What happens when you don't pray in the spirit?

[iLOVE]

Exactly so answer the question ... You are not the Lord... so tell me when you speak to all hear you in their own tongue.

Just like in Act
Act 2:7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?
Act 2:8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?
We need to be careful when we hand out ultimatums not seen in Scripture..
The questions are still unanswered @iLOVE
Mar 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
Mar 16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

And which languages do you speak ? have you ever been hurt? are there any sick in your area or family? Been handling snakes? Drinking any poison? Cast out any demons?
Tongues is easy to fake .. ever pray for some one that did not recover?

Dear Reba,

It is not I who live, but Christ who lives in me. As He is, so are we in this world. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit has made their home in me. Without my Lord Jesus Christ I can do nothing. But I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me. I am totally 100% dependent on the Lord Jesus Christ and the Power of the Cross for everything. My power is based on our Father in heaven favor. I am thankful that my name is written in the "Lambs Book of Life". By myself I can do nothing; because I seek not my own will but the will of him who sent me.

1. My wife has been healed. My mother has been healed. My brothers has been healed. My mother & father in law has been healed. All in the name of Jesus

2. No I haven't been hurt physically...I pray daily that our Lord Jesus Christ keep me from and protect me from all evil seen and unseen of the day.

3. I do not tempt the Lord by looking to handle snakes or try to commit suicide by drinking poison.

4. For anyone who speaks in a tongue does not speak to people but to God. Indeed, no one understands them; they utter mysteries by the Spirit.

5. In the name of Jesus I have cast out demons.

My question to you Reba. What bothers you about praying in the spirit? Have you been filled with the Holy Spirit? Why do you doubt some scriptures? Do you attend church regularly?

 

[ezra]

Have you been filled with the Holy Spirit? Why do you doubt some scriptures? Do you attend church regularly? i have ben filled but its not just a one time event. i have to be refueled transformed by renewing of my mind. . might i ask why you dont do as mark said about snakes and poison.

 

[reba]

Dear Reba,

It is not I who live, but Christ who lives in me. As He is, so are we in this world. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit has made their home in me. Without my Lord Jesus Christ I can do nothing. But I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me. I am totally 100% dependent on the Lord Jesus Christ and the Power of the Cross for everything. My power is based on our Father in heaven favor. I am thankful that my name is written in the "Lambs Book of Life". By myself I can do nothing; because I seek not my own will but the will of him who sent me.

1. My wife has been healed. My mother has been healed. My brothers has been healed. My mother & father in law has been healed. All in the name of Jesus

2. No I haven't been hurt physically...I pray daily that our Lord Jesus Christ keep me from and protect me from all evil seen and unseen of the day.

3. I do not tempt the Lord by looking to handle snakes or try to commit suicide by drinking poison.

4. For anyone who speaks in a tongue does not speak to people but to God. Indeed, no one understands them; they utter mysteries by the Spirit.

5. In the name of Jesus I have cast out demons.

My question to you Reba. What bothers you about praying in the spirit? Have you been filled with the Holy Spirit? Why do you doubt some scriptures? Do you attend church regularly?

You can not will not answer the questions you yourself brought up..
Yes i can pray in tongues .. the dodge you put forth is one i have encountered for most my life.. the lack of answers is the answer ..as i have said many many times in this site tongues is the easy one to get mixed up on or fake..

4. For anyone who speaks in a tongue does not speak to people but to God. Indeed, no one understands them; they utter mysteries by the Spirit.

What happened on the day of Pentecost?

Act 2:7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?
Act 2:8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?
the Word of God is not in agreement with your # 4 statement..
I am not at all bothered by praying in tongues... it is a blessing i am bothered by some one who dares to challenge another persons walk with the Lord based on his own interpretation of Scripture..

 

[iLOVE]

You can not will not answer the questions you yourself brought up..
Yes i can pray in tongues .. the dodge you put forth is one i have encountered for most my life.. the lack of answers is the answer ..as i have said many many times in this site tongues is the easy one to get mixed up on or fake..
What happened on the day of Pentecost?

Act 2:7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?
Act 2:8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?
the Word of God is not in agreement with your # 4 statement..
I am not at all bothered by praying in tongues... it is a blessing i am bothered by some one who dares to challenge another persons walk with the Lord based on his own interpretation of Scripture..

How can the Word of God not agree with His own words? I will repeat it with chapter and verse.

For anyone who speaks in a tongue does not speak to people but to God. Indeed, no one understands them; they utter mysteries by the Spirit. 1 Corinthians 14:2 NIV

Note: iLOVE is not the author of this scripture.

reba - own interpretation of Scripture,

What’s the difference between two people who stand on the same scripture, when one gets results and the other one doesn’t? The difference is this: the person who didn’t get any results was simply reading the written Word. The person who got results read the written Word and heard a rhema—a voice—Word behind the written Word. Let me explain.

Remember when Jesus asked His disciples, “Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?” (Matthew 16:13). Peter answered, “Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God” (Matthew 16:16). Jesus told Peter, “Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven” (Matthew 16:17).

What Jesus essentially said was that Peter did not pull that knowledge from his own mind; it came straight from the Father to him. What Peter heard from God was revealed knowledge. That’s called revelation!

Revelation knowledge is wisdom. It doesn’t come through the acrobats of your mind or through all of the degrees you’ve earned from schooling. It comes from God! Revelation knowledge is the key to breakthrough and success. When you have a revelation about something, you cannot be defeated!

 

[Obadiah]

...For the benifit of iLOVE though, maybe we should try and let her regroup, or help her regroup.

Seems he has had his time to re-group and is now responding again, but still refuses to show what scripture says that "praying in the Spirit" requires praying in tongues.

I just wanted to clarify. Praying in the spirit is done by praying with tongues.

So because I know of no scripture to back this kind of statement, and ILove can not provide any, I stand by my conclusion that this idea that praying in the Spirit requires praying in tongues is FALSE DOCTRINE and I caution people not to believe it.

 

[reba]

4. For anyone who speaks in a tongue does not speak to people but to God. Indeed, no one understands them; they utter mysteries by the Spirit.

Act 2:7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?
Act 2:8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?

 

[Edward]

How can the Word of God not agree with His own words? I will repeat it with chapter and verse.

For anyone who speaks in a tongue does not speak to people but to God. Indeed, no one understands them; they utter mysteries by the Spirit. 1 Corinthians 14:2 NIV

Note: iLOVE is not the author of this scripture.

reba - own interpretation of Scripture,

What’s the difference between two people who stand on the same scripture, when one gets results and the other one doesn’t? The difference is this: the person who didn’t get any results was simply reading the written Word. The person who got results read the written Word and heard a rhema—a voice—Word behind the written Word. Let me explain.

Remember when Jesus asked His disciples, “Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?” (Matthew 16:13). Peter answered, “Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God” (Matthew 16:16). Jesus told Peter, “Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven” (Matthew 16:17).

What Jesus essentially said was that Peter did not pull that knowledge from his own mind; it came straight from the Father to him. What Peter heard from God was revealed knowledge. That’s called revelation!

Revelation knowledge is wisdom. It doesn’t come through the acrobats of your mind or through all of the degrees you’ve earned from schooling. It comes from God! Revelation knowledge is the key to breakthrough and success. When you have a revelation about something, you cannot be defeated!

But...but...you're just getting started and you end the post! Lol

 

[Edward]

I don't think tongues is necessary for praying in the Spirit, but it would make the ultimate prayer when the Holy Spirit prays for us Himself.

The Holy Spirit knows better than we do what we need anyway.

 

[Obadiah]

I don't think tongues is necessary for praying in the Spirit, but it would make the ultimate prayer when the Holy Spirit prays for us Himself...

But you are right, tongues is not necessary for this to happen. At least not according to any scripture I'm aware of unless someone takes it out of context and adds meaning to it that isn't really there. But I'm still open to changing my mind on this if someone could show me where God said we have to speak or pray in tongues to be able to have the advantage of the power of the Holy Spirit.

 

[Not_Now.Soon]

I am not a female.

I'm very sorry.

 

[Not_Now.Soon]

Seems he has had his time to re-group and is now responding again, but still refuses to show what scripture says that "praying in the Spirit" requires praying in tongues.
So because I know of no scripture to back this kind of statement, and ILove can not provide any, I stand by my conclusion that this idea that praying in the Spirit requires praying in tongues is FALSE DOCTRINE and I caution people not to believe it.

That's fair.

 

[ezra]

But you are right, tongues is not necessary for this to happen. At least not according to any scripture I'm aware of unless someone takes it out of context and adds meaning to it that isn't really there. But I'm still open to changing my mind on this if someone could show me where God said we have to speak or pray in tongues to be able to have the advantage of the power of the Holy Spirit.

the spirit makes intersession for us Romans 8:26 In the same way the Spirit also joins to help in our weakness, because we do not know what to pray for as we should, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with unspoken groanings. on my part i appreciate the honest answers that has been given. not everyone who uses the gift of tongues is a open and upfront. i some times wonder do some worship the gift or the the one who made the gift possible

 

[iLOVE]

Seems he has had his time to re-group and is now responding again, but still refuses to show what scripture says that "praying in the Spirit" requires praying in tongues.
So because I know of no scripture to back this kind of statement, and ILove can not provide any, I stand by my conclusion that this idea that praying in the Spirit requires praying in tongues is FALSE DOCTRINE and I caution people not to believe it.

I pray and hope this helps you. This is word for word coming from my study bible.

1 Corinthians 14:15 King James Version (KJV)

15 What is it then? (This is meant to put the proper face on that which Paul has been saying.) I will pray with the spirit (pray in Tongues from my spirit, which speaks of one's prayer language), and I will pray with the understanding also (pray in my regular language, which for me is English): I will sing with the spirit (sing from my spirit in other Tongues), and I will sing with the understanding also (sing unto the Lord in English; Paul is speaking here of one's own private devotions, and not regular Church Services).

1 Corinthians 14:15 King James Version (KJV)

15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.

 

[reba]

1Co 14:14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.
1Co 14:15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.

 

[iLOVE]

But...but...you're just getting started and you end the post! Lol

Before they get the preaching, they need the teaching. Lol

 

[iLOVE]

1Co 14:14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.
1Co 14:15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.

For if I pray in an unknown Tongue, my spirit prays (speaks of the prayer language, not the Gift of the Spirit, and states that it comes from one's spirit and not one's mind), but my understand is fruitful (signifying that it doesn't come from the mind). 1 Corinthians 14:14

 

[Obadiah]

I pray and hope this helps you. This is word for word coming from my study bible.

1 Corinthians 14:15 King James Version (KJV)

15 What is it then? (This is meant to put the proper face on that which Paul has been saying.) I will pray with the spirit (pray in Tongues from the my spirit, which speaks of one's prayer language), and I will pray with the understanding also (pray in my regular language, which for me is English): I will sing with the spirit (sing from my spirit in other Tongues), and I will sing with the understanding also (sing unto the Lord in English; Paul is speaking here of one's own private devotions, and not regular Church Services).

1 Corinthians 14:15 King James Version (KJV)

15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.

I asked you to show me scripture to back up your statement that "praying in the spirit" means "praying in tongues". This scripture doesn't say that. The words you have in parenthesis are not scripture, but only one person's interpretation which many Bible scholars do not hold and the original language of scripture does not support.

Greek: "pneuma" = "Spirit" in this scripture. "Tongues" (as in verse 14) is the Greek word "glossa". Paul was an educated man with a good command of the language. He knew the difference between pneuma and glossa, and where he meant tongues (glossa) he said tongues. He did not say tongues in 1Cor:14:15.

Just because someone puts their ideas in a "study Bible" does not make it the word of God. This is just another smoke screen to hide that there is no scripture to back the idea that praying in the Spirit means praying in tongues.

By the way, I think it's obvious, but I never said "praying in tongues" is not praying in the Spirit. So no one misunderstands, I've said it's not required to pray in tongues to be praying in the Spirit. That's a huge difference that I'm sure you and everyone else understands and I'm sure I didn't need to explain that. But when you say:

I just wanted to clarify. Praying in the spirit is done by praying with tongues.

You have clearly made it a requirement that is unscriptural.

 

[ezra]

this post is a whole lot like the justification post .i had been commenting on. went south .truth has been spoken .but it goes no where reminds me of the last church i was pastor at.. it seemed to be going well. then it went DEAD

 

[reba]

For if I pray in an unknown Tongue, my spirit prays (speaks of the prayer language, not the Gift of the Spirit, and states that it comes from one's spirit and not one's mind), but my understand is fruitful (signifying that it doesn't come from the mind). 1 Corinthians 14:14

Ya sure like to add to the scripture 1Co 14:14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.

 

[eddif]

II Timothy 2:18 KJV
Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

The life of a moderator must be really tough. Trying to draw balance.

Philippians 3:12 KJV
Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.

I Corinthians 15:52 KJV
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

Romans 7:25 KJV
I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

I John 1:8 KJV
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.


It is really tough to work our way through these scriptures with passion. Total flesh perfection awaits the last trump. The mind understands, and the flesh wants to exalt itself.

Galatians 5:17 KJV
For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

As a Mississippi redneck I just go ahead and try and look at the whole picture. It would only take multiple books to work through the tongue issues.

eddif