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The solar system supposedly formed gradually from the collapse of a cloud of gas and dust. Obviously, this idea is at odds with the biblical creation narrative.
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[__ Science __ ] What about the Origin of the Solar System and the Planets?
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New evidence confirms that scientists were right about the formation of the solar system.
About 4.6 billion years ago, a cloud of gas and dust that eventually formed our solar system was disturbed.
The ensuing gravitational collapse formed the proto-Sun with a surrounding disc where the planets were born. A supernova—a star exploding at the end of its life-cycle—would have enough energy to induce the collapse of such a gas cloud.
“Before this model there was only inconclusive evidence to support this theory,” Monash School of Physics and Astronomy Professor, Alexander Heger, said.
The research team, led by University of Minnesota School of Physics and Astronomy Professor Yong-Zhong Qian, decided to focus on short-lived radioactive nuclei only present in the early solar system.
Due to their short lifetimes, these nuclei could only have come from the triggering supernova. Their abundances in the early solar system have been inferred from their decay products in meteorites.
As the debris from the formation of the solar system, meteorites are comparable to the leftover bricks and mortar in a construction site. They tell us what the solar system is made of, and in particular, what short-lived nuclei the triggering supernova provided.
“Identifying these ‘fingerprints’ of the final supernova is what we needed to help us understand how the formation of the solar system was initiated,” Professor Heger said.
“The fingerprints uniquely point to a low-mass supernova as the trigger.
“The findings in this paper have opened up a whole new direction of research focusing on low-mass supernovae,” he said.
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A critical issue is the presence of elements heavier than hydrogen, helium and lithium in the objects of the solar system. Such elements are only made in the interior of stars where heat and pressure fuse them into heavier and heavier elements. Our Sun is only capable of producing elements up to carbon. But much larger stars can fuse all the other elements we have. This was good evidence that our solar system was formed when the shockwave of a nearby supernova collapsed a cloud of hydrogen and dust, and injected those heavier elements blown off by the supernova.
This is obviously not at odds with the Bible, which does not say how God made the solar system.
About 4.6 billion years ago, a cloud of gas and dust that eventually formed our solar system was disturbed.
The ensuing gravitational collapse formed the proto-Sun with a surrounding disc where the planets were born. A supernova—a star exploding at the end of its life-cycle—would have enough energy to induce the collapse of such a gas cloud.
“Before this model there was only inconclusive evidence to support this theory,” Monash School of Physics and Astronomy Professor, Alexander Heger, said.
The research team, led by University of Minnesota School of Physics and Astronomy Professor Yong-Zhong Qian, decided to focus on short-lived radioactive nuclei only present in the early solar system.
Due to their short lifetimes, these nuclei could only have come from the triggering supernova. Their abundances in the early solar system have been inferred from their decay products in meteorites.
As the debris from the formation of the solar system, meteorites are comparable to the leftover bricks and mortar in a construction site. They tell us what the solar system is made of, and in particular, what short-lived nuclei the triggering supernova provided.
“Identifying these ‘fingerprints’ of the final supernova is what we needed to help us understand how the formation of the solar system was initiated,” Professor Heger said.
“The fingerprints uniquely point to a low-mass supernova as the trigger.
“The findings in this paper have opened up a whole new direction of research focusing on low-mass supernovae,” he said.
New evidence on the formation of the solar system
A critical issue is the presence of elements heavier than hydrogen, helium and lithium in the objects of the solar system. Such elements are only made in the interior of stars where heat and pressure fuse them into heavier and heavier elements. Our Sun is only capable of producing elements up to carbon. But much larger stars can fuse all the other elements we have. This was good evidence that our solar system was formed when the shockwave of a nearby supernova collapsed a cloud of hydrogen and dust, and injected those heavier elements blown off by the supernova.
This is obviously not at odds with the Bible, which does not say how God made the solar system.
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thanks for the truth - one question evolutionists can't answer- where did time space matter come from in the first place? - the God who created these things has no problem creating everything else - kinda silly to claim evolution created all life when they can't even say where the raw material of time space and matter came from
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Darwin thought God did it. So do I. And it's the right answer. You should probably keep in mind that evolution is not about the origin of the universe. It's not about the origin of life, either. And yes, Darwin thought God did that, too.
See above. No one who knows anything about evolution, thinks that evolution "created life." Biological evolution assumes life began, and describes how it changes.
And none of that has anything to do with the way our solar system formed.
New evidence confirms that scientists were right about the formation of the solar system.
About 4.6 billion years ago, a cloud of gas and dust that eventually formed our solar system was disturbed.
The ensuing gravitational collapse formed the proto-Sun with a surrounding disc where the planets were born. A supernova—a star exploding at the end of its life-cycle—would have enough energy to induce the collapse of such a gas cloud.
“Before this model there was only inconclusive evidence to support this theory,” Monash School of Physics and Astronomy Professor, Alexander Heger, said.
The research team, led by University of Minnesota School of Physics and Astronomy Professor Yong-Zhong Qian, decided to focus on short-lived radioactive nuclei only present in the early solar system.
Due to their short lifetimes, these nuclei could only have come from the triggering supernova. Their abundances in the early solar system have been inferred from their decay products in meteorites.
As the debris from the formation of the solar system, meteorites are comparable to the leftover bricks and mortar in a construction site. They tell us what the solar system is made of, and in particular, what short-lived nuclei the triggering supernova provided.
“Identifying these ‘fingerprints’ of the final supernova is what we needed to help us understand how the formation of the solar system was initiated,” Professor Heger said.
“The fingerprints uniquely point to a low-mass supernova as the trigger.
“The findings in this paper have opened up a whole new direction of research focusing on low-mass supernovae,” he said.
New evidence on the formation of the solar system
A critical issue is the presence of elements heavier than hydrogen, helium and lithium in the objects of the solar system. Such elements are only made in the interior of stars where heat and pressure fuse them into heavier and heavier elements. Our Sun is only capable of producing elements up to carbon. But much larger stars can fuse all the other elements we have. This was good evidence that our solar system was formed when the shockwave of a nearby supernova collapsed a cloud of hydrogen and dust, and injected those heavier elements blown off by the supernova.
This is obviously not at odds with the Bible, which does not say how God made the solar system.
(Ps. 33:6) "By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth."
(Ps. 33:9) "For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast."
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Yes, God did it. But the Bible doesn't say how. The solar system is not the heavens. That is the universe itself, not our solar system, which formed after that. God used nature to do almost everything in this world.
Yes the Bible says how. I just showed you. (Ps. 33:6,9) He spoke it into existence.
There was no nature until God spoke it into existence.
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The universe, but not the solar system, which appeared later. By natural means, which is the way God does most things in this world.
And there was no solar system until God created by the explosion of a nearby supernova that began it.
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No, there is no 'natural means' until God speaks things into existence. Are you saying natural means existed before God and that God just used them? If not, then where did the natural means come from?
There was no nothing until God spake the universe into existence. No explosion without God having already created the universe.
Your faith is in science. Not God. And science always changes it's mind because it is ever learning.
Quantrill
No, there is no 'natural means' until God speaks things into existence. Are you saying natural means existed before God and that God just used them? If not, then where did the natural means come from?
There was no nothing until God spake the universe into existence. No explosion without God having already created the universe.
Your faith is in science. Not God. And science always changes it's mind because it is ever learning.
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The universe, he spoke into existence. That's a metaphor, BTW; God has no vocal cords or tongue or teeth to speak. But as you learned, the solar system, He made by natural means.
God created nature. That's why He uses it in His creation.
If you place your faith in science, then one of us has. I'm just showing you what God says in Genesis. Let God be God and let it be His way.
Barbarian
Again, there are no natural means until He spake them into existence.
God did create nature. He spake it into existence.
A metaphor? What a statement of unbelief. God can speak and make Himself heard whenever He wants to. That is not a metaphor.
I have no faith in science. I don't need science to tell me about the Bible. Science is incomplete knowledge. What can it offer? Nothing. It says one thing one day then changes it's mind the next.
You haven't showed me anything of what God says in (Genesis). You have given your 'opinion' which is easily proven wrong by the Scriptures. And you have shown you don't know the Scriptures.
I do let God be God. And God spake the universe into existence. (Ps. 33:6,9)
Quantrill
Again, there are no natural means until He spake them into existence.
God did create nature. He spake it into existence.
A metaphor? What a statement of unbelief. God can speak and make Himself heard whenever He wants to. That is not a metaphor.
I have no faith in science. I don't need science to tell me about the Bible. Science is incomplete knowledge. What can it offer? Nothing. It says one thing one day then changes it's mind the next.
You haven't showed me anything of what God says in (Genesis). You have given your 'opinion' which is easily proven wrong by the Scriptures. And you have shown you don't know the Scriptures.
I do let God be God. And God spake the universe into existence. (Ps. 33:6,9)
Quantrill
Yet He spoke throughout Scripture and man understood Him. Just because God is Spirit doesn't mean He doesn't speak. And when He speaks to man, He is understood by man.
And concerning the universe when He spake, it was created.
(Ps. 33:6) "By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth."
(Ps. 33:9) "For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast."
So says the Scripture.
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The universe did not depend on sound waves from God. His creation proceeds according to His will.
God can produce a voice when necessary; St. Paul had one such moment, but the voice of God that led him on thereafter was by inspiration, rather than vocal.
God can produce a voice when necessary; St. Paul had one such moment, but the voice of God that led him on thereafter was by inspiration, rather than vocal.
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great truth - God is awesome - believing Him on any topic is the wisest most solid decision
(Psalms 33:6) (Psalm 33:9)
God spake the universe into existence. Scripture is against you. Worse....you don't believe the Scripture.
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I don't believe what you've added to scripture. But that's something entirely different.
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I'm told that there isn't a consensus on that issue among Jewish theologians. Was I misinformed? What are their thoughts on those verses?