What do you suppose is the "mark of the beast"?

Is it something that has yet to come? And who gets anything put on their forehead? Might it be a bandana? Very strange. Here are a couple of verses from Revelations that discusses the "mark of the beast".

Revelation 13:16-17
And he causes all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free men and the slaves, to be given a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, and he provides that no one will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark, either the name of the beast or the number of his name.

Revelation 14:9-10
Then another angel, a third one, followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.

Source: https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Mark-Of-The-Beast

 

[WIP]

That's what I said, and then I was warned about violating the TOS.

Are you sure you didn't misunderstand?

 

[WIP]

Poster A: "I'm a Christian and I support abortion"

Poster B: "As a Christian, your support of abortion is, essentially, a DENIAL of your professed faith"

Moderator: "Your statement is a violation of our TOS, your post has been deleted and if you do it again you can be suspended or banned".

WIP, I happen to think that showing another Christian the error in their thinking is an acceptable and even loving thing to do. Obviously, management does not share that view. Apparently, we must keep such views to ourselves and permit our Christian brother or sister to continue to support the most heinous of sins. Oh well.

The best thing you can do in a case like this is to start a thread in the Talk With The Staff forum and provide links to the actual discussion so staff can review what you're talking about. Even what you posted above, is not complete enough to know what was written in the context of the discussion so misunderstandings are easy to come by.

 

[JLB]

No believer has anything to fear. For me I don't plan to be here.. this is not clearly written yet I live each moment He gives me for Him and looking for Him expecting Him every moment..always watching always ready.

Good for you to be ready.


I hope you are ready for the great tribulation, because that comes first.


The rapture takes place at the coming of the Lord, just after the resurrection of the dead in Christ.



For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 1 Thessalonians 4:15




JLB

 

[JLB]

That's what I said, and then I was warned about violating the TOS.

There could be a misunderstanding.

 

[EvolvingChristian]

by no means precede those who are asleep.

Who is "asleep"?

 

[WIP]

Let me ask you a question.

Can one support abortion and still be considered a follower/believer of Christ?

I don't see how.

 

[EvolvingChristian]

I don't see how.

Me neither.

 

[EvolvingChristian]

Could you show me the part that you are referring to? I don't remember anything like that.

Numbers 5:11-31

 

[JLB]

Who is "asleep"?

The dead in Christ.

 

[EvolvingChristian]

The dead in Christ.

I see. I believe that believers are immediately present with Christ and perhaps even nonbelievers.

 

[JLB]

I see. I believe that believers are immediately present with Christ and perhaps even nonbelievers.

Yes, Those who are in Christ when they die are present with the Lord in heaven, even though their bodies are dead, “asleep” in the grave.


These will return with the Lord at His coming, and receive their resurrected bodies first, then those who are alive and remain, will be caught up together with them in the air.


But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus. For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words. 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18

• concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.

• we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep.

JLB

 

[EvolvingChristian]

Yes, Those who are in Christ when they die are present with the Lord in heaven, even though their bodies are dead, “asleep” in the grave.

Thanks for elaborating. Some Christians believe that, everyone who dies, are literally DEAD and conscious of nothing until the resurrection.

 

[EvolvingChristian]

I don't see the words "womb miscarries" in the bible though, and it's not in the link you gave at post #75 - so where did you get those words from?

That's interesting. I posted a link to Bible Gateway but now I see that the link is somehow "hijacked" and takes the reader to an alternate site that uses different verbiage.

 

[EvolvingChristian]

Serving Zion

It's both funny and concerning to me that we can try and dissect a verse, disagree about its content, only to discover that we're reading two different interpretations.

Perhaps I should not use Bible Gateway?

Which version of the bible should we use?

 

[Serving Zion]

That's interesting. I posted a link to Bible Gateway but now I see that the link is somehow "hijacked" and takes the reader to an alternate site that uses different verbiage.

I think it's the smart url feature in the text editor. If you can copy the url and put some spaces uin it maybe you can trick the editor to not convert it. Or if it's just some specific version I'll look it up myself. Sounds like a translator has done naughties! ...

 

[Serving Zion]

Are you suggesting that permanently disabled people are that way because their parents lacked faith and didn't pray for them?

I didn't make that suggestion, that's a completely different question. Why are you being so uncooperative? Why not ask questions that lead on from the topic we are discussing?

 

[EvolvingChristian]

So I ask you to not submit the NIV as though it is the bible in this case because it's clearly saying a thing that isn't actually from the bible.

No problem. What bible do you recommend?

 

[Serving Zion]

No problem. What bible do you recommend?

Any translation will be fine as long as it is actually a translation and not a fabrication.

 

[EvolvingChristian]

In conclusion, the Old Testament doesn't say anything about approving of abortion, just the NIV.

Not only is it necessary to cite a verse, but the version of the Bible too!

 

[EvolvingChristian]

Why are you being so uncooperative?

Not at all. I have no idea as to why you perceive that I am being adversarial. I thought we were engaging in honest, friendly, give-and-take, discussion.