What is Biblical Faith?

[shad]

C,

here is another one and there is more the same too.

John 4:34 (New King James Version)
34 Jesus said to them, “My food is to do the will of Him who sent Me, and to finish His work.

 

[Cornelius]

see? That is why I ignored your post .

 

[shad]

see? That is why I ignored your post .

You want to bury your mistake with argument???

What to you think you are doing now? You are arguing now instead of humbly admitting your mistake.

 

[Cornelius]

 

[glorydaz]

I do not want to argue. That is why.

First its not a mistake, because that is what the original text says. Secondly, the NASV is a corrupt translation.
Thirdly it has nothing to do with the topic.

Ok, suit yourself.

It is not just NASV translation.

We should get rid of our pride. We should apologize when we make mistake. The word "meat" is out of context in that verse.

Shad, meat is food. My KJV says meat, as well.

Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work.

Check this out....veggies are meat.

And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

See here, they sat at meat...that means they ate food.

And it came to pass, as Jesus sat at meat in the house, behold, many publicans and sinners came and sat down with him and his disciples.

Here we see the meat is to do the will of God. Cool, huh?

But he said unto them, I have meat to eat that ye know not of. Therefore said the disciples one to another, Hath any man brought him ought to eat? Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work.

 

[Physicist]

Question

As a physicist, I have believe that Maxwell's equations will describe common electromagnetic phenomena. This is based upon the logical structure of their derivation from existing laws and countless experiments that have verified them. I would not say that I have 'faith' in Maxwell's equations since they are always subject to further checks and don't describe nuclear processes. This seems to me to be different from religious faith that seems to require belief without sufficient supporting evidence. At least in science, that would be considered a vice, not a virtue. Am I missing something here?

 

[DarcyLu]

Re: Question

As a physicist, I have believe that Maxwell's equations will describe common electromagnetic phenomena. This is based upon the logical structure of their derivation from existing laws and countless experiments that have verified them. I would not say that I have 'faith' in Maxwell's equations since they are always subject to further checks and don't describe nuclear processes. This seems to me to be different from religious faith that seems to require belief without sufficient supporting evidence. At least in science, that would be considered a vice, not a virtue. Am I missing something here?

Christian faith is in a God who will never fail and He can tell you why that equation requires further checks and doesn't describe nuclear processes. :yes

 

[Geo]

Another aspect of faith is:

Matthew 9:29  Then touched he their eyes, saying, According to your faith be it unto you.

"according" is the measure that will influence or co-shape the physical realm

why is that? It's matter of rank or authority of the creator over the creation. Where the communication between both runs outside the physicist's realm of pysical matter and detectable energy. This understanding is based on the "triune man" of spirit, soul, body, where the spirit is dead from birth due to our ancestors sin that naturally caries on through all offspring.

So a two/third man without access to any information from his highest organ is left to the existing information and perception of laws and countless experiments the body and the soul have access to. Of course any conclusion resulting from there, in absolute terms, must be wrong by neccessity because only a renewed spirit has the ability to understand the whole sum of information in the correct order inside a bigger picture, and that only if and when the internal priorities are restored. The order is 1) spirit 2) soul and the body the lowest.

Meaning only if and when the human spirit is "reborn" by God's Spirit and then is given preference and domination over the soul and body. All creation that is unrestored is called "fallen" and the people are dominated by either their body or the soul. So the ability of faith is limited to these areas, they are then limited and at best the product of what an "intelligent product" like a self programming computer would be able to come up it, without ever realizing or understanding that a higher reality outside of its limitation exists : the reality of the manufacturer, or creator. God is Spirit.

 

[Panin]

All that is good within me, is the faith in someone better than me.

My faith is intirely link to the only thing that can save me.

A biblical faith is a faith so strong and powerful that the very words written in this book reveal to you the filthyness of your condition before the perfect God who wrote the bible, this faith is born out the miraculous abilty of the words to pierce your very heart, it is a sword that thrusts deep, even through the bone and embedding itself in the marrow, this horrible fearful realiazetion leads you by the hand whilst lying on a gurny to the master surgeon who heals you of all ills.

And when the surgury is complete He is able to present me faultless before the presence of His glory with exceeding joy.

 

[jasoncran]

All that is good within me, is the faith in someone better than me.

My faith is intirely link to the only thing that can save me.

A biblical faith is a faith so strong and powerful that the very words written in this book reveal to you the filthyness of your condition before the perfect God who wrote the bible, this faith is born out the miraculous abilty of the words to pierce your very heart, it is a sword that thrusts deep, even through the bone and embedding itself in the marrow, this horrible fearful realiazetion leads you by the hand whilst lying on gurny to the master surgeon who heals you of all ills.

Been there alot.

 

[Panin]

Feel free to answer any one of these questions

This is number........3 !!

Choose one , the other, or both , then explain why !
Faith is a) Believing in God b) believing God c) both d) non of them is faith .

Faith is being in Christ

 

[Panin]

You have to believe IN him to truly TRUST Him to do the things He said He will do/ can do.

If you doubt your faith is little. If you do not trust you might as well have no faith.

That is a good way of looking at it. And it is certainly true, that in order for us to have trust Him, we have to first believe in Him.

So are we now maybe seeing that we do have two things here? You say trust and faith.

Do you think that our trust have some faith in it as well?

 

[Panin]

If you doubt your faith is little. If you do not trust you might as well have no faith.

OK, so you are correct. Here is a Scripture verse to back you up:

Jam 1:6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. (That would be "doubt" ) For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.

Jam 1:7 For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord.

Right so this man (as you said ) "might as well have no faith'

The whole world, incorporated, is already faithless, however there is a little flock (no where near 2 billion) who have placed their faith in Christ through grace as they where led to by the Holy Spirit. A man can not save himself. Faith is a gift of God.

Rom 3:10 as it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:
Rom 3:11 there is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
Rom 3:12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
Rom 3:13 their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:
Rom 3:14 whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:
Rom 3:15 their feet are]swift to shed blood:
Rom 3:16 Destruction and misery are in their ways:
Rom 3:17 and the way of peace have they not known:
Rom 3:18 there is no fear of God before their eyes.
Rom 3:19 Now we know that what things so ever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

Im a little "osas verse works" bashed at the moment.

What is your point of the thread or is it a covert message?

 

[Panin]

Re: Question

As a physicist, I have believe that Maxwell's equations will describe common electromagnetic phenomena. This is based upon the logical structure of their derivation from existing laws and countless experiments that have verified them. I would not say that I have 'faith' in Maxwell's equations since they are always subject to further checks and don't describe nuclear processes. This seems to me to be different from religious faith that seems to require belief without sufficient supporting evidence. At least in science, that would be considered a vice, not a virtue. Am I missing something here?

Correct me if I am wrong, I think you are talking about proof.

The Christian Faith is having faith in the proof. Sceintific theories are often being amended, improved upon and many text books need to be re-written as a result.

Faith in the never changing word of God, that converts you, all by itself, when you read it, is proof to the one who it has happened to. And yet this is not proof enough for anyone it hasn't happened to yet, even though it happend to millions. Biblical Christian faith is a gift of God. It is a gift given to all men.

 

[ProphetMark]

Re: Question

As a physicist, I have believe that Maxwell's equations will describe common electromagnetic phenomena. This is based upon the logical structure of their derivation from existing laws and countless experiments that have verified them. I would not say that I have 'faith' in Maxwell's equations since they are always subject to further checks and don't describe nuclear processes. This seems to me to be different from religious faith that seems to require belief without sufficient supporting evidence. At least in science, that would be considered a vice, not a virtue. Am I missing something here?

Christian faith is in a God who will never fail and He can tell you why that equation requires further checks and doesn't describe nuclear processes. :yes

You can understand why people struggle to believe in God though when he chooses not to tell people that, or do anything else to let people know that he really exists.

 

[DarcyLu]

Re: Question

As a physicist, I have believe that Maxwell's equations will describe common electromagnetic phenomena. This is based upon the logical structure of their derivation from existing laws and countless experiments that have verified them. I would not say that I have 'faith' in Maxwell's equations since they are always subject to further checks and don't describe nuclear processes. This seems to me to be different from religious faith that seems to require belief without sufficient supporting evidence. At least in science, that would be considered a vice, not a virtue. Am I missing something here?

Christian faith is in a God who will never fail and He can tell you why that equation requires further checks and doesn't describe nuclear processes. :yes

You can understand why people struggle to believe in God though when he chooses not to tell people that, or do anything else to let people know that he really exists.

Matthew 7:8
For everyone who asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened.

Bibical faith is believing, if you believe your statement above, then He probably won't show us. if you believe the statement from the Word in Matthew, then He will open the door because that is one thing He has promised, just ask. the Israelites knew He existed yet still didn't believe, the sign of Jonah was given and people still don't believe, if He actually did come down and presented Himself to someone in a some sort of physical way (like He did with the Israelities)- they still wouldn't believe. It's believing what the Word says and acting on it in faith.

 

[Cornelius]

Biblical faith, changes reality as we know it.

Biblical faith can change physical substance and alter it. It can change water into wine and multiply bread. It can strengthen legs so that they can walk, it can open blind eyes so that they can see again.

When faith is in line with the Word, nothing is impossible.

Faith never changes. The same faith that worked for Moses, is working for us today. The same principles apply.The results are still the same.

 

[Panin]

Biblical faith, changes reality as we know it.

Biblical faith can change physical substance and alter it. It can change water into wine and multiply bread. It can strengthen legs so that they can walk, it can open blind eyes so that they can see again.

When faith is in line with the Word, nothing is impossible.

Faith never changes. The same faith that worked for Moses, is working for us today. The same principles apply.The results are still the same.

Are you saying that biblical faith enables us today to produce and manifest the miracles of Chirst?

We dont have the same faith that Moses had, our faith is greater than is, we have never seen God. Nor have we seen Gods miracles first hand, such as the plagues, the parting of the sea, the mana, the cloud by day and fire by nght etc and all the miracles Jesus did. YEs we have seen them in the word, but not in reality.

 

[Cornelius]

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Are you saying that biblical faith enables us today to produce and manifest the miracles of Chirst?

Brother it matters not what I say, but this is what the Bible teaches: Mat 17:20 And he saith unto them, Because of your little faith: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.

Surely you know that Gal 2:20 teaches us that we are no longer alive, but now its Christ that lives in us ? Now is that verse real ? or is it not ? Now if Christ really lives in you, you have the mind of Christ too 1Cr 2:16 ...... But we have the mind of Christ. without Christ you can do nothing. But Christ in you, can do all things.

Our only problem today is that we have stopped believing it. We think it is us that must perform, but its not. We have to learn that we are dead and that its now Christ that indeed lived in and through us. His resurrection live is available to all believers.

 

[Geo]

I believe strongly that physical healing is available for us today in faith. And experienced it also in my own family. But we have to be careful to understand faith correctly in that regard, because there is also a counterfeit of the enemy. We can not apply faith as a force (that feels like electricity) as taught in the W.O.F. movement (Benny Hinn etc.). They apply a will force as the source, what is actually a form of magic and NOT faith in the Holy Spirit.

There is a good little book online, that details the difference between the two, if someone needs to know I can find the link.