What Commandments are in force FOREVER?

[Drew]

The following is proof that the experience Paul wrote about in Romans 7 was not his present experience while writing Romans; it was before he came to Christ, and while he still lived under the Law of Moses.

Well, tie me to an ant hill and smother me with honey.......

You are the first person I have encountered in this (and other boards) that sees Romans 7 the same way I do - as Paul's reflection on the status of himself (or more generally, the Jew) living under the law of Moses.

I have not read the rest of your post in detail (at least not yet). For now, I simply want to heartily endorse your statements (above) about Romans 7 in particular.

 

[Rick W]

One thing at a time then for I have to go to work. I work evenings.

THE SOWER...YOU USED TO PROVE YOU CANNOT LOSE SALVATION???

My quest was not to prove one cannot lose their salvation. That's entirely your assumption.

Depends on where the seeds fall. Yes, we are in agreement.
That is why I asked you, "Do you know where your seed has fallen?"

I'll have to look at the post in detail later tonight.

 

[dadof10]

Oh, sorry. I should have gone after the "obligation" aspect... I knew that, my mistake

This is simple... God cannot lie (Tit.1:2; Heb.6:18) and has never sinned (2 Cor.5:21; 1 Pt.2:22; 1 Jn.3:5). Everything written in the Bible is true. Everything God has promised, whether of curses for disobedience or blessings for obedience, He is obligated to act upon every time. If He did not, then He would be showing favoritism, partiality, or respect to person, which He does not do (2 Sam.14:14; 2 Chr.19:7; Acts 10:34; Rom.2:11; Eph.6:9; Col.3:25; 1 Pt.1:17). If God did not enforce everyone of His words, then He would be a liar and unjust. God would be a transgressor, a sinner, and guilty (Jas.2:9-10).

Heb.5:9 -And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

2 Thess.1:8 -In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

If God says eternal salvation is for those who repent from sin, turning from their wicked ways, and follow Christ in obedience, then He is obligated to do so, lest He is a liar. But no lie is of the truth (1 Jn.2:21), and He is Truth (Jn.14:6). There is absolutely zero darkness in light (1 Jn.1:5). All liars are condemned (Rev.21:8, 27; 22:15). God is no liar (Tit.1:2; Heb.6:18) ;therefore, He is obligated to fulfill ALL HIS promises, whether for curses to the disobedient, or blessings to the obedient... simple right?

I have been busy lately so this may have already been covered. I'll put in my two cents anyway.

No, God cannot lie. He is truthful, however, not from His "virtue", so to speak, but from His very Nature. He is omnipresent, omnipotent and omniscient. He cannot lie because to do so would make the lie Truth. God is outside of time, He is in the eternal Now.

Everything God has promised, whether of curses for disobedience or blessings for obedience, He is obligated to act upon every time. If He did not, then He would be showing favoritism, partiality, or respect to person, which He does not do.

He is obligated to fulfill ALL HIS promises, whether for curses to the disobedient, or blessings to the obedient... simple right?

How can a Being Who is outside of time and space NOT keep His promises? He could simply "go back in time", so to speak, and change the original promise. I think if you look at it that way it puts a different prospective on God's "obligation" to us.

Another aspect is that the Law gave a set of concrete things, tasks, that were to be accomplished. The things you mention above that we must do to inherit eternal life, are not tasks, they are ways of living, which we can't do even adequately, let alone perfectly. We must rely on the Grace of God.

I agree with you that we are not justified by faith alone, I think Sola-fide is a man made false doctrine. We must, however, rely on God's grace in order to do the things that please God and bring final repentence. We are ALWAYS and in every way the debtor and God the Debt Holder.

 

[XTruth]

God doesn't ever tell us to do things we are unable to do.

The plan of all this was planned before the foundations of the world. God doesn't go back in time to change His Word. That means the Word we read today may have changed many times over. Do you believe this?

 

[dadof10]

God doesn't ever tell us to do things we are unable to do.

Right. I agree. But we can never say...keep the commandments or "obey" fully or perfectly. We can only try and ask for compassion and Grace, which is necessary for salvation.

The plan of all this was planned before the foundations of the world.

Right. Because God is omniscient, outside of time.

God doesn't go back in time to change His Word. That means the Word we read today may have changed many times over. Do you believe this?

No, I don't, because God is not in time. It is hard for us to fully comprehend the omniscience of God. We have to use time words and phrases like "was planned before", "go back in time" and "may have changed many times over". These are not fully accurate to describe one of the aspects of God's Nature, but it's the best we fallible humans can do.

His omniscience and omnipresence is why it's impossible for God to lie or fail to keep a promise. He sees and acts in the eternal Now. This is where he is operating, while we are operating in time. Because God keeps His promises or doesn't lie really has nothing to do with obligation on His part.

 

[oneisgod]

1 Corinthians 13:13
 Now, however, there remain faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love.

Love last forever, faith & hope can be filled you can never fill love but it can fill me/you and never fail!