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What Is Baptism?

Wrg1405 said:
Sadly he will not, he seems to have a paradigm that he can't shift. Probably because he doesn't want shift it.

We can all be like that because it's better what we have come to believe in what we have been taught rather than truly research "What is it I believe and why"

We need to be Berean
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Come to believe what we have been taught?

Peter who was with all the Apostles said to the masses "Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ"

Who am I going to believe?, the Apostles and the scriptures, or a church Pastor 2000 years later.
 
kiwidan said:
I said the Apostles all went out and said baptise in the name of Jesus yet no one believes the Apostles and you say in big writing show scripture. Here is records of people being baptised into Jesus. And Peter commanding it, with all the Apostles who with him, no Apostles argued with Peter he spoke on behalf.

Both Peter and Paul referring to being baptised in the name of Jesus.

Paul said, “John’s baptism" was a baptism of repentance. He told the people to believe in the one coming after him, that is, in Jesus.” On hearing this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

Now when they heard this they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?” And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
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Was Jesus with God at creation, did the spirt of God hover over creation?

Genesis 1:2
The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.

Given that God and Jesus and the Holy Sptirt were one at the creation then they are one now and always will be.

Being baptised in the name of Jesus means we have been given the authority by Jesus to baptise, which means we baptise in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
 
kiwidan said:
So all the Apostles are wrong and disobey Jesus, but you have the truth? Is that what your saying?.

Why did God approve what Peter said and add to there numbers 3000 souls if he disobeyed or was wrong teaching?
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You didn't answer the question.
Tell me why you think that all the apostles disobeyed the command of Jesus.

Who am I going to believe?, the Apostles and the scriptures, or a church Pastor 2000 years later.
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The SCRIPTURES say the JESUS commanded the APOSTLES to baptize
"IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER
AND OF THE SON
AND OF THE HOLY SPIRIT" not some pastor 2000 years later.

Is Jesus your Lord?

I assume He is.

Then why do you refuse to believe HE meant what He said and obey Him?
 
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kiwidan said:
Come to believe what we have been taught?

Peter who was with all the Apostles said to the masses "Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ"

Who am I going to believe?, the Apostles and the scriptures, or a church Pastor 2000 years later.
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Do you know what mate, actually I'm not gonna say what I want to say.

I will just remind you of the post you made when I posted the grief I felt when my Father in Law died and talked about the memorial service we were going to hold.

Anyway you seem to separate Jesus from the Father and the Holy Spirit. Maybe 3 Gods to you.

I will leave it at that cause actually I am getting angry and believe me it takes a lot for me to come to that place.
You have no grace about you. Just condemnation and right to feel you are right
 
kiwidan said:
Come to believe what we have been taught?

Peter who was with all the Apostles said to the masses "Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ"

Who am I going to believe?, the Apostles and the scriptures, or a church Pastor 2000 years later.
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What on earth have you been taught that refuses to believe what most here are saying is the truth that negates what you have been taught.

What church do you go to that teaches what you believe?
 
Wrg1405 said:
Baptismal regeneration is the belief that baptism is necessary for salvation, or, more precisely, that regeneration does not occur until a person is water baptized.

baptismal regeneration typically have a four-part formula for how salvation is received. They believe that a person must believe, repent, confess, and be baptized in order to be saved.

The view is that faith, repentance, confession, and baptism are “works of obedience,” things a person must do before God grants salvation.
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But you know that's false, right?
 
Wrg1405 said:
Do you know what mate, actually I'm not gonna say what I want to say.

I will just remind you of the post you made when I posted the grief I felt when my Father in Law died and talked about the memorial service we were going to hold.

Anyway you seem to separate Jesus from the Father and the Holy Spirit. Maybe 3 Gods to you.

I will leave it at that cause actually I am getting angry and believe me it takes a lot for me to come to that place.
You have no grace about you. Just condemnation and right to feel you are right
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Im not seperating the 3. The Father, The Son and The Spirit are One.

Im sorry if you feel angry towards me, you don't need to feel angry at me, if you think im wrong then why are you angry?. There is no need for it.
 
Jim Parker said:
What??
Jesus said that you must be born of water (baptism) and of Spirit (receive the Holy Spirit) to see the Kingdom of God.
Why would you think that was false?
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And there is the record where the gentiles had the Holy Spirit and Peter said who can forbid water and then commanded they be baptised in the name of Jesus. So they then had water and spirit.
 
kiwidan said:
Im not seperating the 3. The Father, The Son and The Spirit are One.
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Yes they are One God in three persons.
Jesus to baptize in the name of each of the three persons.
Why would you not do that?

Im sorry if you feel angry towards me, you don't need to feel angry at me, if you think im wrong then why are you angry?. There is no need for it.
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I'm not angry toward you.
I don't understand why you would refuse to do what Jesus said to do.
 
kiwidan said:
Im not seperating the 3. The Father, The Son and The Spirit are One.

Im sorry if you feel angry towards me, you don't need to feel angry at me, if you think im wrong then why are you angry?. There is no need for it.
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Ok firstly you said I'm sorry if you feel toward me, you do not need to feel angry at me. The reason why am angry at you is because I feel you are wrong .

You have not asked my why I feel angry, the reason I feel angry is because you have dissed genuine loving people who have been baptised and in doing so the words said as they were baptised "I baptise you in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit"

To you that is false baptism and they need to be re-baptised and unless they are they are not saved.

Ok I apologise for my expression of anger and yes I agree maybe I should have approached it better.
 
Jim Parker said:
Which is a false teaching.
See: Mat 25:31-46; John 3:36; 5:28-29; 8:51; Ro 6:2-10; 8:12-14; 2Cor 5:10; 1 Pet 1:17; and 1 John 2:17
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What ever you say.

I could quote as many bible verses back at you from my stance.

Either way you are a false teacher or I am.

Truth is we will both stand before Jesus and our works will be tested
 
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