WE are RUDE!

[Oats]

why are most Christians so rude when trying to bring people into the faith


Jesus yelled at the so called religious, not the unbeliever


We don't evangelize correctly!
:help2

 

[Mike]

Most Christians don't evangelize in the first place. Most don't see much urgency for their own commitment to the Lord, let alone the commitment of others. Very comfortable and complacent - afraid to offend anyone. I believe relatively few are stirred up enough to be "rude", but those who are, are loud enough to make it seem that more are rude. :rant

 

[Oats]

Most Christians don't evangelize in the first place. Most don't see much urgency for their own commitment to the Lord, let alone the commitment of others. Very comfortable and complacent - afraid to offend anyone. I believe relatively few are stirred up enough to be "rude", but those who are, are loud enough to make it seem that more are rude. :rant

^this

 

[Sparkey]

Pardon me for jumping in so abruptly... (he says, pretending that rudeness is far from him)

So when the disciples were told to let the dead bury the dead?
I guess that wasn't "rude". But if I were to be blunt and speak the truth in the same manner (and by the same spirit) as my Lord?

Christians are to accept "strangers in the gate" as their own family - those whom the Lord draws to them. We are to care for our enemies but does that mean that when somebody camps outside your gates and initiates an attack they must be treated "politely"? What is wrong with our society that we can not speak for fear of offending somebody?

If I were unrighteous and deceiving myself would it be rude for you to speak to me? What would you rather have, a kiss from an enemy or a slap from a friend? I would though agree with the OP in that many (myself included, to my shame) get involved in senseless arguments. My ability to judge is not sharp to the point where discretion serves me as it did our Lord. Still, what is called "rude" today isn't always sin.

 

[Blazin Bones]

Most Christians don't evangelize in the first place. Most don't see much urgency for their own commitment to the Lord, let alone the commitment of others. Very comfortable and complacent - afraid to offend anyone. I believe relatively few are stirred up enough to be "rude", but those who are, are loud enough to make it seem that more are rude. :rant

I agree with Mike... We need to get people to start evangelizing at all. It's something to say of the culture when we are afriad to hold contrary opinions to another person. Tolerance it taught but only goes certain ways.

 

[Chris]

why are most Christians so rude when trying to bring people into the faith


Jesus yelled at the so called religious, not the unbeliever


We don't evangelize correctly!
:help2

I think many sincere people when they can communicate by looking into peoples eyes show love and are fairly good at evangelizing. Put a monitor a keyboard and some anomyninity between people and things seem to change.

 

[jasoncran]

this is very true - in my last post I left out the thitd group of christians which makes up about 90% of christians I meet in real life - these dont mention a single word about your faith or my faith when presented with an aoppurtunity to e"evangelize" to me. Most seem to fear 'rocking the boat'. Although on occasion, they may do some passive aggrasive things to show their contempt for my beliefs.

However, you put a keyboard in front of these guys, and they feel free to say whatever they like. I imagine that if I met Alabaster and theLords in real life, and we discussed some of the topics we have discussed, I think both of our demeanors would be much different.

mine isnt that much different here unless somebody annoys me.

i wouldnt discuss gay rights with lance in person unless he brings it up.

i wouldnt debate as much as we wouldnt have to since i already know your position. but i do talk to members outside this forum who i even call alot.

and vice versa. its got heated one time and i told that person lets avoid that.

while i dont agree with all her theology. we agree on much.

those that have talked to me know this to be true.

 

[theLords]

this is very true - in my last post I left out the thitd group of christians which makes up about 90% of christians I meet in real life - these dont mention a single word about your faith or my faith when presented with an aoppurtunity to e"evangelize" to me. Most seem to fear 'rocking the boat'. Although on occasion, they may do some passive aggrasive things to show their contempt for my beliefs.

However, you put a keyboard in front of these guys, and they feel free to say whatever they like. I imagine that if I met Alabaster and theLords in real life, and we discussed some of the topics we have discussed, I think both of our demeanors would be much different.

You have some sort of thing with me don't you? Can't seem to get my name from out of your mouth?

 

[Alabaster]

this is very true - in my last post I left out the thitd group of christians which makes up about 90% of christians I meet in real life - these dont mention a single word about your faith or my faith when presented with an aoppurtunity to e"evangelize" to me. Most seem to fear 'rocking the boat'. Although on occasion, they may do some passive aggrasive things to show their contempt for my beliefs.

However, you put a keyboard in front of these guys, and they feel free to say whatever they like. I imagine that if I met Alabaster and theLords in real life, and we discussed some of the topics we have discussed, I think both of our demeanors would be much different.

In person I'd be hugging you! But, I do love rockin' dat boat!

 

[Christ_empowered]

From what I remember of people trying to convert me before God grabbed a hold of me, I found it offensive because of Christianity's claim to exclusivity. In a society that teaches us that any way to God/the Universe/whatever is perfectly valid, a religion that tells you that your soul is in dire need of saving and that only Jesus Christ can do it is going to be a hard sell, until (unless?) God breaks down your defenses enough so the truth can get in.

I don't think Christians need to be more engaged in converting so much as we need to be more comfortable standing up for truth. Our culture has us painted as intolerant bigots when we speak the truth. I think speaking the truth, even (perhaps especially) to those in power about sin, judgment, and Christ is a necessary first step before we try to convert people.

 

[Alabaster]

Im sorry - you and I discuss /debate alot - so your usually the last person I had a discussion with. So yeah, i guess you are on my mind alot.

I wont use you as an example anymore I promise.

I think I brought you and Al up because you two have actually brought out anger in me in the past when we talk - Im a pretty emotionless guy - stoic, and calm - my wife says Im an emotionless robot - but you two have, in past posts, even in threads I dont participate in, have stirred the slumbering beast within - and I have to fight not to relay that anger via my responses to you. but dont get me wrong, I dont dislike either of you, and you two dont expres unique views on subjects, I think its just the way its presented to me - its me, not you

This is encouraging! :waving

 

[jasoncran]

Im sorry - you and I discuss /debate alot - so your usually the last person I had a discussion with. So yeah, i guess you are on my mind alot.

I wont use you as an example anymore I promise.

I think I brought you and Al up because you two have actually brought out anger in me in the past when we talk - Im a pretty emotionless guy - stoic, and calm - my wife says Im an emotionless robot - but you two have, in past posts, even in threads I dont participate in, have stirred the slumbering beast within - and I have to fight not to relay that anger via my responses to you. but dont get me wrong, I dont dislike either of you, and you two dont expres unique views on subjects, I think its just the way its presented to me - its me, not you

lol. my wife says the same of me as that is the way i was. God didnt intend men to emotionless.

war, in a sense did this to me even though i was that way before.oh you have emotions, you just dont express them.

i know, i did the same. block then deny them. for if i felt that way i would have to feel pain.

and i hate pain and sorrow, for then comes the tears.

that was the past while i dont like to feel hurts i must let it come out.

and btw pm me on about lords, its needful.

 

[jasoncran]

I know what your saying, i dont bottle my emotions up - I experience them, i just dont express them - not because Im holding them in, its just because I dont express them like I "should" be.

There are times where I truly am an emotioless robot - and I know this is going to sound harsh - but, there are occasions where I know Im supposed to have a certain emotion, but its just not there - like when my son was born, i was supposed to be elated with joy - but when his slimy purple body came out - I dint feel joy, I didnt feel anger, I didnt feel worried, or sad, or happy , or mad - I just felt...nothing - I remeber thinking "...and theres my son, Im hungry" - I love the little guy with all my heart - and he knows I love him.

i can relate to this far more then you know.

i would venture to say that its as if you dont know what to feel.not all the time but some of the time.

i have that as well.

 

[Oats]

Re: WE are RUDE not SHREWD

Pardon me for jumping in so abruptly... (he says, pretending that rudeness is far from him)

So when the disciples were told to let the dead bury the dead?
I guess that wasn't "rude". But if I were to be blunt and speak the truth in the same manner (and by the same spirit) as my Lord?

Christians are to accept "strangers in the gate" as their own family - those whom the Lord draws to them. We are to care for our enemies but does that mean that when somebody camps outside your gates and initiates an attack they must be treated "politely"? What is wrong with our society that we can not speak for fear of offending somebody?

If I were unrighteous and deceiving myself would it be rude for you to speak to me? What would you rather have, a kiss from an enemy or a slap from a friend? I would though agree with the OP in that many (myself included, to my shame) get involved in senseless arguments. My ability to judge is not sharp to the point where discretion serves me as it did our Lord. Still, what is called "rude" today isn't always sin.

It's not about fear....I'm going to say this because I've been pushed to close the edge late


Don't put words in my mouth, I love you but don't judge me and push aside my points. I don't do the same to you.


Please, please , please , please , please


hear me out
Luke 16

The Parable of the Shrewd Manager

1 Jesus told his disciples: “There was a rich man whose manager was accused of wasting his possessions. 2 So he called him in and asked him, ‘What is this I hear about you? Give an account of your management, because you cannot be manager any longer.’
3 “The manager said to himself, ‘What shall I do now? My master is taking away my job. I’m not strong enough to dig, and I’m ashamed to beg— 4 I know what I’ll do so that, when I lose my job here, people will welcome me into their houses.’

5 “So he called in each one of his master’s debtors. He asked the first, ‘How much do you owe my master?’

6 “‘Nine hundred gallons[a] of olive oil,’ he replied.

“The manager told him, ‘Take your bill, sit down quickly, and make it four hundred and fifty.’

7 “Then he asked the second, ‘And how much do you owe?’

“‘A thousand bushels of wheat,’ he replied.

“He told him, ‘Take your bill and make it eight hundred.’

8 “The master commended the dishonest manager because he had acted shrewdly. For the people of this world are more shrewd in dealing with their own kind than are the people of the light.


This parable is Super deep!


on of the most under rated!


In my study, I realized that we as Christians are not shrewd enough.

As in clever when evangelizing


The manager was unjust but made his master look good to the debtors(unbelievers)


Why are we mean to people, do not return evil with evil

 

[Alabaster]

See what i mean??? that made me a little mad - I cant explain it - I need therapy or something.

 

[Chris]

this is very true - in my last post I left out the thitd group of christians which makes up about 90% of christians I meet in real life - these dont mention a single word about your faith or my faith when presented with an aoppurtunity to e"evangelize" to me. Most seem to fear 'rocking the boat'. Although on occasion, they may do some passive aggrasive things to show their contempt for my beliefs.

However, you put a keyboard in front of these guys, and they feel free to say whatever they like. I imagine that if I met Alabaster and theLords in real life, and we discussed some of the topics we have discussed, I think both of our demeanors would be much different.

exactly you should be on here exactly the person you are as if we are talking to each other. hopefiully extending the same courtesy trust and confidences kept.

 

[Sparkey]

Re: WE are RUDE not SHREWD

It's not about fear....I'm going to say this because I've been pushed to close the edge late


Don't put words in my mouth, I love you but don't judge me and push aside my points. I don't do the same to you.


Please, please , please , please , please

What I said was rhetorical and directed at society at large. I did NOT put words into your mouth, nor could I.

"What is wrong with our society that we can not speak for fear of offending somebody?"

You will kindly pardon me as I am still learning how to abide in peace. Recently read was an admonishment, "And the Lord’s servant must not quarrel; instead, he must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful. Those who oppose him he must gently instruct, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth. =2 Timothy 2:24-25 (NIV)

Then comes: "You keep him in perfect peace whose mind is stayed on you, because he trusts in you. Trust in the LORD forever, for the LORD GOD is an everlasting rock." =Isaiah 26:3-4 (ESV)

I certainly did not intend to quarrel, nor to insult God's efforts on my behalf. Your prayers are very much appreciated. I would heartily agree with your post and statement that we need to be mindful of our words, as befitting good and faithful servants and representatives of Christ.

 

[Oats]

Re: WE are RUDE not SHREWD

What I said was rhetorical and directed at society at large. I did NOT put words into your mouth, nor could I.

"What is wrong with our society that we can not speak for fear of offending somebody?"

You will kindly pardon me as I am still learning how to abide in peace. Recently read was an admonishment, "And the Lord’s servant must not quarrel; instead, he must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful. Those who oppose him he must gently instruct, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth. =2 Timothy 2:24-25 (NIV)

Then comes: "You keep him in perfect peace whose mind is stayed on you, because he trusts in you. Trust in the LORD forever, for the LORD GOD is an everlasting rock." =Isaiah 26:3-4 (ESV)

I certainly did not intend to quarrel, nor to insult God's efforts on my behalf. Your prayers are very much appreciated. I would heartily agree with your post and statement that we need to be mindful of our words, as befitting good and faithful servants and representatives of Christ.

i hope i'm not being a jerk

i'm hard to understand...sorry


hey i just want to have more people saved