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What Is Baptism?

Jim Parker said:
TO ALL IN THIS THREAD​

Here's what Paul said we were doing when we got baptized: Rom 6:3-4 (RSV)

Do you not know that
all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death?
We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death,
so that
as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father,
we too might walk in newness of life.

I don't know why so many churches don't teach what the Bible teaches about Baptism.

Baptism is NOT a "public confession of faith in Jesus Christ."
The way to show the world that the "Old man" had died and the "new man" had risen is to ACT LIKE we are the "New, risen, man" who has "put on Christ."
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

We are baptized for a specific purpose which the Bible spells out in so many words.

Rom 6:5-7
For if
we have been united with him in a death like his,
we shall certainly be united with him in a resurrection like his.
We know that
our old self was crucified with him
so that the sinful body might be destroyed,
and
we might no longer be enslaved to sin.
For he who has died is freed from sin.

And, according to the Bible, THAT why we are Baptized.

iakov the fool
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This is apart of what I've been talking about. Thanks. :)
 
wondering said:
John baptized with water as an external show of repentance. He was sent to prepare the way.
Just as roads were prepared for kings that were to travel them, so the way was prepared for Jesus.
People prepared their hearts for His message of the Kingdom. Maybe they needed this preparation because they had been ignored for hundreds of years, in between the old and the new testament. No important prophets. The rabbis helped the people, but there was no central voice. So John the Batptist was that central voice and gathered all.

He said the one to come, Jesus, would baptize with the Holy Spirit. Why would we need to be baptized in the Holy Spirit if we receive the Holy Spirit at salvation?

In Acts 1:4-5 Jesus tells the disciples to wait in Jerusalem because they would be baptized with the Holy Spirit, of which He had spoken, He said they would receive the POWER to be His witnesses.

There is a difference between John's baptism, which is an external sign of an internal repentance, and Jesus' baptism, which gives us power and the strength to witness, perhaps both orally and with our actions. (our life).

As to Acts 19:1-7 and being baptized in the name of Jesus.
What is the difference between Mathew 28:19, when Jesus said to baptize in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, and Acts, also Acts 2:38, when peter tells new disciples that they are to be baptized in the name of Jesus?

As to your theory on baptism being of teaching, how can this be if people being baptized were already on their way to being Christians?

In Acts 19:1-7 which you site, it was disciples to whom Paul was speaking when he asked them what type of baptism they had. Not only that, but when they answered "of water" he told them to be baptized again in the name of the Lord Jesus. Acts 19:5.

It doesn't seem to me that baptism has to do with teaching, but with the receiving of a force which is supernatural and which we are commanded to do.
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Jim Parker said:
TO ALL IN THIS THREAD​

Here's what Paul said we were doing when we got baptized: Rom 6:3-4 (RSV)

Do you not know that
all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death?
We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death,
so that
as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father,
we too might walk in newness of life.

I don't know why so many churches don't teach what the Bible teaches about Baptism.

Baptism is NOT a "public confession of faith in Jesus Christ."
The way to show the world that the "Old man" had died and the "new man" had risen is to ACT LIKE we are the "New, risen, man" who has "put on Christ."
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

We are baptized for a specific purpose which the Bible spells out in so many words.

Rom 6:5-7
For if
we have been united with him in a death like his,
we shall certainly be united with him in a resurrection like his.
We know that
our old self was crucified with him
so that the sinful body might be destroyed,
and
we might no longer be enslaved to sin.
For he who has died is freed from sin.

And, according to the Bible, THAT why we are Baptized.

iakov the fool
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Jim Parker said:
Baptism is NOT a "public confession of faith in Jesus Christ."
The way to show the world that the "Old man" had died and the "new man" had risen is to ACT LIKE we are the "New, risen, man" who has "put on Christ."
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Jim,
You are certainly free to believe anything you wish and I'll not fight with yo over this, I promised a little lady to do my best to change my attitude, a lot of us signed that post as a pledge and i'm trying to own up to it. Your post is fighting words, but you'll need to look elsewhere.

All of what you said is true, but please, don't try to tell me I'm a liar. There are ways to word that staterment without implying that I am an idiot or a liar. When I was baptized that act involved all you have proclaimed and ( understood those truths, for any observer that did not understand the Minister, vocally, expounded the meaning f each step.

And brother, it was not done in secret! No, it was my proclamation that ( believed all that was said and all of the Bible. It was my public proclamation of faith.

I pray God blessings and His heart on you and your house
 
th1b.taylor said:
Your post is fighting words, but you'll need to look elsewhere.
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My post was scripture.
If scripture is "fighting words" you may have a problem.
th1b.taylor said:
don't try to tell me I'm a liar.
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i did not say you were a liar.
I didn't even address the post to you. It was addressed "TO ALL IN THIS THREAD" in big, bold, blue letters right at the top.
I posted what scripture says about baptism.
Scripture does not say that baptism is a "public confession of faith in Jesus Christ."
th1b.taylor said:
There are ways to word that staterment without implying that I am an idiot or a liar.
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I made no such implication. I'm sorry you took it that way.
th1b.taylor said:
No, it was my proclamation that ( believed all that was said and all of the Bible. It was my public proclamation of faith.
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That is what is was PERSONALLY to you but not what it was Biblically.
I was making sure that what the BIBLE says about baptism wasn't eclipsed by the all too common false teaching that baptism is ONLY a public declaration of faith. The demonstration of your faith by being obedient to the instruction of scripture is only incidental to the purpose of scripture.

My post was not directed at you.
It was directed at the false teaching that the primary purpose of baptism is that it is a public declaration of faith.

I apologize for not being clear on that.

iakov the fool
 
foolishness and garbage must be seen for what they are over the centuries and even now over the numerous forums and pulpits and by those with inflated egos of inspiration by the H/S appointed pontiffs - what is missed is who is doing the baptizing and what their baptism represents and guarantees - in India in the river Ganges they baptize themselves and do it again and again to make sure - now there's an idea that could catch on here unless regarded as garbage - twinc
 
twinc said:
foolishness and garbage must be seen for what they are over the centuries and even now over the numerous forums and pulpits and by those with inflated egos of inspiration by the H/S appointed pontiffs - what is missed is who is doing the baptizing and what their baptism represents and guarantees - in India in the river Ganges they baptize themselves and do it again and again to make sure - now there's an idea that could catch on here unless regarded as garbage - twinc
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To make sure of what?
 
I actually think I know what he is saying.

Hope is our anchor behind the curtain. The curtain is Christs flesh. Christs flesh is what shed the perfect blood for our sins. In baptism we are united to Him in His death.

Faith is the chain, just in case there was a question about it. :). Let loose of the chain, the anchor is of no use for you in a storm.
 
Wrg1405 said:
The paper does make a difference. However you say after getting married they no longer get along.

To me the reason being is that in the mind thought the paper is just paper. If we don't get along let's tear the paper up and get divorced.

When one is united with Christ it's a marriage. God makes the covenant with us, we accept this covenant.
As I said baptism does not save us but baptism is us entering this covenant. A spiritual marker.

Romans 10:9-10
that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

That's the new covenant, it's based on the covenant maker, and that ain't us. It's God
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I do see baptism as being like a marriage.
A person gets to know Jesus, becomes a Christian and then one is baptized.

Baptism can be considered as a committment to the Christian life.
We become members of the Body of Christ and of each other. Ephesians 4:25
Everyone that is baptized, is baptized into one body. Jesus is the groom, we, the Church, are the bride.
2 Corinthians 11:2

Through baptism we are
empowered to believe in God, boldly
to have power to live and act under the guidance of the Holy Spirit

Our belief in Christ gives us the above, our baptism seals this for us.
It is a power that comes forth from the Holy Spirit and is imparted to us, the Body.
It is a life-giving action, for those who are ready to receive it.
 
wondering said:
I do see baptism as being like a marriage.
A person gets to know Jesus, becomes a Christian and then one is baptized.

Baptism can be considered as a committment to the Christian life.
We become members of the Body of Christ and of each other. Ephesians 4:25
Everyone that is baptized, is baptized into one body. Jesus is the groom, we, the Church, are the bride.
2 Corinthians 11:2

Through baptism we are
empowered to believe in God, boldly
to have power to live and act under the guidance of the Holy Spirit

Our belief in Christ gives us the above, our baptism seals this for us.
It is a power that comes forth from the Holy Spirit and is imparted to us, the Body.
It is a life-giving action, for those who are ready to receive it.
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Wondering;

Please see my post #120 on the meaning of Baptism.

Thanks.

iakov the fool
 
kiwidan said:
Can I baptise myself in water?
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exactly - good question - it seems authorisation is needed - even Paul could not baptize but some Protestants think they can just like they think they can be inspired, guided and be indwelt by the H/S and pontificate better than the Pope can - twinc
 
twinc said:
exactly - good question - it seems authorisation and the formula is needed - even Paul could not baptize but some Protestants think they can just like they think they can be inspired, guided and be indwelt by the H/S and pontificate better than the Pope can - twinc
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twinc said:
exactly - good question - it seems authorisation is needed - even Paul could not baptize but some Protestants think they can just like they think they can be inspired, guided and be indwelt by the H/S and pontificate better than the Pope can - twinc
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No one is annointed and has the authority to baptise me then, so i cannot be baptised. And there is no way the Pope is annointed in my opinion and belief. I dont think any of the Apostles would exalt themselves and sit on a earthly throne of gold. Not even Jesus himself would sit on an earthly throne of gold, he did everything he could to not be exalted above others.
 
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twinc said:
exactly - good question - it seems authorisation is needed - even Paul could not baptize but some Protestants think they can just like they think they can be inspired, guided and be indwelt by the H/S and pontificate better than the Pope can - twinc
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Paul couldn't baptize?

Being indwelt less than the pope?

Your interesting. Are you Roman Catholic? You speak of this pope guy a lot.
 
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