What does it mean to perish (apóllymi)?

[JLB]

This is not even a complete sentence. If your read the complete sentence we find out (versus obscure) exactly what faith it is Paul is teaching will happen in later times:

1 Timothy 4:1-5 Now the Spirit explicitly says that in the last times some will depart from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, by the hypocrisy of liars, who are seared in their own conscience, who forbid marrying and insist on abstaining from foods that God created for sharing in with thankfulness by those who believe and who know the truth, because everything created by God is good and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thankfulness, for it is made holy by the word of God and prayer.​

I'm sorry faith in Christ seems to be obscure to you.

• We don't have faith in everything God created, but rather we have faith in Christ Jesus, who created everything.

It's sad you don't know the difference.

1 Timothy 4:1 refers to departing from the faith in Christ, the one who created all things, and died for our sins on the cross.

The context for this understanding in found here -

​

8 Likewise deacons must be reverent, not double-tongued, not given to much wine, not greedy for money, 9 holding the mystery of the faith with a pure conscience. 10 But let these also first be tested; then let them serve as deacons, being found blameless. 11 Likewise, their wives must be reverent, not slanderers, temperate, faithful in all things. 12 Let deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well. 13 For those who have served well as deacons obtain for themselves a good standing and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus.14 These things I write to you, though I hope to come to you shortly; 15 but if I am delayed, I write so that you may know how you ought to conduct yourself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth. 16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:

God was manifested in the flesh,
Justified in the Spirit,
Seen by angels,
Preached among the Gentiles,
Believed on in the world,
Received up in glory.

Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, 2 speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron, 3 forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. 4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be refused if it is received with thanksgiving; 5 for it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
1 Timothy 3:8-4:5


If you want to teach people that the faith, is actually faith in what God created, rather than faith in Christ Jesus, then that is your choice.




JLB

 

[JLB]

Do you teach that newly born creatures in Christ will be rejected?

Please quote the verse you are referring to?


JLB

 

[JLB]

His sheep:
1. hear His voice (not someone elses)
and
2. He knows them (after all He's speaking to them)
and
3. they follow Him (I'm not teaching a doctrine that says His sheep do not follow Him). Aren't you teaching that some of His sheep stop following Him? Why, if someone truly believed this verse's perfect truth, would anyone think His sheep (that have believed and heard and He knows them) not follow Him is beyond understanding.
And
4. He gives (perfect, active, singular) His sheep Eternal life (not temporary life). And He does so perfectly and all by Himself.
and
5. they shall never perish;
and
6. neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand.
(I'm of the doctrine that anyone means anyone including themselves and Satan).
Aren't you?

1. His voice is the only voice that will produce faith in us.
2. Knowing Him is the definition of eternal life. [joined to Him as a wife is joined to her husband as one]
3. As long as they do not wander off in disobedience and become lost, they have fulfilled the condition.
4. Eternal life is in Christ. As long as a person is in Christ, they have the eternal life that is found in Him.
5. Those who are in Christ, and remain in Christ, will never perish
6. No one is able to take us away from Him by force. We are secure as we remain in Him though believing faith.

• Can you post a scripture that says believing/obeying is no longer required after a person becomes born again?

He who obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.” John 3:36 NASB



JLB

 

[GodsGrace]

I hoped to respond to your post but the quote box included all of our exchanges together.

Sorry.
sometimes I use color to reply.
Fixed it up in post no. 127.

 

[Angel Water]

It reminds me that I'm not as smart as I imagine.

I understand. However, if it is for that purpose of self reflection and self-deprecation....Continues below your other remark quoted below.

No.
I've been trying to get a straight answer from him for days and he repeatedly avoids answering.
So why ask for an answer from someone who refuses to give one?

iakov the meshuganeh

....wouldn't that make your remarks to Chessman impossible ? Post #120 I believe. Even with your remarks quoted in this reply^

↑Chessman said:
That question is not a logically phrased question.
You replied: Oh.
So you are not interested in engaging in an honest, forthright, conversation.
Suit yourself.
Bye.

Find peace in ourselves and therein is our Lord whispering all the answers.

 

[Angel Water]

Just to understand you better:

Are you saying that Christians should not all believe the same?
You mean we could just all believe what we want to?

In brief, I was saying that JLB's belief that we are not secure in the grace of our Father is not something he can append to the teachings of Christ.

 

[Angel Water]

Sorry.
sometimes I use color to reply.
Fixed it up in post no. 127.

Excellent. Thank you. I do want to respond to your post. And I will do that and also respond to Jim's as soon as I return from dinner. Till then, to you both.

 

[GodsGrace]

Excellent. Thank you. I do want to respond to your post. And I will do that and also respond to Jim's as soon as I return from dinner. Till then, to you both.

Will read your reply Tomorrow.
It's 1 a.m. here.

 

[GodsGrace]

In brief, I was saying that JLB's belief that we are not secure in the grace of our Father is not something he can append to the teachings of Christ.

AW
I can't speak for JLB, however I think he believes we're secure in the grace of our Father for as long as we stay with our Father, accept His grace, and our Savior's sacrifice.

Tomorrow.

 

[chessman]

They were in a very unpleasant place.

Who's they?

Luke 16:23 And in Hades he lifted up his eyes as he was in torment and saw Abraham from a distance, and Lazarus at his side.​

Is there more than one person in Hades in this story?

Any place where God is not, is hell, since it isn't heaven.

Passage for this claim, please.

All those O.T. places are no longer valid.

Says who?

Wherever PARADISE was, it was NOT hell.

I didn't say it was. I said Gehenna and the Lake of Fire are not Hades. Because they're not.

WHY weren't the lost annihilated?

First, please read the story. There is only one lost person in the story (the rich man). And I told you why. He had merely died and was in Hades. He's not been raised, nor judged wicked, nor sent to Hell.

WHY were they in this unpleasant place while the saved, instead, were in Abraham's Bossom?

Again, there is no "they" in this unpleasant place. Only the rich man died and was buried.

If there a future date, for example, when they WILL be annihilated?

I assume you mean "Is there a future..."
I don't know what you even mean by annihilation? There is a day when all the wicked will be raised from the graves, judged wicked and experience the destruction of their body and soul in Hell. And yes, there will be nashing of teeth (pain) on their way to destruction.

Why do you keep referring to a non-Biblical word which neither of us can even spell very well nor do I know what you mean by it. What's your definition of annihilation, the destruction of the body and soul?

So, in your opinion, some will go directly to heaven,

Of course not.

but the lost will not go directly to be annihilated?

No, their souls go to Hades, their bodies go to the grave and their souls experience pain in Hades while awaiting the Day of Judgment.

 

[GodsGrace]

Who's they?

Luke 16:23 And in Hades he lifted up his eyes as he was in torment and saw Abraham from a distance, and Lazarus at his side.​

Is there more than one person in Hades in this story?


Passage for this claim, please.


Says who?


I didn't say it was. I said Gehenna and the Lake of Fire are not Hades. Because they're not.


First, please read the story. There is only one lost person in the story (the rich man). And I told you why. He had merely died and was in Hades. He's not been raised, nor judged wicked, nor sent to Hell.


Again, there is no "they" in this unpleasant place. Only the rich man died and was buried.


I assume you mean "Is there a future..."
I don't know what you even mean by annihilation? There is a day when all the wicked will be raised from the graves, judged wicked and experience the destruction of their body and soul in Hell. And yes, there will be nashing of teeth (pain) on their way to destruction.

Why do you keep referring to a non-Biblical word which neither of us can even spell very well nor do I know what you mean by it. What's your definition of annihilation, the destruction of the body and soul?


Of course not.


No, their souls go to Hades, their bodies go to the grave and their souls experience pain in Hades while awaiting the Day of Judgment.

There's a problem in communication.
I have better luck with my husband.

It seems to me that you're using the word DESTROYED to mean ANNIHILATION.
If a soul is destroyed, does it go on forever?
If not it's annihilated.
If it DOES go on forever, then one receives either eternal life or eternal torment.

Yes. Gehenna, Hades and Sheoul are no longer mentioned after the teachings of Christ. Jesus taught only TWO places: Heaven and hell.
Diferent words are used for hell in the N.T., but the concept is clear...
You either go to be with God, or you don't.
If you don't go to be with God, you're in a place where God is not.

Right here we have both satan and God and look at the mess.
IF GOD IS NOT PRESENT, it must certainly look like the hell we imagine, or see in images.

Last, but not least:
Read Luke 16:19-31 again.

Are you under the impression these two places were made specifically for Lazarus and the Rich Man? Did no one die before them? Where do you suppose THEY are?? All the persons who died before the resurrection are waiting in Abraham's Bossom or in Hades.

See Luke 16:26
"those (meaning more than one) who wish to come over fro here to you, may not be able, and that NONE (meaning more than one) may cross over from there to us."


I do believe our conversation ends here.
Will be following along.

 

[chessman]

I'm sorry faith in Christ seems to be obscure to you.

Faith in Christ is not obscure to me, nor did I say it was. What's obscure is why you would post a partial sentence of Paul's while in the same post accuse someone else of taking a phrase out of it's context.

I could say why I think it is you do this, but it would be a guess. I'd rather you explain it your obscuring the rest of the sentence yourself (which BTW, doesn't say faith 'in Christ'.

1 Timothy 4:1 refers to departing from the faith in Christ, the one who created all things, and died for our sins on the cross.

Wrong. Please underline "in Christ" in verse 4:1. It ain't there.

Again, 1 Timothy 4:1 is not even a complete sentence. Here's what Paul said people will depart from.

1 Timothy 4:1-5 Now the Spirit explicitly says that in the last times some will depart from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, by the hypocrisy of liars, who are seared in their own conscience, who forbid marrying and insist on abstaining from foods that God created for sharing in with thankfulness by those who believe and who know the truth, because everything created by God is good and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thankfulness, for it is made holy by the word of God and prayer.​

Please quote the verse you are referring to?

The passage in the post you just quoted.

Do you teach that newly born creatures in Christ will be rejected?

 

[Angel Water]

Without doctrine, there is no basis by which to determine what is truth and what is error.
The most basic doctrines, divinity of Christ and Holy Spirit, resurrection of dead, etc, as found in the Nicaea-Constantinople Creed, were determined and accepted by the Church in response to false teachings. (Heresies)

"Doctrine" is the word used to identify the authentic teaching of Christ and the apostles who were personally taught by Christ.
"Doctrine" is the word used to identify the true faith.
Heresy, a departure from that faith, can result in effects ranging from minor confusion to eternal damnation.

The primary person who says that, if one does not follow doctrine he can be damned, is Christ.
John 3:36 (RSV) He who believes in the Son has eternal life; he who does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God rests upon him.
John 5:28-29 (NKJV) … the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.
John 8:51 Most assuredly, I say to you, if anyone keeps My word he shall never see death
Jhn 17:17 (NKJV) Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth.

also:

Eph 1:13 (NKJV) In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise

1Th 2:13 (NKJV) For this reason we also thank God without ceasing, because when you received the word of God which you heard from us, you welcomed it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which also effectively works in you who believe.

iakov the meshuganeh

If we recall Jesus teachings we learn very quickly that he contradicted the doctrinal posture that the temple elders presumed to enforce in the name of doctrine.
He and his disciples for example worked on the Sabbath. Jesus healed on the Sabbath.
In matters of justice, just to name a couple of examples here, Jesus admonished the listeners that he knew they had been taught the law of retaliation or, an eye for an eye. Jesus however told the people to forgive those who trespassed against them. We find this in what have been called the Beatitudes . Found in Matthew 5. I'll share from verse 38 here.

“You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ 39 But I say to you, do not resist the evildoer. But whoever strikes you on the right cheek, turn the other to him as well. 40 And if someone wants to sue you and to take your tunic, give him your coat also. 41 And if anyone forces you to go one mile, go with him two. 42 Give to the one who asks you, and do not reject the one who wants to borrow from you.

43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor’ and ‘hate your enemy.’ 44 But I say to you, love your enemy and pray for those who persecute you, 45 so that you may be like your Father in heaven, since he causes the sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Even the tax collectors do the same, don’t they? 47 And if you only greet your brothers, what more do you do? Even the Gentiles do the same, don’t they? 48 So then, be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

When we are told God does not change, and he is the same yesterday, today, and forever, and we know that Jesus was from flesh to bone the manifestation of God as son of man, which doctrine is to be followed? The doctrine that began as God's words arrived at according to the temple teachings per the old testament? Or the new testament teachings brought to us from the Jewish rabbi named as God with us?
If doctrine saves in any capacity, which doctrine do we follow in order to find ourselves in God's grace that has no doctrine behind it. But is grace given us through no deserved action or conduct of our own as sinners first.

 

[JLB]

Faith in Christ is not obscure to me, nor did I say it was. What's obscure is why you would post a partial sentence of Paul's while in the same post accuse someone else of taking a phrase out of it's context.

I could say why I think it is you do this, but it would be a guess. I'd rather you explain it your obscuring the rest of the sentence yourself (which BTW, doesn't say faith 'in Christ'.

I posted the actual scripture and showed the context, so one again you are not stating the truth.

Faith in Christ Jesus is what Paul warns us about in the last days.

Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons,
1 Timothy 4:1

Take heed to yourself and to the doctrine. Continue in them, for in doing this you will save both yourself and those who hear you.
1 Timothy 4:16

If you don't think Paul is referring to faith in Christ, in verse 1, after having the context given to you, then please tell us what we are to have faith in, if not Christ?

Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons,
1 Timothy 4:1

Depart from faith in Christ, is what Paul, through the Holy Spirit is warning us about.


Here is the context again -

8 Likewise deacons must be reverent, not double-tongued, not given to much wine, not greedy for money, 9 holding the mystery of the faith with a pure conscience. 10 But let these also first be tested; then let them serve as deacons, being found blameless. 11 Likewise, their wives must be reverent, not slanderers, temperate, faithful in all things. 12 Let deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well. 13 For those who have served well as deacons obtain for themselves a good standing and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus.14 These things I write to you, though I hope to come to you shortly; 15 but if I am delayed, I write so that you may know how you ought to conduct yourself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth. 16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:

God was manifested in the flesh,
Justified in the Spirit,
Seen by angels,
Preached among the Gentiles,
Believed on in the world,
Received up in glory.

Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, 1 Timothy 3:8-4:1


What does the faith refer to here in verse 1, after having said the faith which is in Christ Jesus, in verse 13?


JLB

 

[JLB]

Wrong. Please underline "in Christ" in verse 4:1. It ain't there.

Again, 1 Timothy 4:1 is not even a complete sentence. Here's what Paul said people will depart from.

1 Timothy 4:1-5 Now the Spirit explicitly says that in the last times some will depart from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, by the hypocrisy of liars, who are seared in their own conscience, who forbid marrying and insist on abstaining from foods that God created for sharing in with thankfulness by those who believe and who know the truth, because everything created by God is good and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thankfulness, for it is made holy by the word of God and prayer.

To the Christian there is only one faith, and that is the faith in Christ Jesus.

If there is another faith mentioned in the scriptures, please post it for us to examine.

Here is mine:

4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling; 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6 one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. Ephesians 4:4-5

• one Lord, one faith, one baptism;

If you don't think Paul is referring to faith in Christ, in verse 1, after having the context given to you, then please tell us what is
"the faith" Paul is referring to in 1 Timothy 4:1?


JLB

 

[JLB]

chessman said: ↑
His sheep:
1. hear His voice (not someone elses)
and
2. He knows them (after all He's speaking to them)
and
3. they follow Him (I'm not teaching a doctrine that says His sheep do not follow Him). Aren't you teaching that some of His sheep stop following Him? Why, if someone truly believed this verse's perfect truth, would anyone think His sheep (that have believed and heard and He knows them) not follow Him is beyond understanding.
And
4. He gives (perfect, active, singular) His sheep Eternal life (not temporary life). And He does so perfectly and all by Himself.
and
5. they shall never perish;
and
6. neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand.
(I'm of the doctrine that anyone means anyone including themselves and Satan).
Aren't you?

1. His voice is the only voice that will produce faith in us.
2. Knowing Him is the definition of eternal life. [joined to Him as a wife is joined to her husband as one]
3. As long as they do not wander off in disobedience and become lost, they have fulfilled the condition.
4. Eternal life is in Christ. As long as a person is in Christ, they have the eternal life that is found in Him.
5. Those who are in Christ, and remain in Christ, will never perish
6. No one is able to take us away from Him by force. We are secure as we remain in Him though believing faith.

• Can you post a scripture that says believing/obeying is no longer required after a person becomes born again?

He who obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.” John 3:36 NASB



JLB

 

[FreeGrace]

You quoted a part of a verse with no context.

This is an irrelevant opinion. Makes no difference. The words I have chosen to emphasis are truth, regardless of what else is found in the context.

iow, the context does NOT CHANGE the clear wording of what I have chosen to emphasize.

John 10:28 is a "part" of a complete statement.

True. And irrelevant to the point I have chosen to make.

The word "And" is the dead giveaway, in verse 28.

What is being "given away"?

You quoted the result of meeting the condition which is found in verse 27.

The opinion that v.27 forms any kind of condition for never perishing is unfounded. The wording is so clear that anyone who doesn't have a personal agenda to defend and protect can see it.

v.27 is a description (not a condition for being anything) of His sheep.

27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. 28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. John 10:27-28

Hearing His voice and following Him is a prerequisite for eternal life.

This opinion violates a whole lot of Scripture that clearly indicates that believing in Jesus Christ is the sole condition for possessing eternal life. I've given the pertinent verses over and over. Eternal life is a present possession of those who believe. That means they possess eternal life WHEN they first believed.

The onus is on anyone who thinks otherwise to provide verses that teach that eternal life is given some specific time AFTER the moment they believe. But we all know there are no such verses.

Those sheep who follow Him for a while then turn away from following Him become lost.

I don't deal in opinions. If there are any verses that teach that sheep that turn away from following Jesus become lost, as in no longer saved. Unless there is a specific verse that clearly claims this, there is no reason to accept such an opinion.

A sheep who is lost, is as a sinner in need of repentance.

All humans are born lost. And in need of salvation.

The end result of hearing [hearkening in obedience] and following Him is receiving eternal life at the resurrection.

This opinion is in direct contradiction to the Bible. Eternal life is a present possession on the basis of believing in Christ in John 3:15,16, 5:24, and 6:47.

Can you point out where in John 10:28, Jesus said that those who follow Him, would immediately receive eternal life in which they would never die anymore.
JLB

You've obviously have never been following the discussion on this. Jesus made the point that those who believe HAVE (as in present possession) eternal life. That clearly means that one presently possesses eternal life WHEN they believe.

So, at the MOMENT of belief, they possess eternal life. What you've never proved is that eternal life is given AFTER a lifetime of works.

The point of John 10:28 is that those Jesus gives eternal life shall never perish. This is obviously eternal security. Nothing less.

 

[FreeGrace]

Since you avoided answering each point of the scriptures I quoted, and the points addressed that are from the scriptures it is doubtful you want to discuss scripture.

Where were any questions in "each point"?? If there are no questions, there is no need for answers.

John 10:28 is a "part" of a complete statement.

The word "And" is the dead giveaway, in verse 28.

You quoted the result of meeting the condition which is found in verse 27.

I just responded to this in my previous post.

So, if it's answers you want, please just ask some questions.

However, I'll ask one first. If an answer is provided, then I'll be happy to answer your questions. If not, then don't expect an answer from me.

Per John 10:28, what is the direct result of being given eternal life by Jesus?

 

[JLB]

This is an irrelevant opinion. Makes no difference. The words I have chosen to emphasis are truth, regardless of what else is found in the context.

iow, the context does NOT CHANGE the clear wording of what I have chosen to emphasize.


True. And irrelevant to the point I have chosen to make.


What is being "given away"?


The opinion that v.27 forms any kind of condition for never perishing is unfounded. The wording is so clear that anyone who doesn't have a personal agenda to defend and protect can see it.

v.27 is a description (not a condition for being anything) of His sheep.


This opinion violates a whole lot of Scripture that clearly indicates that believing in Jesus Christ is the sole condition for possessing eternal life. I've given the pertinent verses over and over. Eternal life is a present possession of those who believe. That means they possess eternal life WHEN they first believed.

The onus is on anyone who thinks otherwise to provide verses that teach that eternal life is given some specific time AFTER the moment they believe. But we all know there are no such verses.


I don't deal in opinions. If there are any verses that teach that sheep that turn away from following Jesus become lost, as in no longer saved. Unless there is a specific verse that clearly claims this, there is no reason to accept such an opinion.


All humans are born lost. And in need of salvation.


This opinion is in direct contradiction to the Bible. Eternal life is a present possession on the basis of believing in Christ in John 3:15,16, 5:24, and 6:47.


You've obviously have never been following the discussion on this. Jesus made the point that those who believe HAVE (as in present possession) eternal life. That clearly means that one presently possesses eternal life WHEN they believe.

So, at the MOMENT of belief, they possess eternal life. What you've never proved is that eternal life is given AFTER a lifetime of works.

The point of John 10:28 is that those Jesus gives eternal life shall never perish. This is obviously eternal security. Nothing less.

You will have to do better that dismissing the words of Jesus as irrelevant.


All opinion without ever quoting the actual scripture.

Please show us the courtesy of discussing the actual scripture and language with context that I have presented for discussion.


27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. 28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. John 10:27-28

Hearing His voice and following Him is a prerequisite for eternal life.

Those sheep who follow Him for a while then turn away from following Him become lost.

A sheep who is lost, is as a sinner in need of repentance.

The end result of hearing [hearkening in obedience] and following Him is receiving eternal life at the resurrection.

35 But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; 36 nor can they die anymore, for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.
Luke 20:35-36

Can you point out where in John 10:28, Jesus said that those who follow Him, would immediately receive eternal life in which they would never die anymore.


JLB

 

[FreeGrace]

26 But you do not believe, because you are not of My sheep, as I said to you. 27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. 28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. John 10:26-28


The first condition we see to being considered as one of His sheep is believe.

• Condition # 1 - Believe

Those who do not believe are not His sheep.

Those who believe for a while, then do not believe, are those who do not believe.
Believe = Sheep
Do not believe = are not His sheep
Believe means commit, trust obey.

He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.
John 3:36 NASB

Those who believe on the Lord, and confess Him as Lord, but don't obey Him as Lord, don't follow Him as Lord, and therefore they become lost.

• But why do you call Me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do the things which I say?

46 “But why do you call Me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do the things which I say? 47 Whoever comes to Me, and hears My sayings and does them, I will show you whom he is like: 48 He is like a man building a house, who dug deep and laid the foundation on the rock. And when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently against that house, and could not shake it, for it was founded on the rock. 49 But he who heard and did nothing is like a man who built a house on the earth without a foundation, against which the stream beat vehemently; and immediately it fell. And the ruin of that house was great.” Luke 6:46-49

Our Master is the one we obey:

16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness? Romans 6:16

This is what I said:
"Yes, He did. The condition for receiving eternal life is to believe on Him (Jn 3:15,16, 5:24,6:47). The result for believing on Him and receiving eternal life is that they shall never perish. John 10:28"

and you did not refute.