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What church do you attend?
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Nikki
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Featherbop,
You want proof that SDA is a cult, well I want proof that Baptists are a cult!
PROOF......not just your opinion. I used to attend a Southern Baptist church, but left after the preacher told me and my husband that there was no hope for us and to go our seperate ways. What preacher in their right mind would say that??!!! But, there were other Southern Baptist preachers that think that that particular preacher was nuts also.
It all comes down to the PREACHERS and their teachings/beliefs. One Southern Baptist preacher may teach one thing, while another teaches something else.
I still want PROOF that Baptists are cults. I've been a Baptist for many years now.
BTW....I don't attend a church on a regular basis and haven't for a long time now.
You want proof that SDA is a cult, well I want proof that Baptists are a cult!
PROOF......not just your opinion. I used to attend a Southern Baptist church, but left after the preacher told me and my husband that there was no hope for us and to go our seperate ways. What preacher in their right mind would say that??!!! But, there were other Southern Baptist preachers that think that that particular preacher was nuts also.
It all comes down to the PREACHERS and their teachings/beliefs. One Southern Baptist preacher may teach one thing, while another teaches something else.
I still want PROOF that Baptists are cults. I've been a Baptist for many years now.
BTW....I don't attend a church on a regular basis and haven't for a long time now.
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I attend a Religious Society of Friends (The Quakers) meetinghouse. A summary of our doctrine can be found here: _________________ . We have no doctrine... I'm so clever. :bday:
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witchy_womyn
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I am a practicing Wiccan of he Dianic Path and I currently attend he Church of Witchy_womyn. I see no need to follow organized religion.
Featherbop
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sillynikki said:
well, "proof" is a pretty easy word to use. I know I've said southern baptists were a cult before. Not all are cult churches though, I've just found that some were, abusive, false, mean members, snotty members, bigotry, was in some churches. They were neither teaching true christian doctrines, not being a Christ-like example for other people. Proof is highly up to the each person to decide about matters liek these.
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I don't attend church at the moment. I can probably count on one hand, the number of times I've been to church in the last year. It's just the way things have worked out. I'll be back in one as soon as I find one.
witchy_womyn,
Nothing wrong with a spiritual path, but the wrong side of the spiritual is deadly.
witchy_womyn,
Nothing wrong with a spiritual path, but the wrong side of the spiritual is deadly.
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sillynikki said:
Right.
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I belong to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. I have a testimony that Jesus is the Christ, that his atoning sacrifice gives us the opportunity to live with our Heavenly Father again. Christ is my personal savior, to whom I am in eternal debt. I have a testimony of the Holy Bible and the Book of Mormon. They both contain eternal truths and a path for salvation.
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Ms.Babylon
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I attend a Catholic Church.
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KathiSharpe
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Occult practices are actually (usually) *quite* select. I say that with a couple of contexts of the word:
- practices and traditions are often very precise and require definitive teaching. While certainly someone can read FluffWitch and become Wiccan in an afternoon, there's *REALLY* a lot more to it. Deeper occultists acknowledge that there's much hard work involved. Further, not everyone can be a witch. Many try (a la FluffWitch) but when there's seriousness involved, there's a great weeding out process that happens.
- Most pagans and occultists "select" - or choose - their path very carefully. Many do have a pass through Christianity (usually in childhood), and when something didn't "click" there for whatever reason, they explore the alternatives to fill that gaping spiritual hole in themselves. Most look into Buddhism, Hindi beliefs, and an assortment of New Age practices before settling into a pagan path.
There's more I could add, but no time to write an essay this afternoon.
I used to be pagan, which is why I know about this stuff...It's amazing to see Romans 8:28 at work in my life today. I have been saved for just under 4 years. I attend Calvary Church in the Triad of North Carolina, which is an Assemblies of God fellowship.
- practices and traditions are often very precise and require definitive teaching. While certainly someone can read FluffWitch and become Wiccan in an afternoon, there's *REALLY* a lot more to it. Deeper occultists acknowledge that there's much hard work involved. Further, not everyone can be a witch. Many try (a la FluffWitch) but when there's seriousness involved, there's a great weeding out process that happens.
- Most pagans and occultists "select" - or choose - their path very carefully. Many do have a pass through Christianity (usually in childhood), and when something didn't "click" there for whatever reason, they explore the alternatives to fill that gaping spiritual hole in themselves. Most look into Buddhism, Hindi beliefs, and an assortment of New Age practices before settling into a pagan path.
There's more I could add, but no time to write an essay this afternoon.
I used to be pagan, which is why I know about this stuff...It's amazing to see Romans 8:28 at work in my life today. I have been saved for just under 4 years.
I attend Calvary Church in the Triad of North Carolina, which is an Assemblies of God fellowship.
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Hello,
Thanks for answering. I almost immediately saw the word 'select' as meaning superior. It just sort fit right into the context of what was being said. :-?
Four+ years here too. 18 years spent in the RCC. Another 13 or 14 years delving into many of the very same things you mentioned above. Got into astrology for a few years.
Read the Bible on and off for several years after that before I was 'saved'. It still amazes this self-proclaimed agnostic (me) that He cares enough for us sinners that He literally picks us up out of the depths of this fallen world and places us at the foot of the cross. :D
I am as radical in my Faith as I was a 'radical' on the other side of the chasm. :wink:
Thanks for answering. I almost immediately saw the word 'select' as meaning superior. It just sort fit right into the context of what was being said. :-?
Four+ years here too. 18 years spent in the RCC. Another 13 or 14 years delving into many of the very same things you mentioned above. Got into astrology for a few years.
Read the Bible on and off for several years after that before I was 'saved'. It still amazes this self-proclaimed agnostic (me) that He cares enough for us sinners that He literally picks us up out of the depths of this fallen world and places us at the foot of the cross. :D I am as radical in my Faith as I was a 'radical' on the other side of the chasm. :wink:
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Henry
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said--I have a testimony that Jesus is the Christ, that his atoning sacrifice gives us the opportunity to live with our Heavenly Father again.
Uhmm a few problems with this statement, Jesus does not give us an opportunity he made the way clear. We are GAURANTEED into heaven because of Jesus death on the Cross and his resurection.
And what is with the again part, we where never in heaven to start with, actually the heaven we will be in does not even exist yet, and will be on the new earth. We do not exist before we are born. So there is not again.
Besides, it is not to be in the presence of heavenly father and total mormon term, but in the presence of God, who is father son and holy spirit, not three but one. I know that in the mormon teaching Jesus is the ruler of the nextr lower heaven, which is not true at all.
said--I have a testimony of the Holy Bible and the Book of Mormon. They both contain eternal truths and a path for salvation.Back to top
A testimony? You mean a gut feeling don't you, I know the drill "pray that the bom is true and God will give you a burining in the belly"
Well, the bible is certainly backed by history and proven to be true again and again by archeaology, the bom however does not have the same evidence to back it, actually there is not one single peace of archealogical evidence that backs that book of mormon.
The Smithsonian, while denying the Godly inspiration of the bible does acknowledge that is have been shown to be very historicall accurate, enough to use in archealogy digs, the bom however is said to have not historical backing at all and is a fable.
Not to mention the fact that the mormon teachings are in contradiction to the bibles teachings, for example tha idea that men can become gods, and that God was once a man, is so far from the teachings of the bible, such a thing is nothing short of heresy.
How can two teaching that are quite contrary to one another be true, how can God say in one book there is not other God, and he is not a man. While another time he says there are many gods, and he was a man at one time.
A true and honest reading of the bible, has opened the eyes of many mormons who have been fooled by this "testimony" and they are now in the grace and love of the Lord Jesus, will you be one of them
Anyways, your testimony should be based in facst and not in a buring belly, for that take some tums.
said--I have a testimony that Jesus is the Christ, that his atoning sacrifice gives us the opportunity to live with our Heavenly Father again.
Uhmm a few problems with this statement, Jesus does not give us an opportunity he made the way clear. We are GAURANTEED into heaven because of Jesus death on the Cross and his resurection.
And what is with the again part, we where never in heaven to start with, actually the heaven we will be in does not even exist yet, and will be on the new earth. We do not exist before we are born. So there is not again.
Besides, it is not to be in the presence of heavenly father and total mormon term, but in the presence of God, who is father son and holy spirit, not three but one. I know that in the mormon teaching Jesus is the ruler of the nextr lower heaven, which is not true at all.
said--I have a testimony of the Holy Bible and the Book of Mormon. They both contain eternal truths and a path for salvation.Back to top
A testimony? You mean a gut feeling don't you, I know the drill "pray that the bom is true and God will give you a burining in the belly"
Well, the bible is certainly backed by history and proven to be true again and again by archeaology, the bom however does not have the same evidence to back it, actually there is not one single peace of archealogical evidence that backs that book of mormon.
The Smithsonian, while denying the Godly inspiration of the bible does acknowledge that is have been shown to be very historicall accurate, enough to use in archealogy digs, the bom however is said to have not historical backing at all and is a fable.
Not to mention the fact that the mormon teachings are in contradiction to the bibles teachings, for example tha idea that men can become gods, and that God was once a man, is so far from the teachings of the bible, such a thing is nothing short of heresy.
How can two teaching that are quite contrary to one another be true, how can God say in one book there is not other God, and he is not a man. While another time he says there are many gods, and he was a man at one time.
A true and honest reading of the bible, has opened the eyes of many mormons who have been fooled by this "testimony" and they are now in the grace and love of the Lord Jesus, will you be one of them
Anyways, your testimony should be based in facst and not in a buring belly, for that take some tums.
I am officially a member of a "Continuing" Anglican Church, which separated from the mainline Episcopal Church in 1978. We use only the 1928 Book of Common Prayer, do not "ordain" women as Bishops, Priests, or Deacons, and adhere to traditional Christian doctrine.
I have no prob with any Bible-accepting Church where Jesus Christ is Lord. But, due to my culture and upbringing as Roman Catholic, I vastly prefer a liturgical church with all of the bells and smells.
Whoever said Baptists are a cult is a horse's petoot.
I have no prob with any Bible-accepting Church where Jesus Christ is Lord. But, due to my culture and upbringing as Roman Catholic, I vastly prefer a liturgical church with all of the bells and smells.
Whoever said Baptists are a cult is a horse's petoot.
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GOD'S ARMY said:
The very cover of the Book of Mormon should make you aware that it is a false prophecy:
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GOD'S ARMY
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It sure is nice to see so much love in the room.
Henry: We obviosly see the atonement differently. When I read the bible I see things like faith, doing the will of the father, grace, mercy. I hope these are things we have in common. The way I see it we were given a pretty good description of what is expected of us. The sermon on the mount gives me a good indication of what that is. I'm not going to fight with you on this because there seems to be enough anger on this "Christian" board already.
The again part is my belief that we all have our own individual spirit. That spirit was born of God. You don't have to believe it. As a matter of fact don't take my word for it either. Pray about it.
I don't believe Jesus Christ is the ruler of the "next lower heaven." What I do believe is the Bible that clearly lays out that Christ was the only begotten son in the flesh. He was the first spirit child of our Father in heaven. The Father, Son and Holy Ghost are one in purpose.Those are only a few items in which we disagree.
Do you ever pray for an answer to something that is unknown? Well I do all the time. The burning in the bossom and prayer over the scriptures comes from James. That is in the Bible that you believe in correct? Try it. See what happens. It is called a manifestation by the Holy Spirit. Do you believe in personal revelation? I do.
I'm not an archeaologist, but I have looked into the origins of the Bible and those archeaologists and scholars seem to think that the Bible had more to it, but that many pieces were left out. Some pieces made the final cut and others did not. Sounds like something to pray about.
I happen to see the Bible and Book of Mormon as being companions. They bring out the best in eachother. They help clarify things. You don't have to belive it, but it is my God given right to proclaim it.
I will take your advice on the tums. Maybe I've been decieved for all these years by indigestion.
My testimony is based on both truth and the unknown that I hold to be true. I have faith in Jesus Christ. I follow the teachings that he has given to us. I may not be perfect, but the constant companionship of the Holy Ghost tells me that I can.
You don't have to believe me. Find out for yourself. Prayer works. Test yourself.
Jesus Christ is my personal savior and I will work and have faith every day so that I can honor his sacrifice for me.
Henry: We obviosly see the atonement differently. When I read the bible I see things like faith, doing the will of the father, grace, mercy. I hope these are things we have in common. The way I see it we were given a pretty good description of what is expected of us. The sermon on the mount gives me a good indication of what that is. I'm not going to fight with you on this because there seems to be enough anger on this "Christian" board already.
The again part is my belief that we all have our own individual spirit. That spirit was born of God. You don't have to believe it. As a matter of fact don't take my word for it either. Pray about it.
I don't believe Jesus Christ is the ruler of the "next lower heaven." What I do believe is the Bible that clearly lays out that Christ was the only begotten son in the flesh. He was the first spirit child of our Father in heaven. The Father, Son and Holy Ghost are one in purpose.Those are only a few items in which we disagree.
Do you ever pray for an answer to something that is unknown? Well I do all the time. The burning in the bossom and prayer over the scriptures comes from James. That is in the Bible that you believe in correct? Try it. See what happens. It is called a manifestation by the Holy Spirit. Do you believe in personal revelation? I do.
I'm not an archeaologist, but I have looked into the origins of the Bible and those archeaologists and scholars seem to think that the Bible had more to it, but that many pieces were left out. Some pieces made the final cut and others did not. Sounds like something to pray about.
I happen to see the Bible and Book of Mormon as being companions. They bring out the best in eachother. They help clarify things. You don't have to belive it, but it is my God given right to proclaim it.
I will take your advice on the tums. Maybe I've been decieved for all these years by indigestion.
My testimony is based on both truth and the unknown that I hold to be true. I have faith in Jesus Christ. I follow the teachings that he has given to us. I may not be perfect, but the constant companionship of the Holy Ghost tells me that I can.
You don't have to believe me. Find out for yourself. Prayer works. Test yourself.
Jesus Christ is my personal savior and I will work and have faith every day so that I can honor his sacrifice for me.
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evanman
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Why do people always take any form of argument against what they believe as an attack on them?
We are taught in the scriptures that we must love people, one act of love is to warn them if they are caught in doctrinal error.
We are taught in the scriptures that we must love people, one act of love is to warn them if they are caught in doctrinal error.
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I notice that you said you do not attend any church, I have several friends that are the same way at this time. They would say they are going, but when day comes they are no where to be found.
Well, I am ordained and one day I though. Why not hold Church in our house, and do it so that these who will not go to a church for what ever reason can come here. Then at leaste they will get corporate worship and fellowship, much needed.
So, that is what we did. At the first service we have four unexpected foks show up, who are not Christians, and two of them anwered the alter call. Is that cool or what?
Our second service is tomarow, and we are expecting a few "devoted catholics" to attend, and a couple of "jack mormons". I will be speaking on the sin issue and the cross, so it should be interesting to be sure.
You might pray for us by they way.
You sure know your stuff, what would stop you from doing the same. I thought at first that the idea would be laughed at and rejected, but people where excited and look at who is comeing, none beleivers, catholic, jack mormons and so on.
Anways, just wanted to tell you that.
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LOL guy, listen the teaching of the mormon church is not the teaching of the bible, and there is now way to reconcile the two.
The bible does not teach that God was once a man and the bible does not teach that man can become gods, rather the bible teached that there is only ONE true God, he has always been God and never will there any other God besides him.
So, when you say heavenly father, you are refereing to a man who became a god, and that is not the God of the bible. And if the mormon teachings end up with a different god then that of the bible, then certainly the mormon text can not be in line with the bible..
Then we have Jesus, who is God, not a god, but very GOD and creator. Your church teaches that he was the first born, and also became a god like his father before him, and his before him and so on. And that Jesus is the brother of satan.
Well, the bibles teaches that Jesus is the creator himself, and he is not the brother of satan but his maker.
So again the mormon teachings are not the teaching of the bible.
Now, this praying thing. Sorry but we do not pray for new revelation, we pray to understand the revelation that is given to us in the bible. And the bible alone, since the litterature of the mormons lead to a different god, as I have shown, we can not say they are inspire.
Jesus is God, he became a man to pay the price for our sins on the CROSS. And is by the grace of God and through faith alone that we are saved.
By the way, I wonder if everyone here knows that the mormons teach that satans tempting eve was really a good thing, so we can all be exhalted to gods too. Or that in the temple they protray the christian pastor as the lacky of satan, and that the teahing of saved by grace is of the devil. I wonder if anyone knows these things.
Listen all you have to do, is just read the bible one page at a time, fully and in context and if you honestly do that you will find the truth, you do not need to pray for indegestion to learn what is true and what is not, God already told us.
Oh, by the way the so called lost books are a mormon idea, and is not something widely held at all. Besides even so, the ones that we have still lead a different direction then the BOM and POGP and DOC do, so that arguments sinks fast guy.
I notice that you said you do not attend any church, I have several friends that are the same way at this time. They would say they are going, but when day comes they are no where to be found.
Well, I am ordained and one day I though. Why not hold Church in our house, and do it so that these who will not go to a church for what ever reason can come here. Then at leaste they will get corporate worship and fellowship, much needed.
So, that is what we did. At the first service we have four unexpected foks show up, who are not Christians, and two of them anwered the alter call. Is that cool or what?
Our second service is tomarow, and we are expecting a few "devoted catholics" to attend, and a couple of "jack mormons". I will be speaking on the sin issue and the cross, so it should be interesting to be sure.
You might pray for us by they way.
You sure know your stuff, what would stop you from doing the same. I thought at first that the idea would be laughed at and rejected, but people where excited and look at who is comeing, none beleivers, catholic, jack mormons and so on.
Anways, just wanted to tell you that.
GOD'S ARMY
LOL guy, listen the teaching of the mormon church is not the teaching of the bible, and there is now way to reconcile the two.
The bible does not teach that God was once a man and the bible does not teach that man can become gods, rather the bible teached that there is only ONE true God, he has always been God and never will there any other God besides him.
So, when you say heavenly father, you are refereing to a man who became a god, and that is not the God of the bible. And if the mormon teachings end up with a different god then that of the bible, then certainly the mormon text can not be in line with the bible..
Then we have Jesus, who is God, not a god, but very GOD and creator. Your church teaches that he was the first born, and also became a god like his father before him, and his before him and so on. And that Jesus is the brother of satan.
Well, the bibles teaches that Jesus is the creator himself, and he is not the brother of satan but his maker.
So again the mormon teachings are not the teaching of the bible.
Now, this praying thing. Sorry but we do not pray for new revelation, we pray to understand the revelation that is given to us in the bible. And the bible alone, since the litterature of the mormons lead to a different god, as I have shown, we can not say they are inspire.
Jesus is God, he became a man to pay the price for our sins on the CROSS. And is by the grace of God and through faith alone that we are saved.
By the way, I wonder if everyone here knows that the mormons teach that satans tempting eve was really a good thing, so we can all be exhalted to gods too. Or that in the temple they protray the christian pastor as the lacky of satan, and that the teahing of saved by grace is of the devil. I wonder if anyone knows these things.
Listen all you have to do, is just read the bible one page at a time, fully and in context and if you honestly do that you will find the truth, you do not need to pray for indegestion to learn what is true and what is not, God already told us.
Oh, by the way the so called lost books are a mormon idea, and is not something widely held at all. Besides even so, the ones that we have still lead a different direction then the BOM and POGP and DOC do, so that arguments sinks fast guy.