Was Luke/Acts written to an individual person or to all individual God lovers?

[Conqueror]

For the scripture says, “You must not muzzle an ox while it is threshing,” and “The worker is worthy of his wages.”
1 Timothy 5:18 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=1 Timothy 5:18&version=LEB

The underlined quote is OT. The red quote is NT.

The red quote came from the prophet Moses (Lev. 19:13; Deut. 24:15)
and was quoted by the Lord Jesus. (Matt. 10:10)


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So, a person that teaches Luke’s Gospel was NOT Scripture at the time of the apostle Paul’ ministry is ________ (correct or incorrect)?

Please provide Scriptural support for the opinion
that Jesus choose Luke as a foundational apostle?
(Mat 10:1-2, John 6:70, Eph 2:20)

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[Garion]

I have often pondered the same .....as in His message that "the mark of the beast".

 

[Conqueror]

I'm struggling to see how this discussion is related to the original post. Perhaps it would be good to get things back on topic.

The conversation is extremely relevant
to which audience Luke's works are addressed
for Jesus never chose Luke to be an apostle
(Mat 10:1-2, John 6:70, Eph 2:20).

Luke boasted of ‘making an extensive effort’ (Luke 1:3).
Compare that with Isaiah's instructed tongue (Is 50:4)
and the direct revelation to Paul (Gal 1:12)

Luke bears witness of himself !!!!!!
If I bear witness of Myself, My witness is not true (John 5:31 NKJV).


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[chessman]

The red quote came from the prophet Moses (Lev. 19:13; Deut. 24:15)

You do realize that red letter Bibles use red letters when quoting Jesus right?

Neither Lev 19:13 nor Deut 24:25 say; “The worker is worthy of his wages.”

Please provide Scriptural support for the opinion
that Jesus choose Luke as a foundational apostle?

Why, who said Luke is a foundational apostle?

 

[Northman]

So, a person that teaches Luke’s Gospel was NOT Scripture at the time of the apostle Paul’ ministry is ________ (correct or incorrect)?

Well the obvious answer should be that it is incorrect. An apostle quotes Jesus and says it's scripture. Simple.

 

[Conqueror]

Why, who said Luke is a foundational apostle?

Luke's narrative is placed among the apostolic word of God,
which is foundational to the household of God (Eph 2:20).

Please explain why the first ranking apostles
aren't honoured above others in the Roman Canon? (1 Cor 12:28, Eph 4:11).

Jesus will honour the Twelve properly
by naming the foundations of the New Jerusalem after them (Revelation 21:14).



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[Conqueror]

It is.


It is. Paul clearly says Luke’s Gospel is Scripture in 1 Tim 5:18 when he quotes a portion and called it “Scripture”.

For the scripture says, “You must not muzzle an ox while it is threshing,” and “The worker is worthy of his wages.”​

1 Timothy 5:18 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=1 Timothy 5:18&version=LEB

The underlined quote is OT. The red quote is NT.

You do realize that red letter Bibles use red letters when quoting Jesus right?

Neither Lev 19:13 nor Deut 24:25 say; “The worker is worthy of his wages.”

Each day you shall give him his wages, and not let the sun go down on it,
for he is poor and has set his heart on it;
lest he cry out against you to the LORD, and it be sin to you (Dt 24:15 NKJV).

Why should the wages be given?
For the worker is worthy of his wages !!!!!



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Paul didn't quote Moses word for word !!!!!

 

[Conqueror]

That leaves us with the million dollar question: Who decided the canon?

The Roman Canon was compiled by uninspired men.

In the latter days the word of the LORD
shall go forth from Jerusalem (Mic 4:1-2, Isaiah 2:3 NKJV).

But sleepy Christendom was FORCED to accept the Roman Canon
to become intoxicated on the poisonous darnel
(Mat 13:25, Rev 17:2, Rev 13:3 NKJV)

The Lord ordered a BLUEPRINT for canon; which was the word of God
by the foundational prophets and apostles only (Rom 1:1-2, Eph 2:20, 2 Pet 3 :1-2 NKJV).


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[chessman]

Please explain why the first ranking apostles
aren't honoured above others in the Roman Canon? (1 Cor 12:28, Eph 4:11).

Why not first explain what translation you find “rank” within 1 Cor 12:28 or Eph 4:11?

And he himself gave some as apostles and some as prophets and some as evangelists and some as pastors and teachers for the equipping of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for building up the body of Christ, until we all reach the unity of the faith and the knowledge of the Son of God, to a mature man, to a measure of the maturity of the fullness of Christ,​

Ephesians 4:11-13 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=Ephesians 4:11-13&version=LEB

BTW, v12 is a partial sentence. One day (according to the apostle Paul) we ALL reach “unity of faith” via the prophets, evangelists, teachers and pastors who are teaching what the apostles first witnessed.

It has a great and high wall that has twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written on the gates which are of the twelve tribes of the sons of Israel— on the east, three gates, and on the north, three gates, and on the south, three gates, and on the west, three gates. And the wall of the city has twelve foundations, and on them are twelve names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.​

Revelation 21:12-14 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=Revelation 21:12-14&version=LEB

And the 12 tribes. And everyone’s name who’s written in the Lamb’s book.

 

[Conqueror]

Luke's narrative is placed among the apostolic word of God,
which is foundational to the household of God (Eph 2:20).

Please explain why the first ranking apostles
aren't honoured above others in the Roman Canon? (1 Cor 12:28, Eph 4:11).

Jesus will honour the Twelve properly
by naming the foundations of the New Jerusalem after them (Revelation 21:14).

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Why not first explain what translation you find “rank” within 1 Cor 12:28 or Eph 4:11?

God has appointed these in the church: FIRST apostles ............ (1 Cor 12:28 NKJV).

The Twelve apostles outrank everyone in the church.

I haven't been in the military,
but those who cannot understand this concept should enlist !!!!


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[chessman]

God has appointed these in the church: FIRST apostles ............

That’s correct, the apostles were the first to receive the gift of the Spirit of Christ through appointment after His ascension. V12 is yet again a partial sentence concerning the body of Christ (the church) within a whole chapter explaining how there is no such thing as ‘ranks’ among His body (ironically).

The chronology (not the rank) of the building up of His body (the church) by the Holy Spirit is listed within Chapter 12:27-28. And Luke, BTW:

Now you [plural] are the body of Christ, and members of it individually, and whom God has appointed in the church: first, apostles, second, prophets, third, teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healing, helps, administrations, kinds of tongues.​

1 Corinthians 12:27-28 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=1 Corinthians 12:27-28&version=LEB

A church administrator has the same Spirit as the apostles had. The apostles received the Holy Spirit “first”. Read all about it in Acts (the history of the church).

I produced the former account, O Theophilus, about all that Jesus began to do and to teach, until the day he was taken up, after he had given orders through the Holy Spirit to the apostles whom he had chosen, to whom he also presented himself alive after he suffered, with many convincing proofs, appearing to them over a period of forty days and speaking the things about the kingdom of God.​

Acts 1:1-3 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=Acts 1:1-3&version=LEB

I fail to see (because you’ve failed to produce) how it is Jesus, through the Holy Spirit, “first” giving orders to the apostles teaches His body that these same apostles outrank any other brother within His body. We’re all in Christ through His Spirit at work in us individually, ultimately taking our orders from Him (the Alpha and Omega).

But in all these things one and the same Spirit is at work, distributing to each one individually just as he wishes.​

1 Corinthians 12:11 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=1 Corinthians 12:11&version=LEB

I haven't been in the military,
but those who cannot understand this concept should enlist !!!!

Your ‘concept’ should first (pun intended) be founded upon what Scripture actually says. And BTW, a 1st Lieutenant addressing his four star general as “brother”, Paul does in his all his letters to other body members, wouldn’t work out to well.

Can you reference just one verse that teaches the church’s apostles “outrank” the church pastors or administrators? (And I don’t mean what you think about a verse but rather what the verse actually says.)

Paul, called to be an apostle of Christ Jesus through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother, to the church of God sanctified in Christ Jesus that is in Corinth, called to be saints, together with all those who call upon the name of our Lord Jesus Christ in every place, their Lord and ours.​

1 Corinthians 1:1-2 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=1 Corinthians 1:1-2&version=LEB

All those who call upon the name of our Lord are “brothers” sanctified in Christ within the “church of God”, not the church of the apostles.

 

[Conqueror]

God has appointed these in the church: FIRST apostles ............ (1 Cor 12:28 NKJV).

The Twelve apostles outrank everyone in the church.

I haven't been in the military,
but those who cannot understand this concept should enlist !!!!


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That’s correct, the apostles were the first to receive the gift of the Spirit of Christ through appointment after His ascension. V12 is yet again a partial sentence concerning the body of Christ (the church) within a whole chapter explaining how there is no such thing as ‘ranks’ among His body (ironically).

The chronology (not the rank) of the building up of His body (the church) by the Holy Spirit is listed within Chapter 12:27-28. And Luke, BTW:

Now you [plural] are the body of Christ, and members of it individually, and whom God has appointed in the church: first, apostles, second, prophets, third, teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healing, helps, administrations, kinds of tongues.​

1 Corinthians 12:27-28 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=1 Corinthians 12:27-28&version=LEB

A church administrator has the same Spirit as the apostles had. The apostles received the Holy Spirit “first”. Read all about it in Acts (the history of the church).

I produced the former account, O Theophilus, about all that Jesus began to do and to teach, until the day he was taken up, after he had given orders through the Holy Spirit to the apostles whom he had chosen, to whom he also presented himself alive after he suffered, with many convincing proofs, appearing to them over a period of forty days and speaking the things about the kingdom of God.​

Acts 1:1-3 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=Acts 1:1-3&version=LEB

I fail to see (because you’ve failed to produce) how it is Jesus, through the Holy Spirit, “first” giving orders to the apostles teaches His body that these same apostles outrank any other brother within His body. We’re all in Christ through His Spirit at work in us individually, ultimately taking our orders from Him (the Alpha and Omega).

But in all these things one and the same Spirit is at work, distributing to each one individually just as he wishes.​

1 Corinthians 12:11 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=1 Corinthians 12:11&version=LEB


Your ‘concept’ should first (pun intended) be founded upon what Scripture actually says. And BTW, a 1st Lieutenant addressing his four star general as “brother”, Paul does in his all his letters to other body members, wouldn’t work out to well.

Can you reference just one verse that teaches the church’s apostles “outrank” the church pastors or administrators? (And I don’t mean what you think about a verse but rather what the verse actually says.)

Paul, called to be an apostle of Christ Jesus through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother, to the church of God sanctified in Christ Jesus that is in Corinth, called to be saints, together with all those who call upon the name of our Lord Jesus Christ in every place, their Lord and ours.​

1 Corinthians 1:1-2 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=1 Corinthians 1:1-2&version=LEB

All those who call upon the name of our Lord are “brothers” sanctified in Christ within the “church of God”, not the church of the apostles.

A believer is also a brother to the Lord Jesus Christ, but that doesn't make him God
The same principle applies in the case of the apostles.

There is no case other than dragging
FIRST ranking apostles down (1 Cor 12:28)
to the level of believers today,
who are intoxicated on poisonous darnel (Mat 13:25, Rev 17:2).

Why does Christendom quote apostles,
when their own carnal opinions reign supreme?

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[chessman]

I asked; “Can you reference just one verse that teaches the church’s apostles “outrank” the church pastors or administrators?”

Your response:

There is no case other than dragging
FIRST ranking apostles down (1 Cor 12:28)
to the level of believers today,

Okay, thanks. That’s what I thought your concept was built upon.

Yet God composed the body by giving more abundant honor to the part which lacked it , in order that there not be a division in the body, but the members would have the same concern for one another.

 

[Razeontherock]

Who decided what epistles / books are Scripture?

That's a very important process, and understanding it can only build Faith!

 

[Razeontherock]

So, a person that teaches Luke’s Gospel was NOT Scripture at the time of the apostle Paul’ ministry is ________ (correct or incorrect)?

This raises the point that Paul's letters were written before Luke's (Gospel and Acts). I find all of this completely relevant to the OP's query. I would go so far as to say it can never be understood without also understanding the issue of how our Canon came to be ...

 

[WIP]

The topic of this thread is whether or not Luke was writing to one person or any reader and not the validity of the New Testament writings as Scripture. I'm locking this thread for review and we'll see if it is reopened.

 

[stovebolts]

The topic of this thread is whether or not Luke was writing to one person or any reader and not the validity of the New Testament writings as Scripture. I'm locking this thread for review and we'll see if it is reopened.

After staff review, the issue has been handled and we are in agreement to reopen this thread.

 

[Razeontherock]

That's a very important process, and understanding it can only build Faith!

I don't like quoting myself, but I think this is a worthy exception. While this might not be the best place to discuss it at length, the process by which our Canon was arrived at is what was being referring to. It's a marvelous way to build our Faith, seeing the Holy Spirit work through regular people like us, producing things that are deemed "holy." (Scripture)
The relevance to the question in the OP is that it can bring clarity to not only our understanding of Scripture, but it can help us to better know God Himself! (I'm big on that)

Briefly, the big thing is that what got included in "Canon," is those writings that had been used during Church worship services. (Revelation was the only exception) So there was nothing controversial about any other book being included or not. And Constantine, and Rome itself, had little bearing on any of it, except to spur the process along. Isn't that wonderful how God can annul people's impure motives? He remains Sovereign!

It's also well worth looking into why no one cared to create an "official Canon" before this, as well as why people weren't concerned with writing the Gospels down earlier.

Understanding these things builds Faith! And it impacts how we look at Luke's introduction, addressed to "Theophilus"

 

[Walpole]

The Roman Canon was compiled by uninspired men.

In the latter days the word of the LORD
shall go forth from Jerusalem (Mic 4:1-2, Isaiah 2:3 NKJV).

But sleepy Christendom was FORCED to accept the Roman Canon
to become intoxicated on the poisonous darnel
(Mat 13:25, Rev 17:2, Rev 13:3 NKJV)

The Lord ordered a BLUEPRINT for canon; which was the word of God
by the foundational prophets and apostles only (Rom 1:1-2, Eph 2:20, 2 Pet 3 :1-2 NKJV).


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Can you give us the Canon compiled by inspired men, along with who these men were, where they received inspiration, where they wrote down their inspired canon and most importantly, a name / group of ANYONE in history using it?

I look forward to your answer which, if you can provide it, will re-write Christian history and thus make you quite famous.

 

[Walpole]

That's a very important process, and understanding it can only build Faith!

Indeed.