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What Does the Bible Say About Women Preaching?

Lewis

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It is time to tackle this again.
What Does the Bible Say About Women Preaching?

The role of women in the church is perhaps one of the most controversial topics that anyone could tackle. Denominations have divided over whether or not women can preach, give sacraments, teach or even speak out in a service. The debate is complicated even more by the cultural shifts in the roles of women that have occurred in the past 2000 years. There are only a few Bible verses that actually speak to the question of whether women can preach. They seem somewhat contradicted by the Bible's portrayals of women.

Significance
1. An essential Biblical concept is that God made both male and female and that there is no distinction between the spiritual worth of either. According to Galatians 3:28, once a person is "in Christ" their gender does not determine their value or their position. This idea clashed with some of the ancient cultural traditions as they wrestled with the message of the Gospel.
Identification
2. Paul's letters contain the most problematic verses about the role of women in the church. Since one verse, 1 Corinthians 11:5, forbids women to pray or prophesy in meetings unless they have covered their heads, it seems to suggest that women could participate in authoritative public speech within a Christian meeting. However, a later verse in the same book, 1 Corinthians 14:34 demands that women remain silent, not speaking at all in church. The two verses seem to be in direct contradiction. Paul's bias against women preaching seems to be clarified in the letter he wrote to Timothy, a young pastor that he was mentoring. He counseled Timothy that women should not be granted the right to either teach men or be in positions of authority over them. See 1 Timothy 2:12.
Considerations
3. This leads you to wonder if the Bible restricted women from preaching at all or if it allowed women to preach to other women. Paul mentored another young pastor, Titus. In his letter to Titus, he recommends that older women be used to teach younger women. Did this also involve preaching? The record is silent on that issue. See Titus 2:4.
Theories/Speculation
4. There are examples of women who preached in the New Testament. The first one is the woman that Jesus met at the well in Samaria. This story is recorded in John 4. She was so impressed with Jesus that she left her pitcher, assembled a crowd, preached about the encounter she had had and returned with the crowd following. Another woman preacher is Priscilla. She and her husband, Aquilla, were powerful teachers. Since Priscilla's name is mentioned first, biblical scholars believe that she took the primary role. Other women who perhaps preached are the Old Testament prophet, Deborah, the apostle, Junias and Lydia, a widow, who started a church in her home.
Potential
5. The question of whether the Bible permits women to preach is not easily addressed. One translation of Psalm 68:11, a prophetic song of victory, indicates that there will be a large "company" of women who will proclaim, or preach, God's word after he makes an announcement. We do know that women joined the male disciples in the upper room in the ten days between when Jesus ascended into Heaven and when the wind and the tongues of fire initiated the first street preaching in Jerusalem. We also know that women were among the people who were commanded by Jesus in Mark 16:15 to go into all the world and "preach the Gospel."

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its my belief that a woman may prophecy and be used in ministry but not be a pastor or teach men. hmm i will look over this some more.

witness is another matter.
 
jasoncran said:
its my belief that a woman may prophecy and be used in ministry but not be a pastor or teach men. hmm i will look over this some more.

witness is another matter.
So Mark 16:15 only means men :confused Hear is where I am at, God uses who he wants, and he does. Now you can hear and see the anointing on many women when it comes to preaching. We have a God who will use who ever He wants. The Bible has women who lead men in it. It was a women who saw the risen Christ first, and a women who first told the good news of that event. Paul was mostly talking to certain cultures of people.
 
But seeing Christ first and telling men about it is not the same thing as exercising pastoral authority over men.
 
Maybe they should not have pastoral authority over men, but they should be able to preach.
 
Lewis W said:
jasoncran said:
its my belief that a woman may prophecy and be used in ministry but not be a pastor or teach men. hmm i will look over this some more.

witness is another matter.
So Mark 16:15 only means men :confused Hear is where I am at, God uses who he wants, and he does. Now you can hear and see the anointing on many women when it comes to preaching. We have a God who will use who ever He wants. The Bible has women who lead men in it. It was a women who saw the risen Christ first, and a women who first told the good news of that event. Paul was mostly talking to certain cultures of people.
teaching as authority in the manner of pastors. look at the bible this way.why does God call the men to be the head at home and to teach and is held responsible over the families spiritual health? notice that it men only that lead at the home.

kinda odd if he wants men to follow women at church. a man should lead , that doesnt mean that women are to be quiet, just not in the role of pastors, they can teach, work in the gifts, and so on.preaching and teaching are two different things.
 
There are examples of women who preached in the New Testament. The first one is the woman that Jesus met at the well in Samaria. This story is recorded in John 4. She was so impressed with Jesus that she left her pitcher, assembled a crowd, preached about the encounter she had had and returned with the crowd following. Another woman preacher is Priscilla. She and her husband, Aquilla, were powerful teachers. Since Priscilla's name is mentioned first, biblical scholars believe that she took the primary role. Other women who perhaps preached are the Old Testament prophet, Deborah, the apostle, Junias and Lydia, a widow, who started a church in her home.
Potential
 
Whenever people take the word of God- and begin to say that the reason it says a,b, and c is because of the " time and culture" they were in or were speaking to it is apparent that faith is being put not in God but in the men writting the word- and not only is it being put in the men writting it but in the flesh of the men writting it and not in their Spirit or sainthood, and it is being understood by the flesh not the Spirit of the one making this argument.

We see clearly that the word of God is eternal.Psa 119:89 LAMED. For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven.

Surely a word that would be based and spoken because of time period and culture would not be the Lords word, would not be settled in heaven. So we can know this is an incorrrect arguement.

Pro 30:5 Every word of God [is] pure: he [is] a shield unto them that put their trust in him.

The word of God is pure. It is not written to appease the flesh of men, or account for a culture or time period. It is from heaven, eternal , pure, holy , Spiritual and GOOD.

Jhn 10:35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

The scritures cannot be broken. If they were spoken because of culture or timeperiod, then a change in culture and change in time would break them.

The word of God is TRUE, it has never been to give into a culture or time period of sinfullness but has always stood out as the truth to walk in and become seperated from all culture and time.It is true always in all things. God made the word for us to be led by as the light that guides us not to acclimate itself into culture- but to seperate us from all earthly culture to walk in truth no matter what age we are in.
 
GodspromisesRyes said:
Whenever people take the word of God- and begin to say that the reason it says a,b, and c is because of the " time and culture" they were in or were speaking to it is apparent that faith is being put not in God but in the men writting the word- and not only is it being put in the men writting it but in the flesh of the men writting it and not in their Spirit or sainthood, and it is being understood by the flesh not the Spirit of the one making this argument.

We see clearly that the word of God is eternal.Psa 119:89 LAMED. For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven.

Surely a word that would be based and spoken because of time period and culture would not be the Lords word, would not be settled in heaven. So we can know this is an incorrrect arguement.

Pro 30:5 Every word of God [is] pure: he [is] a shield unto them that put their trust in him.

The word of God is pure. It is not written to appease the flesh of men, or account for a culture or time period. It is from heaven, eternal , pure, holy , Spiritual and GOOD.

Jhn 10:35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;

The scritures cannot be broken. If they were spoken because of culture or timeperiod, then a change in culture and change in time would break them.

The word of God is TRUE, it has never been to give into a culture or time period of sinfullness but has always stood out as the truth to walk in and become seperated from all culture and time.It is true always in all things. God made the word for us to be led by as the light that guides us not to acclimate itself into culture- but to seperate us from all earthly culture to walk in truth no matter what age we are in.
Let me give you a example, when Paul said that women should have their heads covered, he was talking to a particular culture of people. So now do you see many women in church with their heads covered today, are these women breaking a Biblical law, by not covering their heads. I am just using this as a example, in response to the post that you made GodspromisesRyes.
 
Lewis W said:
Let me give you a example, when Paul said that women should have their heads covered, he was talking to a particular culture of people. So now do you see many women in church with their heads covered today, are these women breaking a Biblical law, by not covering their heads. I am just using this as a example, in response to the post that you made GodspromisesRyes.
Firstly, do we judge truth based on what we see many in the church doing? Or by the word of God? For most of history, the body of Gods people overall have been found to not do what the word of God tells them but instead they go their own way. Does that change what they should be doing? We should never live our christians lives say " well the word says this, but i dont see many doing it so i dont have to either". The traditions of men always do away with the word of God. So do we see many christian women covering their head? Not in the overall body, but in the women that I have fellowship with I know many who do. Beyond that and without making this a topic on head coverings, the idea that this was because of culture, and not because of truth is shown false by paul himself. He does not mention culture, or time period for His reasons for speaking on women wearing a covering. He mentions the creation and NATURE showing us this is proper.- Furthermore He tells us the reasons that we should do this because of creations purposes for a woman, and for the angels. None of these is cultural or based on time periods It is strictly scriptural and spiritual. 1Cr 11:6 For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.


1Cr 11:7 For a man indeed ought not to cover [his] head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.
1Cr 11:8 For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man.


1Cr 11:9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.


1Cr 11:10 For this cause ought the woman to have power on [her] head because of the angels.


We cannot ignore Gods given reasons for things to make up that it was cultural when we are told otherwise just because we dont see alot of people obeying.
 
one more quick thing. The idea that things were written because of culture or time, is disproved by another scriptural truth. - We like to think that we are so modern and differnt and advanced etc... but the world is the same, people are the same, nature is the same. We are not any differnt than the generations before us. Just because we drive a car does not make another about the way people work and the way things happen any differnt. God says this :

Ecc 1:9 The thing that hath been, it [is that] which shall be; and that which is done [is] that which shall be done: and [there is] no new [thing] under the sun.


Ecc 1:10 Is there [any] thing whereof it may be said, See, this [is] new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us.


Ecc 1:11 [There is] no remembrance of former [things]; neither shall there be [any] remembrance of [things] that are to come with [those] that shall come after.
 
There are many things written in the Bible that had something to do with culture and time, because then the people at that time could understand it.
 
God does not give command and doctrine based on culture but on spiritual reasons. the most often times paul is claimed by people to be speaking only because of culture and times the text themselves proves otherwise because paul gives the reasons why he says what he says. Most often they are related to women in some form or another and claimed by people to be because of culture but time and time again paul says the reasons are because of naure, because of Gods order or creation, because of angels, because of eve's sin etc etc.... never does he mention it being because of the culture they live in- those are the inventions of men's (or women's) minds to free their flesh from the parts of the word of God that they do not want to apply to themselves. this is no differnt then the way the pharsesees overrid the word of God by their traditions and teachings to free their flesh from obedience and submission to the living God.
 
I don't think you are getting this. Many things in the Bible that were written spoke of things that that people could understand at that time. Even Jesus did this people don't use wine skins anymore, well in my hippie days we did, but they were fake. The Workers in the Vineyard, many young people today do not have a clue to what that means. They would be like what is a vineyard, but everybody at that time knew what one was, because they were abundant. What I am saying is many things spoken of at that time, were spoken in the language and the customs of the day. And this can't be denied.
 
if that was the case, why not break the traditions of those things, as it was the case them that women couldnt testify in a court of law. yet what do we have in the bible?

so why not with the women in pastors?

and since you went there on this. there are cultures that are very matriarchical. so by that reasoning we should just ignore those verses on the men being the head of the household.
 
Jason wrote
and since you went there on this. there are cultures that are very matriarchical. so by that reasoning we should just ignore those verses on the men being the head of the household.
Well I must say that I am surprised at that tone, coming from you.
 
Lewis W said:
Jason wrote
and since you went there on this. there are cultures that are very matriarchical. so by that reasoning we should just ignore those verses on the men being the head of the household.
Well I must say that I am surprised at that tone, coming from you.
that wasnt meant to be like that.i was followin your thinking as in parts of africa muslims allow women to lead the marriages and divorce their men have the roles in that sense reversed. so a christian there might see it thay way.

i didnt meant to offend.

if you havent notice, i have been more forward then usual.as i have to with some here and they with me.
 
Here is my view

The Lord gives woman salvation, just as He gives men salvation. The Lord give woman the Holy Spirit, just as He gives men the Holy Spirit.

I see it that a woman who has the Holy Spirit, accepts Jesus as her Lord and Savior, and preaches the Word and the WHOLE truth of Jesus Christ than she has every authority to preach as a man does. (These are the same requirements I demand from a male pastor as well)

The fact is, though, that the cultural norm. is for the man to be a preacher. I totally don't mind if my pastor is a woman, however if she is a stumbling block to her flock than she should take the Christian high road and step down, for if we commit another Christian to stumble it is as if we ourselves sinned against the Lord.

In Corinth it was a stumbling block for a woman to have her head uncovered, let alone speak or preach in church. Paul is giving them advice as how to be sinless and to keep others from stumbling. In today's society (in America) we don't have woman (usually) wear head coverings in church because it is not a stumbling block (personally my stumbling block is the long legs... :approve ) The jury is probably still out on woman preachers, but I wouldn't say the Bible says they cannot preach, Paul said they cannot preach, lest they become a stumbling block to other Corinthians!
 
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