[__ Science __ ] What about the Origin of the Solar System and the Planets?

[Quantrill]

I don't believe what you've added to scripture. But that's something entirely different.

Really? Did I add (Ps. 33:6) and (Ps. 33:9) to Scripture?

You just don't believe the Scripture.

Quantrill

 

[jasonc]

I'm told that there isn't a consensus on that issue among Jewish theologians. Was I misinformed? What are their thoughts on those verses?

it's the names given to animals by Adam and the Name of God

yod,the tiniest of letters ,all letters start with it,its in the Name
the Hey,we breathe with the letter Hey,its the sound in all letters, its the Name .the Vah, the God coming down into us kicking out sin ,or us reaching up grabbing God ,the letter is in the Name

 

[Barbarian]

Really? Did I add (Ps. 33:6) and (Ps. 33:9) to Scripture?

You added your new interpretation to it.

You just don't believe the Scripture.

I don't believe your interpretation.

 

[Quantrill]

You added your new interpretation to it.

I don't believe your interpretation.

Here is what (Ps. 33:6) says. "By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth."

Here is what (Ps. 33:9) says. "For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast."

Here is my interpretation. God spake the universe into existence.

It is not my interpretation you don't believe. You don't believe the testimony of the Bible. It's not me you are arguing with.

Quantrill

 

[Barbarian]

Here is what (Ps. 33:6) says. "By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth."

As you know, Jesus says that God is a spirit.
John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

And He says a spirit has no body.
Luke 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

So if Jesus speaks the truth, then that verse is a metaphor, not a literal description. I believe the Bible; you believe your own interpretations.

Your interpretation is that Jesus is wrong. It's not me you are arguing with.

 

[Truthfrees]

Really? Did I add (Ps. 33:6) and (Ps. 33:9) to Scripture?

You just don't believe the Scripture.

Quantrill

some people believe most of or even the entire bible is allegory/poetry rather than literal

when we take it literally we are told we are misinterpreting

allegorical bible = allegorical God?

funny how the prophets said "this is the word of God" not the "allegory" of God

 

[Truthfrees]

Here is what (Ps. 33:6) says. "By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth."

Here is what (Ps. 33:9) says. "For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast."

Here is my interpretation. God spake the universe into existence.

It is not my interpretation you don't believe. You don't believe the testimony of the Bible. It's not me you are arguing with.

Quantrill

the allegorical interpretation is open to strange ideology

 

[Quantrill]

As you know, Jesus says that God is a spirit.
John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

And He says a spirit has no body.
Luke 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

So if Jesus speaks the truth, then that verse is a metaphor, not a literal description. I believe the Bible; you believe your own interpretations.

Your interpretation is that Jesus is wrong. It's not me you are arguing with.

We are talking here about the universe. How that God spake it into existence. How that (Ps. 33:6) and (Ps. 33:9) prove it.

Now you want to talk about God being a Spirit. Why? Because Scripture is clear that God spake the universe into existence and you don't have a leg to stand on. Plus, you stated in the thread 'is God male or female' that you were done. Now you try instead to bring that over to this thread.

Instead of acknowledging that you are wrong, you opt to try and change the subject to one that you formerly indicated you were done.

Your unbelief knows no bounds.

Quantrill

 

[Quantrill]

some people believe most of or even the entire bible is allegory/poetry rather than literal

when we take it literally we are told we are misinterpreting

allegorical bible = allegorical God?

funny how the prophets said "this is the word of God" not the "allegory" of God

the allegorical interpretation is open to strange ideology

Amen to that.

Quantrill

 

[Barbarian]

We are talking here about the universe. How that God spake it into existence. How that (Ps. 33:6) and (Ps. 33:9) prove it.

Now you want to talk about God being a Spirit. Why? Because Scripture is clear that God spake the universe into existence and you don't have a leg to stand on.

As you see, Jesus disagrees with you. He says that God has no body. Hence no vocal cords. Incidentally, at the beginning there was no air, either, so even if He had a body, there would have been no sound.

Why not just accept scripture as it is? Let God be God and accept it as He gave it to you?

 

[jasonc]

the allegorical interpretation is open to strange ideology

not that I disagree fully but

Jewish usages of words and ideas in Hebrew thouight arent to be taken as the Greek did

Jesus ,the son of God .
DIid God have a Godess to have a son with ?

these are relationships and such like .

 

[Quantrill]

As you see, Jesus disagrees with you. He says that God has no body. Hence no vocal cords. Incidentally, at the beginning there was no air, either, so even if He had a body, there would have been no sound.

Why not just accept scripture as it is? Let God be God and accept it as He gave it to you?

You've already lost that argument. And, now, you admit you've lost this argument about the origin of the universe as you have abandoned it and tried to change the subject.

If you want to continue to argue over whether God is male or female, take it back to the topic. I will continue it.

You have an empty hand. You have nothing but unbelief.

Quantrill

 

[Barbarian]

And now you've given up any hope of presenting a Biblically-sound argument,and are just making unsupported assertions. For the obvious reason:
You have an empty hand. You have nothing but unbelief.

Let God be God, and listen to Him, instead of your own desires.

 

[Quantrill]

And now you've given up any hope of presenting a Biblically-sound argument,and are just making unsupported assertions. For the obvious reason:
You have an empty hand. You have nothing but unbelief.

Let God be God, and listen to Him, instead of your own desires.

Unsupported? (Ps. 33:6) (Ps. 33:9) supports it. Very plain. God spake the universe into existence.

Sorry about your science.

Quantrill

 

[Barbarian]

Now you've confused the solar system with the universe. As you learned, God used existing creation to create our solar system, just as He used existing creation to bring forth life.

Gen. 1:24 And God said: Let the earth bring forth the living creature in its kind, cattle and creeping things, and beasts of the earth, according to their kinds. And it was so done.

God uses nature to do almost everything in this world. That's what He made it for.

 

[Quantrill]

Now you've confused the solar system with the universe. As you learned, God used existing creation to create our solar system, just as He used existing creation to bring forth life.

Gen. 1:24 And God said: Let the earth bring forth the living creature in its kind, cattle and creeping things, and beasts of the earth, according to their kinds. And it was so done.

God uses nature to do almost everything in this world. That's what He made it for.

(Ps. 33:6) (Ps. 33:9) God spake the universe into existence.

No, I didn't learn that. You continue with your lies sayin 'as you learned'. It is nothing but a lie on your part as I reject your statements. What I have learned is that you reject the Bible. You accept your science. And when the two contradict, you believe your science.

The nature God used was created by Him before He could ever use it. Man was created of the dust of the ground. The dust of the ground was already spake into existence by God.

Concerning the universe, God spake it into existence. There was no nature till God spake it into existence. And that is the point of our discussion.

Quantrill

 

[Barbarian]

I don't think this discussion is doing anyone any good now. We've shown you the evidence and the scripture, but you prefer your own ideas. So let's leave it at that.

 

[Truthfrees]

not that I disagree fully but

Jewish usages of words and ideas in Hebrew thouight arent to be taken as the Greek did

Jesus ,the son of God .
DIid God have a Godess to have a son with ?

these are relationships and such like .

jewish thought is multi layered -PARDES - which avoids the mistake of making everything allegorical

in jewish thought you always take it literal - then you can go deeper from there to get deeper rich powerful meaning from God's amazing words

when a person searches each layer of God's word without disregarding the literal they can become very wise

• Peshat (פְּשָׁט‎) – "surface" ("straight") or the literal (direct) meaning.[1]
• Remez (רֶמֶז‎) – "hints" or the deep (allegoric: hidden or symbolic) meaning beyond just the literal sense.
• Derash (דְּרַשׁ‎) – from Hebrew darash: "inquire" ("seek") – the comparative (midrashic) meaning, as given through similar occurrences.
• Sod (סוֹד‎) (pronounced with a long O as in 'lore') – "secret" ("mystery") or the esoteric/mystical meaning, as given through inspiration or revelation.

Pardes (Jewish exegesis) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Truthfrees]

(Ps. 33:6) (Ps. 33:9) God spake the universe into existence.

No, I didn't learn that. You continue with your lies sayin 'as you learned'. It is nothing but a lie on your part as I reject your statements. What I have learned is that you reject the Bible. You accept your science. And when the two contradict, you believe your science.

The nature God used was created by Him before He could ever use it. Man was created of the dust of the ground. The dust of the ground was already spake into existence by God.

Concerning the universe, God spake it into existence. There was no nature till God spake it into existence. And that is the point of our discussion.

Quantrill

evolution ignores the fact God made the original time space matter and quantum jump to evolution created life

facing the origins of time space matter would show them God didn't need millions of years - He created everything with a word - pretty awesome God we serve

 

[jasonc]

jewish thought is multi layered -PARDES - which avoids the mistake of making everything allegorical

in jewish thought you always take it literal - then you can go deeper from there to get deeper rich powerful meaning from God's amazing words

when a person searches each layer of God's word without disregarding the literal they can become very wise

• Peshat (פְּשָׁט‎) – "surface" ("straight") or the literal (direct) meaning.[1]
• Remez (רֶמֶז‎) – "hints" or the deep (allegoric: hidden or symbolic) meaning beyond just the literal sense.
• Derash (דְּרַשׁ‎) – from Hebrew darash: "inquire" ("seek") – the comparative (midrashic) meaning, as given through similar occurrences.
• Sod (סוֹד‎) (pronounced with a long O as in 'lore') – "secret" ("mystery") or the esoteric/mystical meaning, as given through inspiration or revelation.

Pardes (Jewish exegesis) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

even with that ,you don't see them,thinking God has bowels,genetalia.

imagery ,if Jesus has,body of flesh in heaven ,then how he omnipresent ?
or is he the seven eyed ,seven headed literal lamb that died for our sins ?

or Him who sat on the throne,the ancient of days ?

answer all of that .