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P.S. Do we just disappear after death?The spirit is God
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P.S. Do we just disappear after death?The spirit is God
I haven't been shown that physically dead people can speak
The spirit is God
All fleshIf the spirit is God,,,,which you say He breathed into man to make man come alive...
Then does this mean that the unsaved person also has the spirit in him -- which is God?
Butch, Moses died.
Now after six days Jesus took Peter, James, and John his brother, led them up on a high mountain by themselves; and He was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and His clothes became as white as the light. And behold, Moses and Elijah appeared to them, talking with Him.
Matthew 17:1-3
Moses and Elijah appeared to them, talking with Him.
This is what the scripture plainly says.
Moses appeared talking with Jesus.
Yes, and Jesus plainly said it was a vision. And Peter plainly indicates that it's Jesus' second coming.
JLB
Yes, the breath of LifeSorry Butch, the scriptures are clear.
The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, Romans 8:16
The burden of the word of the Lord against Israel. Thus says the Lord, who stretches out the heavens, lays the foundation of the earth, and forms the spirit of man within him: Zechariah 12:1
JLB
We've been through this numerous times. It's explained in the opP.S. Do we just disappear after death?
Yes, the breath of Life
A simple YES or NO would have taken up less space and been more clear.We've been through this numerous times. It's explained in the op
Why? Is it because you say so?The spirit of man is certainly not the breath of life.
The spirit of man was formed by God.
The spirit of man is not the Holy Spirit.
You are way off.
JLB
Why? Is it because you say so?
You're shown several passages of Scripture and given "your understanding" of them while dismissing the evidemce that refutes "your understanding" of those passages.Butch, I have shown you through many scriptures and the words of Jesus, you just keep denying them.
Adios.
JLB said:
Butch, Moses died.
Now after six days Jesus took Peter, James, and John his brother, led them up on a high mountain by themselves; and He was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and His clothes became as white as the light. And behold, Moses and Elijah appeared to them, talking with Him.
Matthew 17:1-3
Moses and Elijah appeared to them, talking with Him.
This is what the scripture plainly says.
Moses appeared talking with Jesus.
JLB
Butch replied:
Yes, and Jesus plainly said it was a vision. And Peter plainly indicates that it's Jesus' second coming.
11 Now it happened, the day after, that He went into a city called Nain; and many of His disciples went with Him, and a large crowd.
12 And when He came near the gate of the city, behold, a dead man was being carried out, the only son of his mother; and she was a widow. And a large crowd from the city was with her.
13 When the Lord saw her, He had compassion on her and said to her, “Do not weep.”
14 Then He came and touched the open coffin, and those who carried him stood still. And He said, “Young man, I say to you, arise.”
15 So he who was dead sat up and began to speak. And He presented him to his mother.
Luke 7:11-15 NKJV
Here are more Scripture references of dead coming back to life.
And of course we cannot forget Jesus Himself. Appearing and talking to many. These were not visions but actual flesh and bone events.
- 1 Kings 17:17-24, Elijah prays and a widow's dead son comes back to life.
- 2 Kings 4:18-37, Elisha prayed and a Shunammite woman's dead son comes back to life.
- 2 Kings 13:20-21, a dead man was thrown into the grave with Elisha and when his body touched the bones of Elisha he came back to life.
- Luke 8:40-56, Jesus brings the dead daughter of Jairus back to life.
So, were Moses and Elijah actually alive in the Transfiguration? No. It was a vision just as Jesus said. It was a vision of the second coming.
No, I don't think it was an actual event. I've shown how it couldn't be. Jesus said it was a vision and Peter indicates that it was the second coming. The second coming hasn't occured yet. Plus if it was an actual event it means that Moses and Elijah were resrrected before Jesus. However, Paul tells us that Jesus is the first born from the deasYou don't think that was real? That Moses and Elijah were not really there talking to Jesus? But...God does not play games like that. Those men were really there and very much alive. Is anything too hard for God? Have you ever tried reading God's word as a little child instead of a professor? God is not the author of confusion and that is a fact, Brother.
I think you make much of this way more complicated than you need to.
Hebrews 9:27This may require another thread. I get my understanding of what a person is from Genesis 2:7
7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.1 (Gen. 2:7 KJV)
I understand that man consists of the elements of the earth. That he is infused with God's breath or spirit, same word. I believe that this combination of the man and the breath of God became a living soul. So, a soul is the whole person, body and breath of God. The spirit or breath in man is not man but God's. And man is simply a flesh being. So, I don't believe that man is immortal. I believe that when a man dies, the breath or spirit that God put in the man returns to God because it is something of God. When the breath leaves the soul the soul ceases to exist as it consists of two things the breath of God and the body. When one part is gone the soul ceases. I believe the body returns to the dust. So, that means when a man is dead, he is dead. He's not in Heaven or being tormented somewhere. He's not in a state of limbo. He's dead.
wondering
in luke 16This may require another thread. I get my understanding of what a person is from Genesis 2:7
7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.1 (Gen. 2:7 KJV)
I understand that man consists of the elements of the earth. That he is infused with God's breath or spirit, same word. I believe that this combination of the man and the breath of God became a living soul. So, a soul is the whole person, body and breath of God. The spirit or breath in man is not man but God's. And man is simply a flesh being. So, I don't believe that man is immortal. I believe that when a man dies, the breath or spirit that God put in the man returns to God because it is something of God. When the breath leaves the soul the soul ceases to exist as it consists of two things the breath of God and the body. When one part is gone the soul ceases. I believe the body returns to the dust. So, that means when a man is dead, he is dead. He's not in Heaven or being tormented somewhere. He's not in a state of limbo. He's dead.
wondering