We Are Made Out Of Light...

[Edward]

Uh-oh, I'm a cult now? I have to be a Jehovah's Witness now? NNOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! Say it aint so, Ma...

With all the talk about light in scripture, I got funny idea one day. Suddenly I'm a false prophet leading people away from Christ. Wow. I guess you folks aint got much imagination. Maybe I'm not right. But I;m readin and I'm thinking. You can't be afraid to press forward, Brothers and Sisters. Afraid to grow in Christ are we? No faith that the Holy Spirit will guide us into all truth?


Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.../

But I better not think outside the box? Maybe God can't back that up? I may get deceived? I thought I was supposed to have faith? The way you guys are talking how wrong I am, you sound like maybe light is a bad thing or something? I better pass over those scriptures, lol.
Lol. Ok, I'm done. I'll be good.

Did you ever google that they think blood is congealed light?

 

[jasonc]

I don't recall Jehovah's Witnesses believing in a soul like that. They don't prescribe to.the idea of an eternal soul either in heaven or hell like Christians do.I used to be one

 

[Edward]

I don't recall Jehovah's Witnesses believing in a soul like that. They don't prescribe to.the idea of an eternal soul either in heaven or hell like Christians do.I used to be one

Yeah, Idk. I'm pretty good at getting rid of them fast when they come around, so I don't know anything about their beliefs. I know about mine. God is light, and in Him is no darkness at all. We're created in His image & likeness. So it is not inaccurate to say we're made of light. We are a manifestation of the reflection of God, who is light to this world. :yes

 

[Edward]

John 1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

4 In Him was life; and the life was the light of men.../

Seems pretty plain to me, looking at this passage. That doesn't take any imagination does it? I've wondered before, if what we do here on earth affects the "us" that is seated with Christ in heavenly places? Maybe we shine in the Kingdom realm? Maybe everything we do (or think! ) in the natural realm either makes our shine dimmer or brighter in the Kingdom realm? This info isn't in scripture for no good reason...

 

[Free]

It does use much figurative language, however, the entire bible is not figurative speech. I've found through my studies that there are passages which seem figurative but are not. Others are both literal and figurative.

And the verse about the heart of stone is obviously figurative.

The "light" that "has come" is indeed, "the glory of the LORD. If we are in Christ, then we have the Glory of the Lord within us. Figuratively and literally. As far as being made out of salt, why would I think that we're made out of salt? I must believe that we're made out of salt to be consistent? Don't be juvenile, brother. Apparently, my mind doesn't work like your mind, and I'm able to rightly divide how we can be made out of light and not out of salt. You're starting to put words in my mouth by saying if I believe in this then I have to believe in that. Not so!

Your mind most certainly does not work like my mind. You seem unable to use your God-given reason to understand what context is. This is very basic biblical interpretation and you're just not getting it.

You used Matt. 5:16 as proof that we are spirit-beings made out of light. Logic tells us that if that is what that verse is saying, then it follows that 5:13 proves we are made of salt.

So because we can see it, that's why you believe it? Then what is unseen is not to be believed? Why would you approach a scriptural situation carnally?

Good grief, Edward. God has given us reasoning minds and we are to use them when we read Scripture, not turn them off. There is absolutely nothing "carnal" about what I've said.

We know hearts are not made of stone; we couldn't even live if they were. I seriously cannot believe we are having this conversation. Please do yourself a favour and read some books on logic and biblical interpretation.

Like how we could have a stone heart and not realize it, because we haven't seen it, only been told about it. You don't know how it is on the other side of the veil, neither do I. We haven't been there. But we know it's there. Well, I know it's there, lol.

No, we don't have, and never have had, literal hearts of stone.

Really. Well that's all I'm doing. Trying to understand what's written, the picture it draws, how it fits in with all other scriptures, etc..
Are you sure that we're not told to believe the Word, but always with the admonition of go prove it? Let's see;
Matthew 21:22 And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive.../(Not in that one), John 3:16, John 6:35, Mark 5:36, Hebrews 11:6, Romans 10:10, James 1:5-6...(Those either)

Not only that, but check this one out;

Proverbs 3:5
5 Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.../

So I'd say that you're wrong in what you say here brother. Fist the belief comes, then the understanding comes. The point isn't don't study it out, but to try to spiritually discern what's behind it. That's the Holy Spirit's job. Yes, some things have to be taken in faith until revelation is given. Look to the unseen. You can't understand the bible by carnalizing it. (is that even a word? lol)

Way to pull more passages out of context. We are to study and not "try to spiritually discern what's behind it. Why do you think the books of the Bible were written in human languages? If all we had to do was discern some sort of meaning, it may as well have been written in a language we could never know. There is absolutely nothing carnal in using reason, especially in a passage that is clearly speaking figuratively about havin hearts of stone. Your approach is unbiblical and will lead you into all sorts of error.

 

[Edward]

 

[stovebolts]

Hi Free
I will break this into 3 separate posts, but I cannot guarantee how much time I have to respond. As it sits, I have 10 minutes and then I have to leave.

There are no bad students, only bad teachers.

That may sound true but it clearly is not. Simple observation tells us there are both bad teachers and bad students.

A teacher teaches. That is why he is called a teacher. There are not bad students, because a student is open to learning. If a person is not open to learning, then they are not a student.
That a student is unable to learn, is not a lacking on the students part, but rather a lacking in ones ability to teach said student.
In short, not all students learn in the same manner. If somebody isn't learning, it is only due to the teachers inability to reach said student.

 

[stovebolts]

When God breathed into Adam, he breathed into him the very light of God, or as some call it, the very spirit of God.

Do you have any biblical proof?

What type of biblical proof would you accept? As I said, "some call it, the very spirit of God". This implies that others do not.

Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Free what do you believe about this spirit that is given, then returns to God when a person dies?