What Exactly Is Marriage?

[HeIsRisen2018]

I think that there is practical reasoning for everything it ain't all mystical mumbo jumbo like the Bible scholars try to make it seem.

He say follow the laws of the land and He say only a marriage between man and wife is recognized by Him.

By following this advice you are both protected by law should one of you(or both) decide to lie and take advantage of one another.... they don't call it a ball and chain for nothing.

But adults should be mature enough to were them consideration ain't necessary.

I'm not exactly sure what you're getting at but didn't you read my post? He is innocent and we both have been extremely faithful to one another.


That's alright by the way, mistakes happen.

 

[Garion]

Firstly I was kidding my sarcasm is a acquired taste sorry bout that.

And seriously I think that there good reason to be technically married especially in today's day.

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

Firstly I was kidding my sarcasm is a acquired taste sorry bout that.

And seriously I think that there good reason to be technically married especially in today's day.

I agree with you and that is our goal at some point, but when all is said and done marriage is about commitment not a single piece of paper documenting it.

 

[Garion]

Yep you right... it's a established bond for life.

Wolves know what's up.

 

[Mike]

WIP had a good distinction between biblical marriage and civil marriage. He also had good advice about accepting God's grace and living as a forgiven child of God. It sounds like you need to truly accept His forgiveness.

Keep in mind, we as children of God are told to submit to authorities unless they force us to do something we are Called not to do. In our society, there are certain laws designed and set apart for people who are married. It would be dishonest and therefore outside of our faith to do that which is reserved for those who are married in the eyes of the government.

Christians need to take their vows very seriously, whether they have a license or not. Too many in either camp fall short of this. Your vows are to God at least as much as they are to each other.

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

WIP had a good distinction between biblical marriage and civil marriage. He also had good advice about accepting God's grace and living as a forgiven child of God. It sounds like you need to truly accept His forgiveness.

Keep in mind, we as children of God are told to submit to authorities unless they force us to do something we are Called not to do. In our society, there are certain laws designed and set apart for people who are married. It would be dishonest and therefore outside of our faith to do that which is reserved for those who are married in the eyes of the government.

Christians need to take their vows very seriously, whether they have a license or not. Too many in either camp fall short of this. Your vows are to God at least as much as they are to each other.

The way I see it is that I repent of all my sins every night including all of the ones I'm uncertain of. So that way I'll be forgiven anyway.

 

[Mike]

The way I see it is that I repent of all my sins every night including all of the ones I'm uncertain of. So that way I'll be forgiven anyway.

I hope you're not talking about asking for the sin you committed all that time ago to be forgiven every night.
This is a quote from you in the third post of this thread. You kind of gooned it when you tried to quote For His Glory, and your response was embedded into her post, so I can't quote it.

I already feel terrible enough about committing sexual sin but at the same time not completely sure that I repented of it. Actually to be quite honest with you, I haven't. And that makes me feel even more guilty about it.

Receive His grace. Know you are forgiven. Know His forgiveness. Live a forgiven life. Win. It sounds like you need to make time with a pastor to learn more about repentance, because you likely have but you are demanding more of yourself, like you need to somehow do more. Hopefully you'll find a biblical pastor who will help you come to terms with repentance and that you are forgiven and give you sound advice to your question about marriage.

 

[reba]

There is no place in the Bible that constitutes having to have a marriage license. Man incorporated this into the law. In the Hebrew tradition a mohar or dowry was paid to the father of the bride by the groom in exchange for the daughter, Exodus 22:16, 17. Genesis 2:23-25 explains the bond of marriage. The two are united as one in the eyes of God. Ephesians 5:22-29wives are to submit to their husbands as unto the Lord for the husband is the spiritual head of the wife. Man is the provider and protector of his family. Husbands, you are to love your wives like Christ loves his church. This is an unconditional love that looks on the inside of a person and not the adorning of the outside. It is a love with a pure heart.

written by a friend.. used by permission ...

The State is responsible before God and has recognized historically the importance of marriage. God has given us the State to run our affairs. (Romans 13) We have our traditions and ceremonies and they all are important because they point to a deeper truth regarding marriage of a man and a woman. . Our traditions are not without purpose. Want to get married? Good. Get a legal marriage that is recognized by the State as God has given the State the authority over our lives and we are to submit to those authorities. A marriage is entering into a contract - an agreement - between two people. Marriage is more than the ceremony and the legal document from the State - BUT - such things are part of the whole.

Two people, deciding on their own, absent from the State and absent from any governing authorities, to live together and raise a family is not a marriage. It's two people who are living together as if they are married. Ceremony matters and vows before God and men matter as well.

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

Two people, deciding on their own, absent from the State and absent from any governing authorities, to live together and raise a family is not a marriage. It's two people who are living together as if they are married. Ceremony matters and vows before God and men matter as well.[/QUOTE]

You know what, you actually made a good point here. Do I believe that two people should never get married if they want to live together and have a family? No. That was my whole entire point that Joey and fully intend to get married eventually. I just meant that I felt like we were already married in our hearts because we love each other and we are fully committed to each other and we haven't been with anybody but each other since we started dating.

 

[reba]

Sex out side of marriage is sin.. .. A sin i am guilty of ,also a sin i am forgiven of..

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

Sex out side of marriage is sin.. .. A sin i am guilty of ,also a sin i am forgiven of..

Well, if I did sin that's really good to know. After all, Jesus did pay for ALL of our sins. I had no idea that you were in the same boat as me though Reba. Don't take this the wrong way or anything but I always thought you as squeaky clean. Especially being a pastor's kid. I guess we have more in common than I thought.

 

[reba]

Many lessons have been learned in 71 years
Squeaky clean was my older sister. She was a hard act to follow.. now my best friend..

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

Many lessons have been learned in 71 years
Squeaky clean was my older sister. She was a hard act to follow.. now my best friend..

But can I ask you a question? Why do you think God still considers sex a sin if two people are truly in love, engaged, and totally committed to each other?

 

[reba]

I would not come close to thinking i can think for God.. So we have His Word to guide us.. `

There is a very long thread of marriage in Scripture. Marriage is shown to be very important to God.. We are considered to be the bride of Christ ... I do not have the wisdom to explain it i trust His Word by faith,,

 

[Eugene]

What exactly is marriage?
Does it really matter if it's official in the state or official in the heart?

It depends on individual State laws. We are to follow the laws of our land in Rom 13:1, those in power are ordained of God.

Colorado has what is called "Common Law Marriage". A “common law marriage is established by the mutual consent of two parties to be husband and wife (an agreement to live as husband and wife) and a mutual and open assumption of a marital relationship, meaning that both spouses hold themselves out to the public as husband and wife." My son did this, and when they parted, they were obligated to get a divorce.

The time period. - Mormons believed in polygamy. I've seen images of cavemen just hitting their women in the head with a club, and dragging them away. (Surely that is not fake news is it?)

Heart has little to do with it. - Different conquering nations took away women to be their wives. I doubt the women complained too much worse than normal. (Is there such a thing as a happy woman anyway?)

 

[reba]

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

It depends on individual State laws. We are to follow the laws of our land in Rom 13:1, those in power are ordained of God.

Although I really don't like the answer, I guess you have a point there. But as I said before if you repent, all of your sins can be forgiven.

Heart has little to do with it. - Different conquering nations took away women to be their wives. I doubt the women complained too much worse than normal. (Is there such a thing as a happy woman anyway?)

I think I'm pretty happy, Reba pretty much looks ready to bite your head off right now though so good luck my man. You don't want to make her angry trust me! Gotta love her anyway though.

 

[JoChris]

Ok, so here is the deal. I wasn't going to share this with you but I really had to know. What exactly is marriage? Does it really matter if it's official in the state or official in the heart? I had to know because most of you if not all of you already know that I have been engaged to my high school sweetheart who is currently behind bars for a crime he didn't commit. Anyway, I'm sort of ashamed to admit this but neither of us waited for sex since we had it for the first time after we graduated. On one hand, I've been kicking myself for sinning and praying to God that He'll forgive me, but on the other hand, we already know how much we love each other and that we want to spend the rest of our lives together. Not to mention that we both are mentally handicapped and when it's time for us to leave home, we won't be able to afford a wedding right away and I'm not even sure where we'll be able to live my fiancee being a convicted felon then. We both desperately want to obey the Lord, but we're also madly in love and we want to act upon our feelings. So that brings up the question, what exactly is marriage anyway? We both have been very faithful to each other and at some point we are going to settle down together and get married and have a family. But do you really have to say "I do" to know that we're already a hundred percent committed to each other or to have rings on our fingers. I guess the most important question is, what is God's definition of marriage? Please don't hate on me for this.

Edit, please move this thread to marriage sorry my mistake.

I have several concerns for you, going on this introduction.
Is it wise to be marrying a convicted felon? Sadly your fiancee might have trouble gaining employment. Are you working? Will your wage be large enough to pay for living expenses for 2 people?

Honestly, from the messages you type you certainly seem bright enough to me! Your content is very clear and logical in fact. I hope labelling yourself as intellectually challenged is only severe low self-esteem talking.

But - big IF - you two are what you say "intellectually challenged" it is unwise to plan on having children. At very least you need to ensure you have a good support system to help you when the time comes. I have a relative who is a social worker who works with young families. She sees plenty of people who can't cope well with children for whatever reason.

You need to get some good strong Christian support in real life by the sounds of it.

 

[HeIsRisen2018]

I have several concerns for you, going on this introduction.
Is it wise to be marrying a convicted felon? Sadly your fiancee might have trouble gaining employment. Are you working? Will your wage be large enough to pay for living expenses for 2 people?

Honestly, from the messages you type you certainly seem bright enough to me! Your content is very clear and logical in fact. I hope labelling yourself as intellectually challenged is only severe low self-esteem talking.

But - big IF - you two are what you say "intellectually challenged" it is unwise to plan on having children. At very least you need to ensure you have a good support system to help you when the time comes. I have a relative who is a social worker who works with young families. She sees plenty of people who can't cope well with children for whatever reason.

You need to get some good strong Christian support in real life by the sounds of it.

Yes I'm still marrying him because I believe he's innocent and yes we are both mentally challenged. I'm really sorry about this by the way but I think us getting married and having kids is our choice. I realize that you were just trying to help me though.

 

[Anne Hartung]

Welllllll, just a thought: Is it possible to keep the state`s act of marrying away from the party? So you have the papers soon and get the party and the rings later? Or maybe your local church can help with the party?