What is the Job of the pastor

[Henry]

The pastor?

I was having a bible study with a lady this tuesday, we where in 1 Cor and reading the section of text that talks about Jesus being the head of man, and man the head of woman and God the head of Jesus.

Well, when we stoped to discuss this. She said "well our pastors are our spiritual covering" I was shocked really. First of all that verse does not say anything to that matter, and I am not sure the NT ever referes to a pastor as being such.

Seems to me that a Pastor is the same as elder, teacher or leader. But never is the pastor anything more then another brother. Not above or below the next guy or gal.

Lately as I have been revisiting the practices of the NT church, I have come to learn that the role pastors play are greatly out of sink with the church we read about in the NT.

What is the role of pastor? And is he our 'spiritual covering' and just what does that mean?

Thank you for your imput, brothers and sisters.

 

[sparrow]

Actually, I don't know if that would be the proper term...
However.. the pastor is there both to guide and serve the congregation.
They are indeed our brethren... but in a teaching position.. and from
what i can recall... they do have some responsibility in the way of
guidance and prayer..

I will search it out for you later after I get some sleep..

I think you will find it listed under the office of bishop... or as you stated..
elder.

 

[Collier]

Henry,

• I know you and I have disagreed on things before, but let me say that I applaud your efforts to be as the church Jesus wants.

With that said, let me say this; I did not vote because I took the question to mean only one pastor in the church. Pastor is synonomous with elder and bishop and in the NT scriptures we always find a plurality of elders or pastors.

• Pastors or elders are the overseers of the church (Acts 20:17-28 and 1 Peter 5:1-3). This is how God decided His church would function. :D Man has developed the "one pastor" system.

 

[Henry]

Collier

You are right that in the NT we find a plurality of leaders, but these days we have one guy who all the others answer to. In the worste case we have the pope and in the lesser degrees we have pastors.

What I am getting at is that the NT form of leadership and what we typically find these days are certainly not one in the same. And we should work to bring those standards back.

Since I have been doing Home Church, I have really learned so much about the way things where done in the NT and man are we off base.

However, that does not mean that the essential doctrines are also compromised, I still believe that being a true Christian means that you adhere to the orhtodoxed, historical, and classic doctrines, including and especially the trinity.

If you like this idea, and the movement go to http://www.ntrf.org and read up on it some more, this is a really big move of God.

 

[evanman]

Pastor/elders are overseers of the flock.

It is their responsibility to lead the sheep to green pastures, and by still waters, not to stick their noses in the grass and the water to force them to eat and drink.

A shepherd (pastor/elder), also protects the flock from predators and eating contaminated food!

Read Psalm 23.

 

[Henry]

evanman

I am in full agreement that elder are susposed to protect the Church from false teachers, and wolves that would eat the soul.

However the not sure I would agree they lead us to green pastures that is what the Lord does, and they walk along with us.

An elder is wise man, who the brothers lean on for his wisdom, but the Church is governed by the consenesus to the brothers and not a group of elders.

 

[Bruce.Leiter]

The pastor?

I was having a bible study with a lady this tuesday, we where in 1 Cor and reading the section of text that talks about Jesus being the head of man, and man the head of woman and God the head of Jesus.

Well, when we stoped to discuss this. She said "well our pastors are our spiritual covering" I was shocked really. First of all that verse does not say anything to that matter, and I am not sure the NT ever referes to a pastor as being such.

Seems to me that a Pastor is the same as elder, teacher or leader. But never is the pastor anything more then another brother. Not above or below the next guy or gal.

Lately as I have been revisiting the practices of the NT church, I have come to learn that the role pastors play are greatly out of sink with the church we read about in the NT.

What is the role of pastor? And is he our 'spiritual covering' and just what does that mean?

Thank you for your imput, brothers and sisters.

During the 27 years when I was a pastor, I had the title "Minister of the Word," wherein I preached and taught God's Word and had the position of elder in the churches. I was under the authority of Christ and the elders as one of the spiritual servant-leaders of the churches.

 

[Hopeful 2]

The pastor?

I was having a bible study with a lady this tuesday, we where in 1 Cor and reading the section of text that talks about Jesus being the head of man, and man the head of woman and God the head of Jesus.

Head...chief or leader.

Well, when we stoped to discuss this. She said "well our pastors are our spiritual covering" I was shocked really. First of all that verse does not say anything to that matter, and I am not sure the NT ever referes to a pastor as being such.

Did you ask her how did that stood up to what the writings actually tell us is a woman's covering ?
"But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering." (1 Cor 11:15)

Seems to me that a Pastor is the same as elder, teacher or leader. But never is the pastor anything more then another brother. Not above or below the next guy or gal.

You are then submitting to two, or more, "masters", when Jesus said no nan can serve two masters.
Just as the family has one leader, so too, the church has one leader/bishop.

Lately as I have been revisiting the practices of the NT church, I have come to learn that the role pastors play are greatly out of sink with the church we read about in the NT.

For instance ?
Can you supply a couple of verses dealing with a NT church's bishop ?

What is the role of pastor? And is he our 'spiritual covering' and just what does that mean?

The pastor is the leader of the flock on earth.

Thank you for your imput, brothers and sisters.

 

[WIP]

Just so you all know, Henry was a guest here at CFnet and not a registered member. Posting as a guest was something we tried quite a few years ago but I'm not sure if that option is still available. It meant that they did not have to create an account, so I don't believe they were able to receive notices of replies to posts. You will also notice that you can't tag his username.

I don't know if we still have the option to post on CFnet as a guest. Anyway, I do not believe Henry will not know that he has received a reply unless he is still browsing the thread from time to time.

Maybe Free can clarify what I've posted above?

Also, for what it's worth, I think this is a good topic for discussion.

 

[Free]

Just so you all know, Henry was a guest here at CFnet and not a registered member. Posting as a guest was something we tried quite a few years ago but I'm not sure if that option is still available. It meant that they did not have to create an account, so I don't believe they were able to receive notices of replies to posts. You will also notice that you can't tag his username.

I don't know if we still have the option to post on CFnet as a guest. Anyway, I do not believe Henry will know that he has received a reply unless he is still browsing the thread from time to time.

Maybe Free can clarify what I've posted above?

Also, for what it's worth, I think this is a good topic for discussion.

It's either that they weren't a member at the time or, because the user has been inactive for so long, the system no longer considers them a member.


This thread is just over 20 years-old, after all.

 

[for_his_glory]

Pastors are more than that of standing behind a pulpit preaching/teaching the word of God as they have many duties. Here is a good website to read in full as I only copied the ten duties of a Pastor, but gets into more detail on this website.

Top 10 duties of a pastor

Take a look at the ten main duties of a pastor, including their practical and biblical responsibilities/

www.subsplash.com

Duties of a Pastor

1. Biblical preaching and teaching (2Timothy 4:2)

2. Shepherding the flock (1Peter 5:2-3)

3. Providing spiritual counseling (James 5:14)

4. Leading and overseeing staff (1Timothy 3:1-7)

5. Prayer and intercession (1Timothy 2:1-2)

6. Visitation and outreach (Matthew 25:35-40)

7. Leading in ordnance's and administering sacraments (Matthew 28:19-20)

8. Mentoring and discipleship (2Timothy 2:2; 1Corinthians 11:1; Matthew 28:19)

9. Stewards and financial oversight (1Corinthians 4:1-2)

10. Practical ministry administration (Acts 20:8)

 

[jasonc]

Pastors are more than that of standing behind a pulpit preaching/teaching the word of God as they have many duties. Here is a good website to read in full as I only copied the ten duties of a Pastor, but gets into more detail on this website.

Top 10 duties of a pastor

Take a look at the ten main duties of a pastor, including their practical and biblical responsibilities/

www.subsplash.com

Duties of a Pastor

1. Biblical preaching and teaching (2Timothy 4:2)

2. Shepherding the flock (1Peter 5:2-3)

3. Providing spiritual counseling (James 5:14)

4. Leading and overseeing staff (1Timothy 3:1-7)

5. Prayer and intercession (1Timothy 2:1-2)

6. Visitation and outreach (Matthew 25:35-40)

7. Leading in ordnance's and administering sacraments (Matthew 28:19-20)

8. Mentoring and discipleship (2Timothy 2:2; 1Corinthians 11:1; Matthew 28:19)

9. Stewards and financial oversight (1Corinthians 4:1-2)

10. Practical ministry administration (Acts 20:8)

A pastor ought not to do that alone

My elders will oversee sermons selected

 

[JLB]

Pastors are more than that of standing behind a pulpit preaching/teaching the word of God as they have many duties. Here is a good website to read in full as I only copied the ten duties of a Pastor, but gets into more detail on this website.

Top 10 duties of a pastor

Take a look at the ten main duties of a pastor, including their practical and biblical responsibilities/

www.subsplash.com

Duties of a Pastor

1. Biblical preaching and teaching (2Timothy 4:2)

2. Shepherding the flock (1Peter 5:2-3)

3. Providing spiritual counseling (James 5:14)

4. Leading and overseeing staff (1Timothy 3:1-7)

5. Prayer and intercession (1Timothy 2:1-2)

6. Visitation and outreach (Matthew 25:35-40)

7. Leading in ordnance's and administering sacraments (Matthew 28:19-20)

8. Mentoring and discipleship (2Timothy 2:2; 1Corinthians 11:1; Matthew 28:19)

9. Stewards and financial oversight (1Corinthians 4:1-2)

10. Practical ministry administration (Acts 20:8)

I didn’t see the word Pastor in those references you quoted.

The first Peter quote did use shepherd so that would certainly qualify as a duty of a pastor.


The church of the first century that was set up by the Apostles and the Holy Spirit were overseen much by elders, teachers and prophets.

Not really Pastors.


The one man show of Pastors running the church is a product of Churchianity.

 

[for_his_glory]

A pastor ought not to do that alone

My elders will oversee sermons selected

I agree as the Pastor has to learn how to delegate the workings of God's ministry.

DELEGATE means a person who is authorized to act as a representative of another. God gives us his power and authority to be his representatives here on earth through diversities of those gifts given by his Spirit for the purpose of his ministry. In Gods ministry there are many functions to be performed in order for everything to run properly. If one person takes on the responsibility of to many functions in time that person will wear themselves out and their performance or duties will suffer consequences for themselves and everyone else involved. Jesus gave delegation to those twelve disciples he chose to further the kingdom of God by using many members, but as one body in faith. A leader is not greater than those who are under their authority for it takes many talents to function as a whole, but they do have the authority to oversee that everything is working properly. Even though God has given us his power and authority if we let this power overtake us in such away that we feel like we are superior to others than and there will be our own downfall. A delegation has to work as one body to maintain proper order to keep the task at hand moving properly and orderly.

Romans 12:3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
Romans 12:4 for as we have many members in one body and all members have not the same office:
Romans 12:5 so we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.

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[for_his_glory]

I didn’t see the word Pastor in those references you quoted.

The first Peter quote did use shepherd so that would certainly qualify as a duty of a pastor.


The church of the first century that was set up by the Apostles and the Holy Spirit were overseen much by elders, teachers and prophets.

Not really Pastors.


The one man show of Pastors running the church is a product of Churchianity.

Pastor, Shepard and overseer are pretty much the same thing.

 

[jasonc]

I agree as the Pastor has to learn how to delegate the workings of God's ministry.

DELEGATE means a person who is authorized to act as a representative of another. God gives us his power and authority to be his representatives here on earth through diversities of those gifts given by his Spirit for the purpose of his ministry. In Gods ministry there are many functions to be performed in order for everything to run properly. If one person takes on the responsibility of to many functions in time that person will wear themselves out and their performance or duties will suffer consequences for themselves and everyone else involved. Jesus gave delegation to those twelve disciples he chose to further the kingdom of God by using many members, but as one body in faith. A leader is not greater than those who are under their authority for it takes many talents to function as a whole, but they do have the authority to oversee that everything is working properly. Even though God has given us his power and authority if we let this power overtake us in such away that we feel like we are superior to others than and there will be our own downfall. A delegation has to work as one body to maintain proper order to keep the task at hand moving properly and orderly.

Romans 12:3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
Romans 12:4 for as we have many members in one body and all members have not the same office:
Romans 12:5 so we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.

​

There is typed of government.if a pastor has no one to account to .then when he dies or goes astray who can replace him


My pastor can't be a member of the church . He has authority but on certain things the elders decide with a vote .

 

[jasonc]

I sat that because locally these one man church leadership without above level accounting have formed amongst each other a presbytery

 

[for_his_glory]

There is typed of government.if a pastor has no one to account to .then when he dies or goes astray who can replace him


My pastor can't be a member of the church . He has authority but on certain things the elders decide with a vote .

The pastor has to first give account unto God as either being a good steward of the word, or a bad steward of the word and the leadership position he was called of God to Shepard the flock. His actions, good or bad, can also come before the Elders and the board of directors who prayerfully make good Godly decisions on behave of the whole congregation to keep everything inline with the word of God. 1Corinthians 12 teaches us the full Spiritual function of the Church in accordance to what God has given in the Spiritual gifts of the many functions of the Church with Jesus being the head of the body of Christ.

 

[jasonc]

The pastor has to first give account unto God as either being a good steward of the word, or a bad steward of the word and the leadership position he was called of God to Shepard the flock. His actions, good or bad, can also come before the Elders and the board of directors who prayerfully make good Godly decisions on behave of the whole congregation to keep everything inline with the word of God. 1Corinthians 12 teaches us the full Spiritual function of the Church in accordance to what God has given in the Spiritual gifts of the many functions of the Church with Jesus being the head of the body of Christ.

There are often no board of directors in presbyterian churches .

That's called the presbytery.

 

[for_his_glory]

There are often no board of directors in presbyterian churches .

That's called the presbytery.

1Cor 12:28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

Governments are usually the board of directors that maintain the overall functions of the church according to how God wants certain things maintained according to His word. At least that is how it worked when I was on the board of directors in the last Church I went to.