Several years ago I was watching a live service held by Norval Hays and when he came to the part about the blood of Christ a big noise began in the distant part of the crowd, it sounded like several men with sledge hammers beating on something. Hays stopped and said, do not be alarmed this happens to me all the time, then he said, bring her on down here. Presently several big men brought a woman down and laid her on the floor, Hays come off the platform and said, I command you(to the spirit)to obey me, come out of her in Jesus name. Immediately the woman went limp and Hays helped her up,she was a classly looking woman and seemed to be very embarrassed and she said in an embarrassed voice,I had a spirit, I am sure she was christian but the spirit did not manifest until the mention of the blood of Christ.
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What about demons?
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Alabaster
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I have personally witnessed that same sort of occurrence, and during the introduction to communion. The precious blood triggered a loud, raucous manifestation.
Deavonreye
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As I continue to read through this thread, I can't help but to see posts and think, "they see demons when there aren't". "Strongholds" are just adictions that can be overcome by anyone, regardless of religious affiliation/piousness. People CAN act nuts, and it be due to a chemical imbalance in their brain. A primative group can engage in a cultural dance, act crazy, and it be JUST because that's how the dance is done [also the obvious "everyone else is doing it" part of the equation that happens in many different settings].
Just my opinion.
Just my opinion.
We have a different opinion there,it is war between God and satan,good and evil, and I am convinced that ALL THINGS that are not good have unclean spirits working with them to promote evil,adictions,people acting nuts, primative cultural crazy dances,popular music,TV shows. Everything in this world is either moving toward God or moving away from God...moving away from God has to be bad and has to be influenced by the forces who oppose God and seek to possess this world. In a war that involves all of mankind how can there be neutral ground?
I know its your opinion. but strongholds cover more areas then just addiction. There are religious strongholds, cultural strongholds, ect. These can strong holds can be mental,spiritual, or both. A stronghold is, but is not limited to, thing that prevents one from obtaining a desired position, progressing to a pentacle or high place.
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mcmurry
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My limited understanding is that a demon can only posess you if you invite it in. Also, some people who practice witchcraft can call up a demon for some reason, and not dismiss it properly, and the demon will possess them. I know that there are infinite depths of evil in a person, but things like child molesters, or those people who kill and eat their victims, I believe are so evil that they have to be demons or demon possessed.
I like this simple take on Demons and unclean spirits.
I think a person can have a demon in the sense that the demon is there to influence the person without the person being "possessed" in the sense of the demon owning the person. In the sense of demon influence, I suppose that to some degree all humans are influence at times by demons.
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Alabaster
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How do come to believe this?
Strongholds are areas in a life that stand against God and hinder freedom in Christ. they are based on fears and the fears are based on lies. The father of lies is Satan.
You are equating demonic strongholds as acting crazy---have you been watching too many movies?
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Alabaster
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How does a wicked person dismiss a demon properly?
The unsaved are sitting ducks for demonic interference, and powerless to defend themselves.
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Alabaster
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sometimes i wonder if my schizophrenia has anything to do with this...my voices get very blasphemous at times...
All disease has its roots in darkness. Schizophrenia is a very tempting place for demons to hide out. As a Christian, you have been given all authority to call upon healing for yourself...as well as deliverance.
You do not have to tolerate evil thoughts as the status quo. We are called to the renewing of our minds. That is done by asserting the authority of Christ over our thoughts and continually undergoing the washing of the word.
Psalm 103:3 NLT
He forgives all my sins
and heals all my diseases.
Oats
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thnak you, please pray for me that i will follow through and have enough faith...
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Alabaster
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I have done so and will do so again, Oats! :waving
Scandinavian27
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Deavonreye
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Where I appreciate the comments to my post, the mind is a science that requires understanding. What we don't know or understand [yet] seems to be where some will move it into the area of the supernatural. After the natural is discovered to be the ACTUAL truth, the once held belief is transferred to the catagory of "myth". In time, "demon possession" will find its place there, too.
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Alabaster
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Since when is the mind a science?
We who are spiritual know that there is the natural and the supernatural.
Christ_empowered
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Demons are real and must be dealt with head on. I agree with Alabaster; the church is the ideal place to confront demonic strongholds and experience a greater degree of freedom.
The idea that this is all "in the mind" and must be dealt with through psychology and/or psychiatry is dogmatic. Psychology and psychiatry both have religious elements; anyone who has read Dr. Thomas Szasz ("The Myth of Mental Illness") can see that.
The difference between psychology and Christianity is that Christianity offers true freedom. If its personal sin you're dealing with, repent, pray, go to church, move forward in faith. If its a demon, same thing, although more intense effort might be required (I'm no demon expert, so I don't know how you handle the demonic forces).
Psychology tends to offer more self-absorption, labels ("diagnoses"), and years of expensive "treatment" that consists of nothing more than talking. I'm all about a healing, therapeutic relationship with an experienced Christian, but I'm not exactly impressed by secular psychology. How, I ask, is going to a therapist who is supposed to utter some magic words to heal your "illness" or "issues" any different than going to a religious leader of some sort who says a prayer/chant and claims to get the same result?
The idea that this is all "in the mind" and must be dealt with through psychology and/or psychiatry is dogmatic. Psychology and psychiatry both have religious elements; anyone who has read Dr. Thomas Szasz ("The Myth of Mental Illness") can see that.
The difference between psychology and Christianity is that Christianity offers true freedom. If its personal sin you're dealing with, repent, pray, go to church, move forward in faith. If its a demon, same thing, although more intense effort might be required (I'm no demon expert, so I don't know how you handle the demonic forces).
Psychology tends to offer more self-absorption, labels ("diagnoses"), and years of expensive "treatment" that consists of nothing more than talking. I'm all about a healing, therapeutic relationship with an experienced Christian, but I'm not exactly impressed by secular psychology. How, I ask, is going to a therapist who is supposed to utter some magic words to heal your "illness" or "issues" any different than going to a religious leader of some sort who says a prayer/chant and claims to get the same result?
Earlier in thread Bonairos quoted Acts 19. It's worth repeating in answer to the question, "Are demons real?"
(Act 19:11, 13, 15, 18-20 NASB)
Are demons real? Jesus said they are. Who am I to argue?
How do we, as Christians cope? Well, we do what they tried to do. We name the Name of Jesus and call upon the authority that is over them. The demon responded (to the exorcists):, "I know Paul... and I know Jesus... but who are YOU [to command me]??"
We are given insight regarding what happens (behind the scenes) in the gospel declaration of Matthew.
We are shown that Jesus not only taught with authority he acted with authority. (Luk 4:32-37 NKJV):
This same power, this same authority was given (delivered) into the hands of the disciples (who were then only babes in Christ). (Mar 3:11-15 KJV):
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"What a word this is!"
(Act 19:11, 13, 15, 18-20 NASB)
"God was performing extraordinary miracles by the hands of Paul, ...
But also some of the Jewish exorcists, who went from place to place, attempted to name over those who had the evil spirits the name of the Lord Jesus, saying, "I adjure you by Jesus whom Paul preaches." ...
And the evil spirit answered and said to them, "I recognize Jesus, and I know about Paul, but who are you?"
But also some of the Jewish exorcists, who went from place to place, attempted to name over those who had the evil spirits the name of the Lord Jesus, saying, "I adjure you by Jesus whom Paul preaches." ...
And the evil spirit answered and said to them, "I recognize Jesus, and I know about Paul, but who are you?"
Are demons real? Jesus said they are. Who am I to argue?
How do we, as Christians cope? Well, we do what they tried to do. We name the Name of Jesus and call upon the authority that is over them. The demon responded (to the exorcists):, "I know Paul... and I know Jesus... but who are YOU [to command me]??"
We are given insight regarding what happens (behind the scenes) in the gospel declaration of Matthew.
Jesus replied to those who had accused him of casting out devils by the power of the devil and warned them not to blaspheme the Holy Spirit. He illustrated the point that the religious leaders of his day were not doing anything but making matters worse:
... "When an unclean spirit goes out of a man, he goes through dry places, seeking rest, and finds none. "Then he says, 'I will return to my house from which I came.' And when he comes, he finds it empty, swept, and put in order. "Then he goes and takes with him seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter and dwell there; and the last state of that man is worse than the first. So shall it also be with this wicked generation."
We are shown that Jesus not only taught with authority he acted with authority. (Luk 4:32-37 NKJV):
And they were astonished at His teaching, for His word was with authority.
Now in the synagogue there was a man who had a spirit of an unclean demon. And he cried out with a loud voice, saying, "Let us alone! What have we to do with You, Jesus of Nazareth? Did You come to destroy us? I know who You are--the Holy One of God!"
But Jesus rebuked him, saying, "Be quiet, and come out of him!"
And when the demon had thrown him in their midst, it came out of him and did not hurt him. Then they were all amazed and spoke among themselves, saying, "What a word this is! For with authority and power He commands the unclean spirits, and they come out."
Now in the synagogue there was a man who had a spirit of an unclean demon. And he cried out with a loud voice, saying, "Let us alone! What have we to do with You, Jesus of Nazareth? Did You come to destroy us? I know who You are--the Holy One of God!"
But Jesus rebuked him, saying, "Be quiet, and come out of him!"
And when the demon had thrown him in their midst, it came out of him and did not hurt him. Then they were all amazed and spoke among themselves, saying, "What a word this is! For with authority and power He commands the unclean spirits, and they come out."
This same power, this same authority was given (delivered) into the hands of the disciples (who were then only babes in Christ). (Mar 3:11-15 KJV):
"And unclean spirits, when they saw him, fell down before him, and cried, saying, Thou art the Son of God. And he straitly charged them that they should not make him known.
And he goeth up into a mountain, and calleth unto him whom he would: and they came unto him. And he ordained twelve, that they should be with him, and that he might send them forth to preach, and to have power to heal sicknesses, and to cast out devils"
And he goeth up into a mountain, and calleth unto him whom he would: and they came unto him. And he ordained twelve, that they should be with him, and that he might send them forth to preach, and to have power to heal sicknesses, and to cast out devils"
"What a word this is!"
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Deavonreye
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Disagree with psychology if you want, . . . but it is hardly dogmatic. Science is not absolute. It is christianity that is dogmatic about the "works of demons" especially when no one can even prove their existence. As I said, . . . first prove the extraordinary, then we can move forward from there.
Let me put it another way. If someone says that he is communicating and being influenced by faeries, you will call that person crazy. How are we supposed to look at "demons"?
Let me put it another way. If someone says that he is communicating and being influenced by faeries, you will call that person crazy. How are we supposed to look at "demons"?