We Are Made Out Of Light...

[Edward]

II Timothy 2:16 KJV
But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;
18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.
19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

If the resurrection is past we are changed. Till the resurrection is past we are still teaching:
1.Repentance
2. Belief in Jesus's work
3. Baptism in Holy Spirit (convinces of sin, righteousness, judgement). Got to be a witness to lost folks etc.

We are but a shell of what we will be.

I John 3:2 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

I am a chandelier swinger in my mind but I realize the timbers of my human frame are not to be trusted as being wonderful. The words of Romans 7:25 ring out.

I Can not define yet what I will be. What is the perfect coming? Tongues interpreted. Prophecy fulfilled, return of Jesus, judgement (good and bad for all), time ceases, eternity starts.

The symbolism of the New Jerusalem is great
But
It is coming down and not totally arrived.

eddif

We don't have our spiritual bodies yet, but neither do those believers who have passed over before us. Not yet. The resurrection is not passed. Jesus's resurrection is, but not mans. All of it will come on the day of the Lord, but we do have more than most people think we do. We're under the New Covenant! All of it!

:yes

 

[eddif]

We don't have our spiritual bodies yet, but neither do those believers who have passed over before us. Not yet. The resurrection is not passed. Jesus's resurrection is, but not mans. All of it will come on the day of the Lord, but we do have more than most people think we do. We're under the New Covenant! All of it!

:yes

I Corinthians 15:52 KJV
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

We are a new spiritual man, but our body is not changed yet.

New creation. Name written in Lambs book of life.

I Corinthians 6:9 KJV
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

The kingdom is in us. The body of death still clings. New spiritual creation in wretched man.
Romans 7:25

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[eddif]

The word in our heart convinces us we are sinners saved by the blood of Jesus.

The word in our mind convinces us we have an advocate with the Father Jesus Christ the righteous.

Heart and mind.

eddif

 

[Edward]

I Corinthians 15:52 KJV
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

We are a new spiritual man, but our body is not changed yet.

New creation. Name written in Lambs book of life.

I Corinthians 6:9 KJV
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

The kingdom is in us. The body of death still clings. New spiritual creation in wretched man.
Romans 7:25

eddif

Exactly, Brother. But before the new spiritual body, we get a new heart and a new spirit...a new creation.

2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.../

Ezekiel 36:26-27
And I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit I will put within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes and be careful to obey my rules.../ (this happens while we are still in the flesh.)

Under the new covenant, we are given all authority and dominion over all of the earth. We have but to ask to receive. He wants us to understand who we are. Spirit beings made from light and with the Spirit of the Living God with us. The only obstacle to walking this life is unbelief. Lord help my unbelief!

 

[eddif]

Exactly, Brother. But before the new spiritual body, we get a new heart and a new spirit...a new creation.

2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.../

Ezekiel 36:26-27
And I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit I will put within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes and be careful to obey my rules.../ (this happens while we are still in the flesh.)

Under the new covenant, we are given all authority and dominion over all of the earth. We have but to ask to receive. He wants us to understand who we are. Spirit beings made from light and with the Spirit of the Living God with us. The only obstacle to walking this life is unbelief. Lord help my unbelief!

Romans 6:10 KJV
For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

This victory is of the mind. We reckon it done through faith in Christ Jesus.

If the heart is literal, show me the medical evidence. It is a done deal in the flesh would not Romans 7:25 be under suspicion? (And some doubt it). The NT compares the ox to a preacher saying it is not about the literal ox. We leave the context of oxen and move on.
I Corinthians 9:9

Do we not move on to a creation not made with hands?

About here I commend my spirit unto God. (On this issue).

eddif

 

[Edward]

If the heart is literal, show me the medical evidence.

I'm pretty sure that there isn't any medical evidence. But that doesn't men that it's not literal, it just means that it would be something that would be spiritually discerned.

1 Corinthians 2:
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.../

When we look to science to validate the things of God, we're pitting the carnal mind against the Lord. The carnal mind is enmity to God.

If it's not literal, then...what's the metaphor? I believe the proof would be...in their fruits.

 

[Free]

I'm pretty sure that there isn't any medical evidence. But that doesn't men that it's not literal, it just means that it would be something that would be spiritually discerned.

1 Corinthians 2:
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.../

When we look to science to validate the things of God, we're pitting the carnal mind against the Lord. The carnal mind is enmity to God.

If it's not literal, then...what's the metaphor? I believe the proof would be...in their fruits.

Of course it isn't literal; this has nothing to do with things that are spiritually discerned. "Heart" is used metaphorically throughout Scripture to mean passions and affections. In Eze. 36 then, it means that God will give new passions and affections or renew and purify existing ones.

 

[Edward]

Of course it isn't literal; this has nothing to do with things that are spiritually discerned. "Heart" is used metaphorically throughout Scripture to mean passions and affections. In Eze. 36 then, it means that God will give new passions and affections or renew and purify existing ones.

So is that getting a new heart or not?

 

[Free]

So is that getting a new heart or not?

What do you mean? I have answered your question and explained what Eze. 36 means.

 

[Edward]

What do you mean? I have answered your question and explained what Eze. 36 means.

Ok, so, no. You don't believe that we literally get a new heart. Well yeah, that what's you said in fact.

Of course it isn't literal; this has nothing to do with things that are spiritually discerned. "Heart" is used metaphorically throughout Scripture to mean passions and affections. In Eze. 36 then, it means that God will give new passions and affections or renew and purify existing ones.

Yeah, I disagree with you on that. With God, nothing is impossible.

 

[eddif]

Romans 1:18 KJV
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Being understood:
Eternal power
Godhead

That you Might receive power
(Holy Spirit breathed life into Adam)
Flesh Adam:
1. Body ( using kidneys, liver, lungs, stomach, heart to explain semi hidden things)
2 Soul Adam (Mind, will, emotions of carnal
dust man) unseen things that
3. Mind of Father unseen will the prophets speak off (delivered by and
Gels and Holy Spirit / Spirit the Holy)

Angels are messengers of God / nerves are messengers of brain

Brain actually has little symbolism (no temple). Judgement lives with Father)

Heart (desperately wicked and deceitful above all things (that is why the natural pacemaker looks like a crucified man). The New heart is able to discern the sin that exists (Holy Spirit reveals Sin, righteousness, judgement). The word in our heart is the sin of Romans 1: 19-20
................
Spirit NT new man ( reminants of old man passing away, and new inner man).

1. Mind of Christ
2. Judgement of Father
3. Power of Holy Spirit (spiritual gifts)
...............,

We are not a souped up renewed 1st Adam.

We are a crucified daily old Adam, but with an empowered living spirit of Christ living in us (if we opened the door)
Revelation 3:20

Of course I live in a Mississippi world of ignorant rednecks ( of which I am the most ignorant)
eddif

 

[Free]

Ok, so, no. You don't believe that we literally get a new heart. Well yeah, that what's you said in fact.

Of course that is what I said because the Bible does not teach that we "literally get a new heart."

Yeah, I disagree with you on that. With God, nothing is impossible.

That God can do anything is completely irrelevant as whether or not the Bible says God will do a certain thing. The fact remains that "heart" is used metaphorically throughout the Bible to mean passions and affections of the mind and will. It matters what the Bible says about the matter, not that God can do the impossible.

Of course, the simplest way to disprove your assertion is the very context itself. Unless you believe and can prove that unbelievers literally have hearts of stone, your point fails.

I strongly suggest that you use commentaries, Bible dictionaries, lexicons, etc., as part of your studies.

 

[eddif]

Of course it isn't literal; this has nothing to do with things that are spiritually discerned. "Heart" is used metaphorically throughout Scripture to mean passions and affections. In Eze. 36 then, it means that God will give new passions and affections or renew and purify existing ones.

Ezekiel is a good chapter to show the return of Israel to the faith of Abraham. When Abraham wandered through the land He looked for a city whose builder and maker was God. When the Jews returned to God through Jesus, then Gentiles came to hear the gospel. Did all Jews believe? No but the
writers of the NT had the correct affections of their new hearts.

A stony heart will seek the wrong affections of the flesh, but the new heart confesses sin and is turned to faith in Christ Jesus.
..........
The minds of Israel were turned to dealing with the inner higher calling of God.

Hearts and minds.
Heart confesses sin through word.
Mind understands gospel of Jesus Christ.

Redneck
eddif

 

[eddif]

Romans 10:10 KJV
For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

What started with John the Baptist became a belief in the one who came after him (Jesus).

Jesus baptized with the Holy Spirit and fire.

The speech centers of their minds touched their lips. The Gospel of Jesus spread world wide.

eddif

 

[Edward]

Of course that is what I said because the Bible does not teach that we "literally get a new heart."


That God can do anything is completely irrelevant as whether or not the Bible says God will do a certain thing. The fact remains that "heart" is used metaphorically throughout the Bible to mean passions and affections of the mind and will. It matters what the Bible says about the matter, not that God can do the impossible.

Of course, the simplest way to disprove your assertion is the very context itself. Unless you believe and can prove that unbelievers literally have hearts of stone, your point fails.

I strongly suggest that you use commentaries, Bible dictionaries, lexicons, etc., as part of your studies.

That's what the scripture says. So, it sounds as if your position is, since the bible doesn't spell it out very plainly in one "thou shalt shine like a light bulb" verse, that you wont believe it...Ok. As you wish.

Heart is used metaphorically in places in scripture, but that passage I posted actually specifies flesh heart. It may indeed also be meaning your spiritual heart?

You're wanting to disprove this? I wonder why? You don't think you were made out of light? In the image of God? To each his own, brother. But I comprehend it.

 

[eddif]

That's what the scripture says. So, it sounds as if your position is, since the bible doesn't spell it out very plainly in one "thou shalt shine like a light bulb" verse, that you wont believe it...Ok. As you wish.

Heart is used metaphorically in places in scripture, but that passage I posted actually specifies flesh heart. It may indeed also be meaning your spiritual heart?

You're wanting to disprove this? I wonder why? You don't think you were made out of light? In the image of God? To each his own, brother. But I comprehend it.

Let me try. Hey I said try.

A stony heart has plac.
https://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/health/health-topics/topics/cscan/
A coronary calcium scan tells how much.

To find out a heart is almost stone is bad. Cleaned up would restore s heart of flesh
(Maybe a transplant).

In one sense I waste time to go too physical, but this thread it may work. Through sin a man's heart may be hardened. The physical heart can be stony. The attitudes of a sin choked physical thought process is probably stony and what we want to turn to God.

We need to be pliable. Not lukewarm mushy nothing, but turned in the way and invite the Holy Spirit in.

I am enjoying this thread. Throw me out if I get beyond beyond. This has been one subject that has sat onthe burner for years.

Redneck brake drum barbecue.
eddif

 

[Edward]

Of course that is what I said because the Bible does not teach that we "literally get a new heart."


That God can do anything is completely irrelevant as whether or not the Bible says God will do a certain thing. The fact remains that "heart" is used metaphorically throughout the Bible to mean passions and affections of the mind and will. It matters what the Bible says about the matter, not that God can do the impossible.

Of course, the simplest way to disprove your assertion is the very context itself. Unless you believe and can prove that unbelievers literally have hearts of stone, your point fails.

I strongly suggest that you use commentaries, Bible dictionaries, lexicons, etc., as part of your studies.

Ya' know, I think that if you're out to disprove this, then you should go back to me first few posts where I posted all the scripture, and disprove those, tell me where I'm wrong or whatever and what the verse really means, and then also post more of your own scriptures that serve to disprove mine. I don't think it's really kosher to slide in to thread late and just say prove it...I have, it's all there. By Grace, we were created in the very image and likeness of God, to be His reflection, here on earth, brother.

And..again, (John 19:28-30), it is finished, and a done deal. That all the scripture be fulfilled. Scripture says a lot with regard to the new covenant! On earth as it is in Heaven brother. We just don't have the spiritual bodies yet. But we're called to have the mind of Christ and be led by the Spirit...It's what we are, believe it or not.

That description of the four faces of God, in scripture...Ox, Lion, Eagle, Man...

I'm pretty sure that's Father Son Holy Spirit, and man. I'm not trying to exalt myself, but that's very interesting. God loves us very much, it's true.

 

[Corn Pop]

We are light. Energy and matter. I think the energy source is the Spirit. Thats why I believe the invisable God is a Powerful Energy Spirit Being and not a literal person sitting on a throne.

 

[Edward]

Let me try. Hey I said try.

A stony heart has plac.
https://www.nhlbi.nih.gov/health/health-topics/topics/cscan/
A coronary calcium scan tells how much.

To find out a heart is almost stone is bad. Cleaned up would restore s heart of flesh
(Maybe a transplant).

In one sense I waste time to go too physical, but this thread it may work. Through sin a man's heart may be hardened. The physical heart can be stony. The attitudes of a sin choked physical thought process is probably stony and what we want to turn to God.

We need to be pliable. Not lukewarm mushy nothing, but turned in the way and invite the Holy Spirit in.

I am enjoying this thread. Throw me out if I get beyond beyond. This has been one subject that has sat onthe burner for years.

Redneck brake drum barbecue.
eddif

Right on, Brother. Me too. Well how about this for a twist/

Now we know that we are seated with Christ in Heavenly places, right now as we speak. So, in spirit we are with the Lord, and in the flesh, we are right here in the natural realm. Almost like, there's two of us. A flesh one, and a spiritual one? With two sets of senses also! I'm not sitting in heavenly places with Jesus Blind right now, So we have spiritual eyes, nose, ears, taste and who knows how many more senses. Plus our flesh ones. So maybe what we do here in the flesh, affects us in the spiritual realm? Maybe the heart of stone is there and gets replaced on the spiritual realm side of us?

 

[Edward]

We are light. Energy and matter. I think the energy source is the Spirit. Thats why I believe the invisable God is a Powerful Energy Spirit Being and not a literal person sitting on a throne.

Exactly, Brother. The energy source is the Spirit. ...and god breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul...

Ahd I think who He is, is a (all powerful) Powerful Energy Spirit Being, who does literally sit on a throne.