Bush.




The Problem: Interpretation of definitions

Trinitarian Christianity interprets “Elohim†as “God (Father), God (Son), God (HS)â€Â. A three in one Godhead. This meets their need of having the Old Testament prove that Jesus as God in their definition of the Godhead. However, none of the Hebrew definitions of “Elohim†as given by Strong’s Concordance include “God (Son) and God (HS)â€Â. Having said that, since Elohim is a plural of El, in the Trinitarian thought process, something must fill that void to make the trinity work in this verse. In other words they need to make a plural, single, yet plural. Thus, they add their own definition to “Elohimâ€Â, in other words, they disregard the definitions as given above, and add “God (Son) and God (HS)â€Â, instead of Jehovah, Messiah, and the Angel’a (divine ones). That works if you disregard Judaism and insert your own definition of “Elohim†to fit your cause.

Judaism on the other hand doesn’t consider the HS as a person so it can’t be included in the Elohim. The Messiah does however fit as part of the Elohim because he is a divine being. What are counted as Elohim in Judaism include divine beings such as the preincarnate Messiah, and the angels.


Now that it has been established that Elohim means God Family (or divine group) meaning a range of heavenly entities, we can establish who the Messiah is and that he is not Jehovah, but he is part of the Elohim (Heavenly Group).


It's all about the misinterpretation of terms....obviously.

 

[Georges]

Hi Gabby.....thanks for posting the scripture...but if you don't mind, I'll post the strong's definition for God and Father...
Doesn't mean that he is God the Father...

Hi Georges;
I guess that something about the word "EVERLASTING" bothers you. Or else you did not notice that the word was in the Scripture. You skipped right over it. It really is a key word here too.
No problem, I went and copied it for you:


1) perpetuity, for ever, continuing future

a) ancient (of past time)

b) for ever (of future time)

1) of continuous existence

c) for ever (of God's existence)


No problem with me Gabby....Jesus (The Word, The Memra (Hebrew)) was one of 7 items created before the world...as taught in Judaism...Actually, they don't say Jesus, but they recognize that Messiah was produced by Jehovah before the creation of the world...and that Messiah will be with Jehovah into eternity...

Georges. please pray and ask God about this doctrine.

Always do...maybe that's what led me from the theology many espouse here to where I currently am...

That is the only way to come to the truth. People sling verses back and forth, and call their pastors, and write letters to watchtower and it is just a waste of time.

Have no idea what you're getting at since I'm not a JW...don't really care what they think...

The first step in this doctrine, like any other is
1.) Want to know the truth, even if it means that what is now believed is proved wrong.

My sentiments exactly...and what led me away from being a Paulinst Trinitarian...to being a God Fearer...

2.) Desire to know the truth enough to ask God to teach it to you.

Always do....daily...it has led me to my present understanding...

3.) Seek the truth with a humble spirit. Wanting to know the truth for yourself and have a desire to lead others into the truth. (As opposed to wanting to win a Scripture slinging debate)

Always do....I'm not the one in attack mode....I'm constantly on the defensive...The truth is the upmost importance to me...being a sheeple and buying what some tells me is roses with out testing it, I cannot do.


For me to go any further in this subject I need to believe that the person I am discussing it with is interested is not only interested in finding truth, but wanting me to have a complete revelation of truth to the point that they will pray for me, asking God for revelation knowledge and wisdom for us both.

That's fine....and the way it should be...but in any debate, or discourse, it is in the best interest of both parties to be open minded, so the best result can be achieved...

Mat 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
:lilangel:

Lil....Truth is what I want the most....unlike those with blinders on....I will continue seeking the truth...

I once (for a very long time) believed and accepted what I was fed...that is until docrinal questions weren't answered that I felt should be answered.

I found the answers...(that make sense to me). Yes, they are different than most on the Forum....but they work.

 

[jgredline]

Gabbylittleangel

I have enjoyed your post. Keep up the good work!
Jg

 

[John the Baptist]

Gabbylittleangel

I have enjoyed your post. Keep up the good work!
Jg

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John here:
Me too, thanks!

I had been accused of not knowing the difference of..

Quote: "If that is directed at my post....

You should learn the difference between "Homage" and "Worship"....

Worship God.....Give Christ Homage....."

I know of no place in the Word of God where Homage is found? Yet, seeing that there is the Word of OBEISANCE. There are several places for perhaps a 'pure mind' wakeup call? See Genesis 37:7, Genesis 43:28, Exodus 18:7, 2 Chronicles 24:17, and a few others. Never do we find the root word other than 'shachah' having a number of meanings! But some pick and choose what they want, huh? Anyway, it means 'depress' 'prostrate' (in homage to royalty or God) 'bow self down' 'crouch' 'obeisance' 'do reverence' 'make to stoop' 'worship'

Notice that Homage & Obeisance are closely related. Yet, notice that there is STILL, NO place found in God's Word that I need to know of, that Christ [only] was to receive Homage!

But even then, notice that anyone using these many word's for the defining of ones 'hobby-horse' doctrine, WILL PICK and choose ones of their 'DESIRE'. Compare Genesis 4:7' 'desire'.

 

[Imagican]

Georges. I find it curiouse (hey a pun curiouse george)that you chose the definition that best suits your argument. You really need to stop doing that.

yeh...you're right....let me prove myself by using your definition....
my bad.....

Seriously...have you considered that Judaism may have it right? After all they've been at it a lot longer...and historically, they don't have the outer influences (ie Stocism, Gnosticism, Mystery, Paganism) that have influenced Pauline Christianity...

Keep in mind that those that were the leaders of Judaism in Jesus day could not apprehend Jesus' teachings for their father was not God Almigty. Jesus said the following to them. Note who they said their father was and who Jesus said their father was:

...Then said they [Pharisees] to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God. 42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. 43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. 44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. 45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not. John 8:41-45


Those who were leaders in Judaism of their day were said to be of father, the devil. They did not understand that Jesus is Jehovah God either.

That's kind of ironic that you would use this verse to show ONE THING, yet ignore what it states concerning the relationship between Christ and His Father. Note the bold.

Isaiah is perfectly clear who Jehovah is, and his prophesies fall directly on Jesus Christ as being Jehovah.

A voice is crying -- in a wilderness -- Prepare ye the way of Jehovah, Make straight in a desert a highway to our God. Isaiah 40:3 Young's Literal Translation

The gospels all point to Jesus as the one whom John the Baptist (the voice crying in the wilderness) is preparing and making the path straight for.

Solo, your adherence to a 'doctrine' has 'blinded you' to the 'truth'. John DID make way for God to dwell AMONG us through His Son. Christ stated OPENLY and without doubt that what He offered were NOT His Words, but GIVEN Him BY THE FATHER. Christ offered the 'truth' of God, thereby, attempted to 'reunite' the creation with the Creator; His Father=GOD.

He said, `I [am] a voice of one crying in the wilderness: Make straight the way of the Lord, as said Isaiah the prophet.' John 1:23 Young's Literal Translation

for this is he who was spoken of by Isaiah the prophet, saying, `A voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, straight make ye His paths.'
Matthew 3:3 Young's Literal Translation

as it hath been written in the scroll of the words of Isaiah the prophet, saying, `A voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, straight make ye His paths; Luke 3:4 Young's Literal Translation

`A voice of one calling in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, straight make ye his paths,' Mark 1:3 Young's Literal Translation

 

[Solo]

Georges. I find it curiouse (hey a pun curiouse george)that you chose the definition that best suits your argument. You really need to stop doing that.

yeh...you're right....let me prove myself by using your definition....
my bad.....

Seriously...have you considered that Judaism may have it right? After all they've been at it a lot longer...and historically, they don't have the outer influences (ie Stocism, Gnosticism, Mystery, Paganism) that have influenced Pauline Christianity...

Keep in mind that those that were the leaders of Judaism in Jesus day could not apprehend Jesus' teachings for their father was not God Almigty. Jesus said the following to them. Note who they said their father was and who Jesus said their father was:

...Then said they [Pharisees] to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God. 42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. 43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. 44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. 45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not. John 8:41-45


Those who were leaders in Judaism of their day were said to be of father, the devil. They did not understand that Jesus is Jehovah God either.

That's kind of ironic that you would use this verse to show ONE THING, yet ignore what it states concerning the relationship between Christ and His Father. Note the bold.

Isaiah is perfectly clear who Jehovah is, and his prophesies fall directly on Jesus Christ as being Jehovah.

A voice is crying -- in a wilderness -- Prepare ye the way of Jehovah, Make straight in a desert a highway to our God. Isaiah 40:3 Young's Literal Translation

The gospels all point to Jesus as the one whom John the Baptist (the voice crying in the wilderness) is preparing and making the path straight for.

Solo, your adherence to a 'doctrine' has 'blinded you' to the 'truth'. John DID make way for God to dwell AMONG us through His Son. Christ stated OPENLY and without doubt that what He offered were NOT His Words, but GIVEN Him BY THE FATHER. Christ offered the 'truth' of God, thereby, attempted to 'reunite' the creation with the Creator; His Father=GOD.

He said, `I [am] a voice of one crying in the wilderness: Make straight the way of the Lord, as said Isaiah the prophet.' John 1:23 Young's Literal Translation

for this is he who was spoken of by Isaiah the prophet, saying, `A voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, straight make ye His paths.'
Matthew 3:3 Young's Literal Translation

as it hath been written in the scroll of the words of Isaiah the prophet, saying, `A voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, straight make ye His paths; Luke 3:4 Young's Literal Translation

`A voice of one calling in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, straight make ye his paths,' Mark 1:3 Young's Literal Translation

Notice that the Pharisees that hold your postition that theirs is one Father, one God, but were told by Jesus that their father was the devil. Interesting, that is what the Spirit within me has revealed of those that do not know Jesus as God; they have not been born again, they are still children of satan. You really ought to submit to the Lordship of Jesus Christ, before its too late.

 

[Solo]

Now that it has been established that Elohim means God Family (or divine group) meaning a range of heavenly entities, we can establish who the Messiah is and that he is not Jehovah, but he is part of the Elohim (Heavenly Group).


It's all about the misinterpretation of terms....obviously.

I agree. You have been deceived, and you continue to misinterpret the terms.

None of your comments concerning Elohim and Jehovah align with the scriptures. It is a fantastic flim-flam provided by your father the devil to produce smoke and mirrors to deceive those that are deceivable. When you become born again, you will be given the indwelling of God himself to guide you into all truth. Until then, you are a lost soul still condemned.


Isaiah makes a prophesy that the one who crys in the wilderness prepares the way for the LORD, JEHOVAH, making straight the path for God, ELOHIM. The gospels make it clear that John the Baptist is the one crying in the wilderness preparing the way for JESUS CHRIST, LORD JEHOVAH, our GOD, ELOHIM.

The following verses of scripture were clear to John the Baptist as they describe LORD GOD, JEHOVAH ELOHIM. Each of the following verses describe JEHOVAH ELOHIM as the ONE GOD. Jesus is one of the personages of JEHOVAH ELOHIM, the ONE GOD.


Genesis 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God(JEHOVAH ELOHIM) made the earth and the heavens,

Genesis 2:5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God(JEHOVAH ELOHIM) had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God(JEHOVAH ELOHIM) formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Genesis 2:8 And the LORD God(JEHOVAH ELOHIM) planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

Genesis 2:9 And out of the ground made the LORD God(JEHOVAH ELOHIM) to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

Genesis 2:15 And the LORD God(JEHOVAH ELOHIM) took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.

Genesis 2:16 And the LORD God(JEHOVAH ELOHIM) commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

Genesis 2:18 And the LORD God(JEHOVAH ELOHIM) said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

Genesis 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God(JEHOVAH ELOHIM) formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

Genesis 2:21 And the LORD God(JEHOVAH ELOHIM) caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;

Genesis 2:22 And the rib, which the LORD God(JEHOVAH ELOHIM) had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.

Genesis 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God(JEHOVAH ELOHIM) had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

Genesis 3:8 And they heard the voice of the LORD God(JEHOVAH ELOHIM) walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God(JEHOVAH ELOHIM) amongst the trees of the garden.

Genesis 3:9 And the LORD God(JEHOVAH ELOHIM) called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?

Genesis 3:13 And the LORD God(JEHOVAH ELOHIM) said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.

Genesis 3:14 And the LORD God(JEHOVAH ELOHIM) said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

Genesis 3:21 Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God(JEHOVAH ELOHIM) make coats of skins, and clothed them.

Genesis 3:22 And the LORD God(JEHOVAH ELOHIM) said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

Genesis 3:23 Therefore the LORD God(JEHOVAH ELOHIM) sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.

Genesis 9:26 And he said, Blessed be the LORD God(JEHOVAH ELOHIM) of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.

Genesis 24:3 And I will make thee swear by the LORD(JEHOVAH), the God(ELOHIM) of heaven, and the God(ELOHIM) of the earth, that thou shalt not take a wife unto my son of the daughters of the Canaanites, among whom I dwell:

Genesis 24:7 The LORD God(JEHOVAH ELOHIM) of heaven, which took me from my father's house, and from the land of my kindred, and which spake unto me, and that sware unto me, saying, Unto thy seed will I give this land; he shall send his angel before thee, and thou shalt take a wife unto my son from thence.

Genesis 24:12 And he said, O LORD God(JEHOVAH ELOHIM) of my master Abraham, I pray thee, send me good speed this day, and shew kindness unto my master Abraham.

Genesis 24:27 And he said, Blessed be the LORD God(JEHOVAH ELOHIM) of my master Abraham, who hath not left destitute my master of his mercy and his truth: I being in the way, the LORD(JEHOVAH) led me to the house of my master's brethren.

Genesis 24:42 And I came this day unto the well, and said, O LORD God(JEHOVAH ELOHIM) of my master Abraham, if now thou do prosper my way which I go:

Genesis 24:48 And I bowed down my head, and worshipped the LORD(JEHOVAH), and blessed the LORD God(JEHOVAH ELOHIM) of my master Abraham, which had led me in the right way to take my master's brother's daughter unto his son.

Genesis 26:24 And the LORD(JEHOVAH) appeared unto him the same night, and said, I am the God(ELOHIM) of Abraham thy father: fear not, for I am with thee, and will bless thee, and multiply thy seed for my servant Abraham's sake.

Genesis 27:20 And Isaac said unto his son, How is it that thou hast found it so quickly, my son? And he said, Because the LORD(JEHOVAH) thy God(ELOHIM) brought it to me.

Genesis 27:28 Therefore God(ELOHIM) give thee of the dew of heaven, and the fatness of the earth, and plenty of corn and wine:

Genesis 28:4 And give thee the blessing of Abraham, to thee, and to thy seed with thee; that thou mayest inherit the land wherein thou art a stranger, which God(ELOHIM) gave unto Abraham.

Genesis 28:12 And he dreamed, and behold a ladder set up on the earth, and the top of it reached to heaven: and behold the angels of God(ELOHIM) ascending and descending on it.

Genesis 28:13 And, behold, the LORD(JEHOVAH) stood above it, and said, I am the LORD God(JEHOVAH ELOHIM) of Abraham thy father, and the God(ELOHIM) of Isaac: the land whereon thou liest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed;

Genesis 28:21 So that I come again to my father's house in peace; then shall the LORD(JEHOVAH) be my God(ELOHIM):

Following is the dialogue that Moses had with JEHOVAH ELOHIM, the I AM:

Exodus 3:13 And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?
Exodus 3:14 And God (ELOHIM) said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
Exodus 3:15 And God (ELOHIM) said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD God (JEHOVAH ELOHIM) of your fathers, the God (ELOHIM) of Abraham, the God (ELOHIM) of Isaac, and the God (ELOHIM) of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.
Exodus 3:16 Go, and gather the elders of Israel together, and say unto them, The LORD God (JEHOVAH ELOHIM)of your fathers, the God (ELOHIM) of Abraham, of Isaac, and of Jacob, appeared unto me, saying, I have surely visited you, and seen that which is done to you in Egypt:

Now the scripture that shows Isaiah prophesying that John the Baptist is preparing the way for the LORD (JEHOVAH), making the paths straight for God (ELOHIM). The same God defined throughout the entire OLD TESTAMENT is revealed in the gospels pointing to Jesus Christ. Jesus is the creator, not the created; Jesus is Jehovah, not an agent of God; Jesus is the First and the Last, not the somewhere in between.

 

[Gabbylittleangel]

Gabbylittleangel

I have enjoyed your post. Keep up the good work!
Jg

Gabbylittleangel

I have enjoyed your post. Keep up the good work!
Jg

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John here:
Me too, thanks!

Thanks guys!

Back Pride! Get back!!! :smt064

 

[Georges]

Now that it has been established that Elohim means God Family (or divine group) meaning a range of heavenly entities, we can establish who the Messiah is and that he is not Jehovah, but he is part of the Elohim (Heavenly Group).


It's all about the misinterpretation of terms....obviously.

I agree. You have been deceived, and you continue to misinterpret the terms.

None of your comments concerning Elohim and Jehovah align with the scriptures. It is a fantastic flim-flam provided by your father the devil to produce smoke and mirrors to deceive those that are deceivable. When you become born again, you will be given the indwelling of God himself to guide you into all truth. Until then, you are a lost soul still condemned.


Isaiah makes a prophesy that the one who crys in the wilderness prepares the way for the LORD, JEHOVAH, making straight the path for God, ELOHIM. The gospels make it clear that John the Baptist is the one crying in the wilderness preparing the way for JESUS CHRIST, LORD JEHOVAH, our GOD, ELOHIM.

The following verses of scripture were clear to John the Baptist as they describe LORD GOD, JEHOVAH ELOHIM. Each of the following verses describe JEHOVAH ELOHIM as the ONE GOD. Jesus is one of the personages of JEHOVAH ELOHIM, the ONE GOD.


Genesis 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God(JEHOVAH ELOHIM) made the earth and the heavens,

Genesis 2:5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God(JEHOVAH ELOHIM) had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God(JEHOVAH ELOHIM) formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Genesis 2:8 And the LORD God(JEHOVAH ELOHIM) planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

Genesis 2:9 And out of the ground made the LORD God(JEHOVAH ELOHIM) to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

Genesis 2:15 And the LORD God(JEHOVAH ELOHIM) took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.

Genesis 2:16 And the LORD God(JEHOVAH ELOHIM) commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

Genesis 2:18 And the LORD God(JEHOVAH ELOHIM) said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

Genesis 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God(JEHOVAH ELOHIM) formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

Genesis 2:21 And the LORD God(JEHOVAH ELOHIM) caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;

Genesis 2:22 And the rib, which the LORD God(JEHOVAH ELOHIM) had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.

Genesis 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God(JEHOVAH ELOHIM) had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

Genesis 3:8 And they heard the voice of the LORD God(JEHOVAH ELOHIM) walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God(JEHOVAH ELOHIM) amongst the trees of the garden.

Genesis 3:9 And the LORD God(JEHOVAH ELOHIM) called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?

Genesis 3:13 And the LORD God(JEHOVAH ELOHIM) said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.

Genesis 3:14 And the LORD God(JEHOVAH ELOHIM) said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

Genesis 3:21 Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God(JEHOVAH ELOHIM) make coats of skins, and clothed them.

Genesis 3:22 And the LORD God(JEHOVAH ELOHIM) said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

Genesis 3:23 Therefore the LORD God(JEHOVAH ELOHIM) sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.

Genesis 9:26 And he said, Blessed be the LORD God(JEHOVAH ELOHIM) of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.

Genesis 24:3 And I will make thee swear by the LORD(JEHOVAH), the God(ELOHIM) of heaven, and the God(ELOHIM) of the earth, that thou shalt not take a wife unto my son of the daughters of the Canaanites, among whom I dwell:

Genesis 24:7 The LORD God(JEHOVAH ELOHIM) of heaven, which took me from my father's house, and from the land of my kindred, and which spake unto me, and that sware unto me, saying, Unto thy seed will I give this land; he shall send his angel before thee, and thou shalt take a wife unto my son from thence.

Genesis 24:12 And he said, O LORD God(JEHOVAH ELOHIM) of my master Abraham, I pray thee, send me good speed this day, and shew kindness unto my master Abraham.

Genesis 24:27 And he said, Blessed be the LORD God(JEHOVAH ELOHIM) of my master Abraham, who hath not left destitute my master of his mercy and his truth: I being in the way, the LORD(JEHOVAH) led me to the house of my master's brethren.

Genesis 24:42 And I came this day unto the well, and said, O LORD God(JEHOVAH ELOHIM) of my master Abraham, if now thou do prosper my way which I go:

Genesis 24:48 And I bowed down my head, and worshipped the LORD(JEHOVAH), and blessed the LORD God(JEHOVAH ELOHIM) of my master Abraham, which had led me in the right way to take my master's brother's daughter unto his son.

Genesis 26:24 And the LORD(JEHOVAH) appeared unto him the same night, and said, I am the God(ELOHIM) of Abraham thy father: fear not, for I am with thee, and will bless thee, and multiply thy seed for my servant Abraham's sake.

Genesis 27:20 And Isaac said unto his son, How is it that thou hast found it so quickly, my son? And he said, Because the LORD(JEHOVAH) thy God(ELOHIM) brought it to me.

Genesis 27:28 Therefore God(ELOHIM) give thee of the dew of heaven, and the fatness of the earth, and plenty of corn and wine:

Genesis 28:4 And give thee the blessing of Abraham, to thee, and to thy seed with thee; that thou mayest inherit the land wherein thou art a stranger, which God(ELOHIM) gave unto Abraham.

Genesis 28:12 And he dreamed, and behold a ladder set up on the earth, and the top of it reached to heaven: and behold the angels of God(ELOHIM) ascending and descending on it.

Genesis 28:13 And, behold, the LORD(JEHOVAH) stood above it, and said, I am the LORD God(JEHOVAH ELOHIM) of Abraham thy father, and the God(ELOHIM) of Isaac: the land whereon thou liest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed;

Genesis 28:21 So that I come again to my father's house in peace; then shall the LORD(JEHOVAH) be my God(ELOHIM):

Following is the dialogue that Moses had with JEHOVAH ELOHIM, the I AM:

Exodus 3:13 And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?
Exodus 3:14 And God (ELOHIM) said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
Exodus 3:15 And God (ELOHIM) said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD God (JEHOVAH ELOHIM) of your fathers, the God (ELOHIM) of Abraham, the God (ELOHIM) of Isaac, and the God (ELOHIM) of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.
Exodus 3:16 Go, and gather the elders of Israel together, and say unto them, The LORD God (JEHOVAH ELOHIM)of your fathers, the God (ELOHIM) of Abraham, of Isaac, and of Jacob, appeared unto me, saying, I have surely visited you, and seen that which is done to you in Egypt:

Now the scripture that shows Isaiah prophesying that John the Baptist is preparing the way for the LORD (JEHOVAH), making the paths straight for God (ELOHIM). The same God defined throughout the entire OLD TESTAMENT is revealed in the gospels pointing to Jesus Christ. Jesus is the creator, not the created; Jesus is Jehovah, not an agent of God; Jesus is the First and the Last, not the somewhere in between.

:-D GLTY Solo.....you crack me up....

 

[BradtheImpaler]

Keep in mind that those that were the leaders of Judaism in Jesus day could not apprehend Jesus' teachings for their father was not God Almigty. Jesus said the following to them. Note who they said their father was and who Jesus said their father was:

...Then said they [Pharisees] to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God. 42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me

This statement absolutely proves Jesus is NOT God (as if we needed proof that anyone who was "100% human" is not God) Your Trinitarian indoctrination has blinded you to the obvious...

The Pharisees say there is only one God

Jesus says he came FROM that God (not only that, but he says it wasn't "of himself" that he came but he was SENT)

Try reading for once without a predispostion to find or prove the Trinity in everything. Are you capable of that?

 

[John the Baptist]

Your anti/Christ postings are on the wrong side.. (yes, surely! ) but pertaining to eternities time period! Psalm 2:7 & Hebrews 1:1-5 And Pauls penned 'inspiration' of Acts 13:32-33

To be creditable, you might at least try to stay on the other side of the Everlasting Gospel planed birth of the Godheads God/Son, with your verses!

---John

 

[jgredline]

The Pharisees say there is only one God

Brad
As I was reading your post I litterarly broke out laughing. LOL :-D LOL :-D

I have never in all my years as being a Christian (over 30 years) have I ever heard anybody quote a pharisee.. :-D

What did my God Jesus call the Pharisees, something about white washed tombs. :-D , THIS IS TOO FUNNY. :-D :-D

 

[jgredline]

Brad
Why did Jesus get condemed to death for?
What did Jesus claim to be that Got the Pharisees so upset as to condem him to death?

 

[BradtheImpaler]

The Pharisees say there is only one God

Brad
As I was reading your post I litterarly broke out laughing. LOL :-D LOL :-D

I have never in all my years as being a Christian (over 30 years) have I ever heard anybody quote a pharisee.. :-D

What did my God Jesus call the Pharisees, something about white washed tombs. :-D , THIS IS TOO FUNNY. :-D :-D

So you're saying they were wrong about there being one God?

 

[BradtheImpaler]

Brad
Why did Jesus get condemed to death for?
What did Jesus claim to be that Got the Pharisees so upset as to condem him to death?

The Son OF God.

 

[mutzrein]

Brad
Why did Jesus get condemed to death for?
What did Jesus claim to be that Got the Pharisees so upset as to condem him to death?

Exactly as Brad says:

John 19:7
The Jews insisted, "We have a law, and according to that law he must die, because he claimed to be the Son of God."

 

[jgredline]

An I too concur
Thats exactly my point.

 

[Georges]

The Pharisees say there is only one God

Brad
As I was reading your post I litterarly broke out laughing. LOL :-D LOL :-D

I have never in all my years as being a Christian (over 30 years) have I ever heard anybody quote a pharisee.. :-D

What did my God Jesus call the Pharisees, something about white washed tombs. :-D , THIS IS TOO FUNNY. :-D :-D

J....Jesus was a Pharisee.....very much in line with the School of Hillel....

You can have a bundle of laughs with my statement.....but it's true..