What if Ishmael had not been born?

[TonkaTim]

So many folks when they discuss Ishmael associate him with the Arabs, Arabia, & Mecca. I always wonder why because in Genesis 21 we find:" 20And God was with the lad; and he grew, and dwelt in the wilderness, and became an archer. 21And he dwelt in the wilderness of Paran: and his mother took him a wife out of the land of Egypt."

Then in Numbers 13 we get descriptive of the geographic location:"1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 2 Send thou men, that they may search the land of Canaan, which I give unto the children of Israel: of every tribe of their fathers shall ye send a man, every one a ruler among them. 3 And Moses by the commandment of the LORD sent them from the wilderness of Paran:

We find they went south:17 And Moses sent them to spy out the land of Canaan, and said unto them, Get you up this way southward, and go up into the mountain:

This appears to put them north of Canaan in the wilderness of Paran. Mostly likely Syria/Iraq.

This makes me wonder if Ishmael's descendents became the Assyrians. Because we know God preserved Ishmael for a purpose & promised that Ishmael would become a great kingdom (singular). The Assyrians was the Kingdom that conquered & displaced the Kingdom of Israel in 721 B.C., losing them to history. Making it an ironic, "turn about is fair play" thing.

 

[for_his_glory]

Tonka Tim I will start a new thread on Ishmael in the theology forum and hopefully this will help others understand the ties with Ishmael and the Muslim brotherhood.

 

[jasoncran]

So many folks when they discuss Ishmael associate him with the Arabs, Arabia, & Mecca. I always wonder why because in Genesis 21 we find:" 20And God was with the lad; and he grew, and dwelt in the wilderness, and became an archer. 21And he dwelt in the wilderness of Paran: and his mother took him a wife out of the land of Egypt."

Then in Numbers 13 we get descriptive of the geographic location:"1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, 2 Send thou men, that they may search the land of Canaan, which I give unto the children of Israel: of every tribe of their fathers shall ye send a man, every one a ruler among them. 3 And Moses by the commandment of the LORD sent them from the wilderness of Paran:

We find they went south:17 And Moses sent them to spy out the land of Canaan, and said unto them, Get you up this way southward, and go up into the mountain:

This appears to put them north of Canaan in the wilderness of Paran. Mostly likely Syria/Iraq.

This makes me wonder if Ishmael's descendents became the Assyrians. Because we know God preserved Ishmael for a purpose & promised that Ishmael would become a great kingdom (singular). The Assyrians was the Kingdom that conquered & displaced the Kingdom of Israel in 721 B.C., losing them to history. Making it an ironic, "turn about is fair play" thing.

the modern state of iraq has assyrians and these are christians,. both the babylonians and assyrians are related.

i think a look at genesis is in order.