What is a liberal?

[jasonc]

Jesus was a liberal.
You can't change that.

so if God defined what is worship ,and we deviate from that we are ?



you really don't understand the Torah .we got it wrong ,Jesus coerected the interpretation .
no I meant this for Shabbat ,hardly liberal .

 

[jasonc]

a liberal will define Romans one to ignore homosexuality
a liberal will negate Jesus words on the only way
a liberal negates he'll(universalism )

 

[crossnote]

Apparently i got ADDH so your right i dont pay attention. I mean a psychiatrist did diagnose me and load me up on a high dose of ritalin when i was younger. Now im just a alcoholic that needs a high from depression and doesnt pay attention.

Well, we could debate the issue of which one of us pays the least attention, or which is the best rowboat to use on a lake vs a pond. 2

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

conservative - "averse to change or innovation and holding traditional values."

This makes Pharisees conservative.

 

[crossnote]

a liberal will define Romans one to ignore homosexuality
a liberal will negate Jesus words on the only way
a liberal negates he'll(universalism )

Problem is, Romans 1 has a lot more it is condemning other than homosexuality.

Romans 1:29-31 (NASB) being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, evil; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice; they are gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, without understanding, untrustworthy, unloving, unmerciful;

Paul is setting the stage to show the whole world guilty before God.

 

[jasonc]

conservative - "averse to change or innovation and holding traditional values."

This makes Pharisees conservative.

no,they added.

Moses didn't add to the Torah .they did .they went to far .

so by your logic why is homosexuality a sin ?
why is fornication and so forth ,Jesus judged the Pharisees for adding and perverting the Torah .

not the Torah itself

 

[jasonc]

Problem is, Romans 1 has a lot more it is condemning other than homosexuality.

Romans 1:29-31 (NASB) being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, evil; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice; they are gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, without understanding, untrustworthy, unloving, unmerciful;

Paul is setting the stage to show the whole world guilty before God.

and the churches I mention allow gay marriages and unions and polygamy etc

 

[Christ_empowered]

I dunno. I consider myself fairly liberal and I accept the prohibition of sodomy and non marital sexual behavior. Maybe it’s personal experience?

not one for universalism either. Wish it was true but Scripture is clear. And I’m actually not hung ho about female ministers. Less clear about female elders but not completely ok with it not that my opinion matters to anyone lol.

There’s also the divide between my views on social policy and how I live my own life. Vote for the most progressive dems available…

And then try to lead a quiet decent life.

 

[jasonc]

my church is reformed ,not perfect but the basics are there

no prosperity gospels junk ,no excessive charismatic ,a bit too quiet but no bid deal .

 

[evenifigoalone]

Apparently i got ADDH so your right i dont pay attention. I mean a psychiatrist did diagnose me and load me up on a high dose of ritalin when i was younger. Now im just a alcoholic that needs a high from depression and doesnt pay attention.

Supposedly I have ADHD, but I got diagnosed as an adult and the clinic I go to expressly does not prescribe stimulants

 

[evenifigoalone]

I'm mostly theologically conservative--I do believe women can be pastors and I'm not a complementarian. But I take the Bible to be the authority, and tend to interpret it conservatively/traditionally.

 

[Delete_me]

I have heard several left-leaning Christians say that Jesus was a liberal, and I'm hard-pressed to say they are wrong. Two examples from the Bible:

1) Jesus said before Pilate, "Everyone on the side of truth listens to me." To which Pilate replied, "What is truth? I find no basis for wrongdoing..."

"What is truth?" was a common Greek philosophical question of Jesus' day. Jesus, in Pilate's mind, was simply thinking like a liberal. Maybe like moral relativism--everybody gets to make up their own morality, what's right for them is right for them. That is not a basis for a death sentence. Anyway, questioning what is right and what is wrong is not a capital offense.

2) Paul standing on the Temple of Ares in Athens in Acts 17 and preaching that he knows the altar to the Unknown God. The Greeks had their soapbox in the town squares, which philosophers would step on and share their ideas very regularly. It's classic liberal thinking: everybody gets to preach their different philosophies, which the Greeks were to entertain with an open mind. That's liberal. And Paul did not shy away from it--Paul joined them. He preached the Gospel through liberal thinking. And you know...in an unevangelized region, maybe Christianity IS liberal thinking.

 

[jasonc]

that's called apologetics ,do you think heaven will have debates by Satan and which Diety is real ?

God defined truth . He doesn't change

 

[Christ_empowered]

Jesus would probably be considered a radical socialist by many modern us conservatives.

 

[Delete_me]

that's called apologetics ,do you think heaven will have debates by Satan and which Diety is real ?

God defined truth . He doesn't change

No one ever said apologetics was conservative, either.

 

[jasonc]

No one ever said apologetics was conservative, either.

is scripture changeable ,did God make mistakes ,there are grey areas .most reasonable churches allow questions

you can't expect a pastor to preach every known variation and not take a stand on,doctrine


Jesus took a stand on a lot

 

[jasonc]

a liberal church won't call another religion wrong

the Mormons are true as are the Muslims and the Baptists ,just don't say your way is the only way .

that's not the Truth ,a Muslim denies Jesus as God ,the Mormons reduce Jesus to one of many gods,and satan as his brother ,the Baptists are trinititariam and don't agree with that

 

[Delete_me]

Jesus took a stand on a lot

Yes, he stood in synagogues, he stood on boats, he stood on hills, he stood with a woman who slept around, he stood before a judge. He stood in his own hometown, he stood in other towns. He even complained about standing too much at one time.

You said, "Most reasonable churches allow questions...". But--supposing that's true--are most churches, then, reasonable? I know a church where deacons have refused to get ordained because belief in predestination was a requirement.

 

[jasonc]

Yes, he stood in synagogues, he stood on boats, he stood on hills, he stood with a woman who slept around, he stood before a judge. He stood in his own hometown, he stood in other towns. He even complained about standing too much at one time.

You said, "Most reasonable churches allow questions...". But--supposing that's true--are most churches, then, reasonable? I know a church where deacons have refused to get ordained because belief in predestination was a requirement.

my church is reformed and that is required .

why because its a reformed church .would you suppose a pastor female would let an complementarian church elder type openly call her wrong and undermine her?

should the one Ness pastor be allowed etc .I'm,not reformed ,but I knew my elders are an a joined.God called me .

I know a lot of opposing churches ,in fact my church rents to a female led,charismatic and arminist church ,we share communion and support each other yet don't try to change each other

 

[jasonc]

i don't hide my views but won't undermine my elders