What does God think about GMO food?

[Obadiah]

Do you folks really think Isaiah was referring to a literal physical restoration of the land all over thee world to it's exact condition at some prior time in history?

 

[Ryan]

Leviticus 19:19 and Deuteronomy 22:9 are instructions and, IMHO, warnings not to mix with the natural order or process of creation. Messing around with God's creations is a form of profaning what he has provided for us. It's like saying we don't trust him to provide for us, so we will make our own means to ensure our needs are provided for. Instead of having unfailing trust God can pull out of a basket a few fish and bread to feed multitudes and multitudes of people, we are taking the focus away from God providing, to man playing god so to speak. IMHO again, I believe it is a continued perversion from the evil one to bring us further and further away from the beginning of creation from where all live began and of what it will be restored back to it's righful place.

Jeremiah 33:11
the voice of joy and the voice of gladness, the voice of the bridegroom and the voice of the bride, the voice of those who say, “Give thanks to the Lord of hosts, For the Lord is good, For His lovingkindness is everlasting”; and of those who bring a thank offering into the house of the Lord. For I will restore the fortunes of the land as they were at first,’ says the Lord

Isaiah 49:8 Thus says the Lord, “In a favorable time I have answered You, And in a day of salvation I have helped You; And I will keep You and give You for a covenant of the people, To restore the land, to make them inherit the desolate heritages;

I am sure the restoration of the land will have zero Monsanto products in it.

Given that, since God's creation of "our land," the area I live in has gone from tropical conditions, to being covered by a mile of ice with nothing growing or living in it, and is now somewhere in between, exactly what point is it to be "restored" to?

Off topic for a sec, but speaking in restoration, the earth will be restored back to Eden days. In Genesis 1:7 it speaks of a separation of the waters above, from the waters below. I believe pre-flood days the earth had a ginormous canopy over the earth, or the atmosphere was filled with water and moisture. Hence, the earth allowing one consistent temperature from one pole to the other pole.

Then the world was a different place after the flood. In Genesis 7:11 it speaks of water springing forth from both the ground and from above. If there was an expanse with water, space, then water in the atmosphere, it makes sense no rainbows could have been possible until after the flood. I also speculate there were no oceans before the days of the flood.

Revelations 21:1 Then I saw <SUP class=crossreference value='(A)'></SUP>a new heaven and a new earth; for <SUP class=crossreference value='(B)'></SUP>the first heaven and the first earth passed away, and there is no longer any sea.

No longer there being any sea ties to Genesis 1:7 of the earth having that divide between the space with waters. If we are being restored back to Eden days, it makes sense the atmosphere would have to change as we know it today to how it looked at for Adam and Eve.

 

[Ryan]

Do you folks really think Isaiah was referring to a literal physical restoration of the land all over thee world to it's exact condition at some prior time in history?

Yes.

Isaiah 40:21-22
<SUP class=versenum>21 </SUP>Do you not know?
Have you not heard?<SUP class=crossreference value='(A)'></SUP>
Has it not been told<SUP class=crossreference value='(B)'></SUP> you from the beginning?<SUP class=crossreference value='(C)'></SUP>
Have you not understood<SUP class=crossreference value='(D)'></SUP> since the earth was founded?<SUP class=crossreference value='(E)'></SUP>
<SUP class=versenum>22 </SUP>He sits enthroned<SUP class=crossreference value='(F)'></SUP> above the circle of the earth,
and its people are like grasshoppers.<SUP class=crossreference value='(G)'></SUP>
He stretches out the heavens<SUP class=crossreference value='(H)'></SUP> like a canopy,<SUP class=crossreference value='(I)'></SUP>
and spreads them out like a tent<SUP class=crossreference value='(J)'></SUP> to live in.<SUP class=crossreference value='(K)'></SUP>

 

[Obadiah]

Do you folks really think Isaiah was referring to a literal physical restoration of the land all over thee world to it's exact condition at some prior time in history?

Yes.

Isaiah 40:21-22
<sup class="versenum">21 </sup>Do you not know?
Have you not heard?<sup class="crossreference" value="(A)"></sup>
Has it not been told<sup class="crossreference" value="(B)"></sup> you from the beginning?<sup class="crossreference" value="(C)"></sup>
Have you not understood<sup class="crossreference" value="(D)"></sup> since the earth was founded?<sup class="crossreference" value="(E)"></sup>
<sup class="versenum">22 </sup>He sits enthroned<sup class="crossreference" value="(F)"></sup> above the circle of the earth,
and its people are like grasshoppers.<sup class="crossreference" value="(G)"></sup>
He stretches out the heavens<sup class="crossreference" value="(H)"></sup> like a canopy,<sup class="crossreference" value="(I)"></sup>
and spreads them out like a tent<sup class="crossreference" value="(J)"></sup> to live in.<sup class="crossreference" value="(K)"></sup>

Did you mean this scripture as support? Because I don't see where is says that. I'm not saying God doesn't have the ability, I'm asking if people here believe that he has actually said that he will do this in a literal way.

 

[Ryan]

Do you folks really think Isaiah was referring to a literal physical restoration of the land all over thee world to it's exact condition at some prior time in history?

Yes.

Isaiah 40:21-22
<sup class="versenum">21 </sup>Do you not know?
Have you not heard?<sup class="crossreference" value="(A)"></sup>
Has it not been told<sup class="crossreference" value="(B)"></sup> you from the beginning?<sup class="crossreference" value="(C)"></sup>
Have you not understood<sup class="crossreference" value="(D)"></sup> since the earth was founded?<sup class="crossreference" value="(E)"></sup>
<sup class="versenum">22 </sup>He sits enthroned<sup class="crossreference" value="(F)"></sup> above the circle of the earth,
and its people are like grasshoppers.<sup class="crossreference" value="(G)"></sup>
He stretches out the heavens<sup class="crossreference" value="(H)"></sup> like a canopy,<sup class="crossreference" value="(I)"></sup>
and spreads them out like a tent<sup class="crossreference" value="(J)"></sup> to live in.<sup class="crossreference" value="(K)"></sup>

Did you mean this scripture as support? Because I don't see where is says that. I'm not saying God doesn't have the ability, I'm asking if people here believe that he has actually said that he will do this in a literal way.

I believe this passage speaks volumes about God's plan and his restoration of not only man, but the earth as well. Isaiah 65:17 and Revelation 21:1 speak to a new heavens and earth appearing. Isaiah 46:10 is one of my favoritist verses lately as God has declared the end will be from what was at the beginning. I have heard there are anywhere from 300-500 parallels between Genesis and Revelation.

Hebrews 1:10-12 speaks to the nature of the earth, and it being in a state of decay, but in Revelation 21:4-5 the old nature of sin and curses will be passed away as will the curse of death be no more in Revelation 22:3. God has declared he wants to restore us back to the original days of Adam and Eve in the garden when there were no curses that cause death and decay.

 

[Obadiah]

Do you folks really think Isaiah was referring to a literal physical restoration of the land all over thee world to it's exact condition at some prior time in history?

Yes.

Isaiah 40:21-22
<sup class="versenum">21 </sup>Do you not know?
Have you not heard?<sup class="crossreference" value="(A)"></sup>
Has it not been told<sup class="crossreference" value="(B)"></sup> you from the beginning?<sup class="crossreference" value="(C)"></sup>
Have you not understood<sup class="crossreference" value="(D)"></sup> since the earth was founded?<sup class="crossreference" value="(E)"></sup>
<sup class="versenum">22 </sup>He sits enthroned<sup class="crossreference" value="(F)"></sup> above the circle of the earth,
and its people are like grasshoppers.<sup class="crossreference" value="(G)"></sup>
He stretches out the heavens<sup class="crossreference" value="(H)"></sup> like a canopy,<sup class="crossreference" value="(I)"></sup>
and spreads them out like a tent<sup class="crossreference" value="(J)"></sup> to live in.<sup class="crossreference" value="(K)"></sup>

Did you mean this scripture as support? Because I don't see where is says that. I'm not saying God doesn't have the ability, I'm asking if people here believe that he has actually said that he will do this in a literal way.

I believe this passage speaks volumes about God's plan and his restoration of not only man, but the earth as well. Isaiah 65:17 and Revelation 21:1 speak to a new heavens and earth appearing. Isaiah 46:10 is one of my favoritist verses lately as God has declared the end will be from what was at the beginning. I have heard there are anywhere from 300-500 parallels between Genesis and Revelation.

Hebrews 1:10-12 speaks to the nature of the earth, and it being in a state of decay, but in Revelation 21:4-5 the old nature of sin and curses will be passed away as will the curse of death be no more in Revelation 22:3. God has declared he wants to restore us back to the original days of Adam and Eve in the garden when there were no curses that cause death and decay.

Yes, I can see the symbolism of how we will be spiritually restored and will live in a perfect heaven some day in these passages.

 

[Ryan]

Did you mean this scripture as support? Because I don't see where is says that. I'm not saying God doesn't have the ability, I'm asking if people here believe that he has actually said that he will do this in a literal way.

I believe this passage speaks volumes about God's plan and his restoration of not only man, but the earth as well. Isaiah 65:17 and Revelation 21:1 speak to a new heavens and earth appearing. Isaiah 46:10 is one of my favoritist verses lately as God has declared the end will be from what was at the beginning. I have heard there are anywhere from 300-500 parallels between Genesis and Revelation.

Hebrews 1:10-12 speaks to the nature of the earth, and it being in a state of decay, but in Revelation 21:4-5 the old nature of sin and curses will be passed away as will the curse of death be no more in Revelation 22:3. God has declared he wants to restore us back to the original days of Adam and Eve in the garden when there were no curses that cause death and decay.

Yes, I can see the symbolism of how we will be spiritually restored and will live in a perfect heaven some day in these passages.

:amen

 

[Vaccine]

so now we have to till the ground and grow our own food. All the days of our life.

So true. Monsanto is just looking for shortcuts to make heartier and higher yielding seeds. On the one hand I can't blame them for trying and have respect for scientists there (Dr Moran used to work there), but on the other hand there's no free lunch. Breeding grains to the extremes comes at a cost. Just like dog breeding, if the goal is a small dog sacrifices are made in eyes, nose, and ears. If the goal is a large dog sacrifices are made in longevity and hip function. Nutrition is sacrificed for $$$. I suppose they have families to feed too, but putting your neighbors out of business is shameful.

It's too bad there's no money in researching natural alternatives, like natural predators to insects or even vaccines to diseases for grains.

[Hey, I had a thought. There's a lot of power in the name of Jesus...how about blessing our food (and seeds!) in the name of the Lord?) Do you think God could make a one time growth seed into a normal seed? (Rhetorical). :yes

The power of prayer is real! My wife can testify to that!

 

[Obadiah]

so now we have to till the ground and grow our own food

While I don't really like what companies like Monsanto have done, I never took that verse you cite (Gen 3:17) to literally mean that each of us has to own and run our own private farm and we are out of the will of God if we do not. Has anyone stopped to consider the amount of land that would be needed for every person presently on earth to have their own farm that was large enough to produce all their own food all year long? And when are those of us who have other jobs supposed to find time to do all this farming? (And other jobs are going to be needed to earn the money to buy all this land as well as the other costs involved in running a farm.) Did Jesus own and run a farm? He ate, didn't he?

I don't know, but this idea just doesn't seem very possible even if people were willing to do it. I guess I see this verse (and others like it) as telling us that we have to work to live, but not literally saying we each actually have to run our own farms as opposed to working at another job and paying someone else for food from their larger, professional farm.

 

[jasoncran]

nevermind that not all states and places in the world is the ground fertile and fruits have seasons. here in florida we can grow year round but oranges have seasons and so do the other citrus and tomatoes and strawberries and even the okra and collard greens!

 

[jasoncran]

one can go to the local farmers here. they have some that still sell.

 

[jasoncran]

hydroponic.uhm is that natural. can you show me without chemicas that weren't first used in the days of adam and eve that was around? my wife was a pot head. I can easily ask her about plants and gardening. the plants still has a season. the season is based on the cycle of the moons movement as all biological clocks are based on that. even ours!

hydroponics must use chemicals in the water or uv radiation which isn't as good as the natural producer of it the sun. and or soil with the green house to grow. that is how exactly natural?

 

[Obadiah]

Who said it's natural? We live in a fractured world that it not as it is supposed to be so adaptation may be necessary.

I can picture the folks at Monsanto saying the same thing about what they are doing... Just adapting to the world as it is today.

 

[jasoncran]

yes but what is the difference of us putting chemicals into the soil then letter eating the same chemicals as they are absorbed into the plants then what Monsanto Is doing?

 

[Mountain Man]

Growing your own food means independence and will be done away with,independence in all its forms must be eliminated,all must be dependent on the government run system for every need...if they could they would,tax,regulate and distribute the air you breath.

 

[jasoncran]

there wasn't any specialized breeding of food. I know about banana's they were able to reproduce. only one species has the ability to do so. all others are clones of the original plant. yet we eat them. we bred them.

human feces is also able to be used as fertilizer. no chemicals there too eh?. remember, that we also bred corn and modified to resist bacteria and its hasn't been the same since then. It wasn't bred in a lab when that was done. forced evolution doesn't need to be done in a lab. we have bred black men to be slaves. we have taken the wolf and made domesticated the dog from them so much so that they are sub species of the canius lupis.a wolf still is aggressive even if tame and territorial. I have a wolf-hybrid she has some of that nature and others that have them are even more wild.

oranges, were also bred and here we take the orange, narange and also lemon and graft them on one tree to grow them all . I cant think of the name of that. I guess that is bad too.

 

[Mike S]

A good read, by a repentent early anti-GMO activist. There is another side to this issue, besides the very vocal "GMO is evil" message, folks.



Leading Activist Apologizes For Starting Anti-GMO Movement - http://www.hawaiireporter.com/leading-activist-apologizes-for-starting-anti-gmo-movement/123

By Mark Lynas - I want to start with some apologies. For the record, here and upfront, I apologize for having spent several years ripping up GM crops. I am also sorry that I helped to start the anti-GM movement back in the mid 1990s, and that I thereby assisted in demonising an important technological option which can be used to benefit the environment.

As an environmentalist, and someone who believes that everyone in this world has a right to a healthy and nutritious diet of their choosing, I could not have chosen a more counter-productive path. I now regret it completely.

So I challenge all of you today to question your beliefs in this area and to see whether they stand up to rational examination. Always ask for evidence, as the campaigning group Sense About Science advises, and make sure you go beyond the self-referential reports of campaigning NGOs.

But most important of all, farmers should be free to choose what kind of technologies they want to adopt. If you think the old ways are the best, that’s fine. You have that right.
What you don’t have the right to do is to stand in the way of others who hope and strive for ways of doing things differently, and hopefully better. Farmers who understand the pressures of a growing population and a warming world. Who understand that yields per hectare are the most important environmental metric. And who understand that technology never stops developing, and that even the fridge and the humble potato were new and scary once.

So my message to the anti-GM lobby, from the ranks of the British aristocrats and celebrity chefs to the US foodies to the peasant groups of India is this. You are entitled to your views. But you must know by now that they are not supported by science. We are coming to a crunch point, and for the sake of both people and the planet, now is the time for you to get out of the way and let the rest of us get on with feeding the world sustainably.

 

[jasoncran]

A good read, by a repentent early anti-GMO activist. There is another side to this issue, besides the very vocal "GMO is evil" message, folks.



Leading Activist Apologizes For Starting Anti-GMO Movement - http://www.hawaiireporter.com/leading-activist-apologizes-for-starting-anti-gmo-movement/123

By Mark Lynas - I want to start with some apologies. For the record, here and upfront, I apologize for having spent several years ripping up GM crops. I am also sorry that I helped to start the anti-GM movement back in the mid 1990s, and that I thereby assisted in demonising an important technological option which can be used to benefit the environment.

As an environmentalist, and someone who believes that everyone in this world has a right to a healthy and nutritious diet of their choosing, I could not have chosen a more counter-productive path. I now regret it completely.

So I challenge all of you today to question your beliefs in this area and to see whether they stand up to rational examination. Always ask for evidence, as the campaigning group Sense About Science advises, and make sure you go beyond the self-referential reports of campaigning NGOs.

But most important of all, farmers should be free to choose what kind of technologies they want to adopt. If you think the old ways are the best, that’s fine. You have that right.
What you don’t have the right to do is to stand in the way of others who hope and strive for ways of doing things differently, and hopefully better. Farmers who understand the pressures of a growing population and a warming world. Who understand that yields per hectare are the most important environmental metric. And who understand that technology never stops developing, and that even the fridge and the humble potato were new and scary once.

So my message to the anti-GM lobby, from the ranks of the British aristocrats and celebrity chefs to the US foodies to the peasant groups of India is this. You are entitled to your views. But you must know by now that they are not supported by science. We are coming to a crunch point, and for the sake of both people and the planet, now is the time for you to get out of the way and let the rest of us get on with feeding the world sustainably.

I can agree with that.