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The Millennium is much debated and here is my understanding.
Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
It's not until the seventh trumpet is sounded that the kingdoms (nations) of this world will become the kingdoms (nations) of God and Christ as He will reign now forever over the nations. Jesus has never literally sat on the throne of David in Jerusalem, but has always been at the right hand of God until all His enemies have become His footstool, Psalms 110:1-4; Isaiah 66:1; 1 Corinthians 15:24-28; Ephesians 1:22; Hebrews 2:8; 10:12, 13. This happens when Christ returns as King of kings and Lord of lords subduing His enemies and destroying the beast and false prophet and binding Satan for a time of prophetic 1000 years, Rev 19-20.
Rev 20:1-10 It's during the millennium reign of Christ here on earth that all things are subject to Christ as He destroys the enemy and cast Satan into the lake of fire.
2 Peter 3:8 is not speaking about the 1000 year reign of Christ as the context is about God's long suffering and patience from generation to generation as God is not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. There is emphases on the word "should" like that of should have, would have, could have, but many will be to late as Jesus will come on them as a thief in the night as at that time the door of Salvation will be closed forever as Christ destroys His enemies.
Rev 20:1-4 never mentions Christ literally reigning here on earth for a 1000 years. It says John only saw the future souls of those who were beheaded for not taking the mark of the beast live and reigned with Christ, but never mentions how long Christ's reign at that time is or where He is reigning from.
Jesus will never literally sit on the throne of David as this present earth and heaven will pass away then the New Jerusalem will be ushered down from heaven, Rev 21:1-3. Rev 20 shows nothing of Christ establishing a literal kingdom here on this present earth as Rev 11:15 only says at that time of the seventh trumpet the kingdoms (nations) of this world will become the kingdoms (nations) of our Lord and of His Christ. The meaning, then will all the enemies become the footstool of Christ as He makes all things subject unto Him.
Isaiah 13; Joel 3:9-17; Zechariah 14; Rev 19 speaks about the great battle against the enemies of God. When Christ returns with His army, being the host/angels from heaven who are the righteousness of God in heaven, He will then rule the nations with a rod of iron (power and great authority) destroying the enemy being the beast and false prophet casting them into the lake of fire then destroys all who have wondered after the beast and false prophet and have taken its mark. Then Satan will be bound for a time as Christ sends His angels out to the four corners of the earth as we who are of Christ own are then gathered up to Christ as we meet Him in the air and ever be with the Lord, 1 Corinthians 15:51-55; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18.
The beast and false prophet and all the ungodly political leaders from every nation that follows after them will be destroyed by Christ who does all of this from the air, Rev 19:11-21. When Satan is loosed he will gather all those who oppose Christ to compass the camp of the saints that are gathered in the air being the breadth of the earth in measurement as we are not on this present earth after being caught up to Jesus in the air, but they are consumed by fire (whether it is literal fire or just symbolic of God's wrath against them yet they are destroyed) that God sends down to destroy them and Satan is cast into the lake of fire.
Between the binding of Satan and being loosed scripture says 1000 years, but many parts of Revelation are symbolic in what John was shown in His visions as I see 1000 years only being a figurative numbering as I can't see God waiting a literal 1000 years before casting Satan into the lake of fire and then comes His final judgment and the new Jerusalem being ushered down from heaven after this present earth and heaven are restored back to what God created in the beginning.
Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
It's not until the seventh trumpet is sounded that the kingdoms (nations) of this world will become the kingdoms (nations) of God and Christ as He will reign now forever over the nations. Jesus has never literally sat on the throne of David in Jerusalem, but has always been at the right hand of God until all His enemies have become His footstool, Psalms 110:1-4; Isaiah 66:1; 1 Corinthians 15:24-28; Ephesians 1:22; Hebrews 2:8; 10:12, 13. This happens when Christ returns as King of kings and Lord of lords subduing His enemies and destroying the beast and false prophet and binding Satan for a time of prophetic 1000 years, Rev 19-20.
Rev 20:1-10 It's during the millennium reign of Christ here on earth that all things are subject to Christ as He destroys the enemy and cast Satan into the lake of fire.
2 Peter 3:8 is not speaking about the 1000 year reign of Christ as the context is about God's long suffering and patience from generation to generation as God is not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. There is emphases on the word "should" like that of should have, would have, could have, but many will be to late as Jesus will come on them as a thief in the night as at that time the door of Salvation will be closed forever as Christ destroys His enemies.
Rev 20:1-4 never mentions Christ literally reigning here on earth for a 1000 years. It says John only saw the future souls of those who were beheaded for not taking the mark of the beast live and reigned with Christ, but never mentions how long Christ's reign at that time is or where He is reigning from.
Jesus will never literally sit on the throne of David as this present earth and heaven will pass away then the New Jerusalem will be ushered down from heaven, Rev 21:1-3. Rev 20 shows nothing of Christ establishing a literal kingdom here on this present earth as Rev 11:15 only says at that time of the seventh trumpet the kingdoms (nations) of this world will become the kingdoms (nations) of our Lord and of His Christ. The meaning, then will all the enemies become the footstool of Christ as He makes all things subject unto Him.
Isaiah 13; Joel 3:9-17; Zechariah 14; Rev 19 speaks about the great battle against the enemies of God. When Christ returns with His army, being the host/angels from heaven who are the righteousness of God in heaven, He will then rule the nations with a rod of iron (power and great authority) destroying the enemy being the beast and false prophet casting them into the lake of fire then destroys all who have wondered after the beast and false prophet and have taken its mark. Then Satan will be bound for a time as Christ sends His angels out to the four corners of the earth as we who are of Christ own are then gathered up to Christ as we meet Him in the air and ever be with the Lord, 1 Corinthians 15:51-55; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18.
The beast and false prophet and all the ungodly political leaders from every nation that follows after them will be destroyed by Christ who does all of this from the air, Rev 19:11-21. When Satan is loosed he will gather all those who oppose Christ to compass the camp of the saints that are gathered in the air being the breadth of the earth in measurement as we are not on this present earth after being caught up to Jesus in the air, but they are consumed by fire (whether it is literal fire or just symbolic of God's wrath against them yet they are destroyed) that God sends down to destroy them and Satan is cast into the lake of fire.
Between the binding of Satan and being loosed scripture says 1000 years, but many parts of Revelation are symbolic in what John was shown in His visions as I see 1000 years only being a figurative numbering as I can't see God waiting a literal 1000 years before casting Satan into the lake of fire and then comes His final judgment and the new Jerusalem being ushered down from heaven after this present earth and heaven are restored back to what God created in the beginning.
Moving this to End Time forum for a better fit.
D-D-W
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IT is a very real time, referred to in the Hebrew Prophetic writings of Isaiah, Ezekiel and Jeremiah as the Messianic Kingdom. While some may take it as a metaphor or symbol of something, conservative Christians and Orthodox Jews believe it to be a very literal time period where Messiah Himself will rule over all the Earth physically from Jerusalem.
Revelation 20:1-8 is the only passage in the entire Bible that the premillennialists have as the basis for the 1000 year reign. Rev 20:4 doesn't speak about a 1000 year reign of Christ it says by the vision John received "and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years." It's not Christ that reigns 1000 years, but those who were killed for God's sake that reign with Christ 1000 years as 1000 being a figurative number, not a literal number as in Deuteronomy 7:9; 1Chronicles 16:15; Psalms 50:10; 90:4; 105:8 Ecc 6:6; 7:28; Daniel 5:1; 2 Peter 3:8.
D-D-W
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It is true that Rev 20 is where (biblically) we get the 1000 year time period. BUT - it was a common belief of the Messianic Kingdom being for 1000 years in late 2nd temple Judaism.
I don't know much about that as being a common belief, not that I am disagreeing, but don't believe it will be a literal 1000 years.
what is the millenium how when where
How?
Revelation 11:v.15-18: - 15 The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
Revelation 12:v.9-10: -
9 And the great (red) Dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his messengers were cast out with him. (Compare with 2 Cor.11:v.13-15)
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When?
In this seventh and last millennium or seventh and last Day, the LORD's Day. The Day of the Judgment Seat of Christ, and Day of Vengeance, Day of the establishment of GOD's Kingdom-Rev. 11:v.15-18 combined mainly with 1Corinthians 15:v.24-26, and Luke 20:v. 35-36.
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What does JESUS said?
Matthew 5:v.5 - Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
Revelation 5:v.10 - 10 And hast made us unto our GOD kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
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A time for teaching , finale chance to save your soul with no influence of that evil one
Edward
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If the Millenium is symbolic then where is the provision for Israel to hold and possess the Promised Land under the throne of David?
Israel has never held borders such as are given in scripture. So the Millenium is real and that is when Israel shall have it's promised land. The earth will be restored to Edenlike and there will be peace on earth for 1000 years.
What provision will Israel need to hold or posses anything after Christ returns as upon His return all that are His own, alive or in the grave, will be caught up to Him, Matthew 24:29-31; 1 Corinthians 15:50-58; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18.
And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years. And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up and set a seal upon him that he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season, Rev 20:1-3.
After that of the beast, false prophet and all those political leaders from every nation have been revealed and destroyed by the brightness of Christ coming, 2 Thessalonians 2:8; Rev 13, Satan is bound for a thousand years as he can no longer deceive the nations anymore and after the thousand years are fulfilled he will be set loose for a small amount of time.
There are various teachings about the thousand years, but I do not see the thousand years being literal after Satan is bound even though a thousand is written. I believe it is symbolic or figurative number like that of Deuteronomy 7:9; 1Chronicles 16:15; Psalms 50:10; 90:3-5; 105:8 Ecc 6:6; 7:28; Daniel 5:1; 2Peter 3:8.
Satan will be held back for a time while Jesus plants His feet on the Mount of Olives. What else is to take place within a literal thousand years that will need to be fulfilled as the only thing left is for Satan to be loosed for a time as he gathers all nations for the final battle against the saints, but his army will be consumed by fire that God sends down from heaven and then Satan cast into the lake of fire. Why would God wait a thousand years for His final judgment? What else could possibly take place during a thousand years before God ushers down the New Jerusalem?
We do not enter the Millennial Kingdom here on earth in our natural bodies, but in new glorified bodies, 1 Corinthians 15:51-54. When Christ returns in the air we are then caught up to meet Him in the air and so shall we ever be with the Lord as He has made us unto our God kings and priests and we shall reign on the earth as we rule with Him over the nations as His enemies have become His footstool in the end of days, 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18; Rev 5:10; Psalms 110:1-4; Hebrews 10:12, 13.
Satan will be restrained so he can not interfere with the ungodly people that are still alive on earth that become the footstool of Christ. Then the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord and of his Christ and He shall reign for ever and the saints will begin to rule over the nations here on earth, Rev 11:15; 5:10; 20:1-3; Matthew 5:5.
Edward
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WHat are you saying? That Jesus comes back and transforms everyone and binds satan, and then He leaves again for 1000 years while we live in peace on earth?
That's not how I learned it.
Jesus wont be ruling from Jerusalem? He goes back to Heaven? That can't be because we get transformed into glorified bodies and so shall we ever be with the Lord. So if we are here then Jesus is here.
Here is how I understand it all in the last day when Christ returns.
Matthew 24:29-31; Rev 19:11-21 Jesus descends down from heaven with His army of the host (angels) of heaven as while remaining in the air He sends His angels out to the four corners of the earth to gather His own to Him. He will destroy the beast and false prophet casting them alive into the lake of fire, Rev 19:15, 16. The remnant in Rev 19:21 are the world leaders of every nation on the earth that have followed after the beast that rules their government. The remnant will be slain by the very words Jesus speaks of their damnation as the fowls will be filled with their flesh and at that time Satan will be chained and bound so he can not interfere with the ungodly people that are still alive on earth that become the footstool of Christ. Then the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord and of his Christ and He shall reign for ever and the saints will begin to rule over the nations here on earth, Rev 11:15; 5:10; 20:1-3; Matthew 5:5.
Rev 20:7-10 Those that have rejected Christ that still remain on earth after the beast, false prophet and all the ruling leaders from every nation that followed after the beast are destroyed are those who are the numbering as the sand of the sea. These are the enemy of God that Satan uses to battle against the saints during the battle of Armageddon that are camped upon the breadth of the earth after Satan is released for a season, Psalms 2:7-10; 110; Ezekiel 36; 37; Rev 20:7-9. The saints are camped not only in Jerusalem the beloved city of God, but also throughout the breadth of the earth. It's only the 144,000 generational Jews that believe in Christ that have returned to Jerusalem. After the 1000 years are fulfilled Satan is set loosed for a season and goes out to deceive the nations as he gathers the enemies of Christ to battle against the saints as the numbering of unbelievers is like the sand of the sea. As the enemy surrounds the camp of the saints God sends fire down from heaven and destroys the enemy and Satan is cast into the lake of fire. Zechariah 14; Luke 21:20-22 and Rev 16:16 mentions the battle of Armageddon when Christ and His army of angels return as Christ plants His feet on the mount of Olives for the final battle as Gog and Magog found in Ezekiel Chapter 38 is the battle of Rev 20:7-9.
(IMO 1000 years is a figurative number, not a literal number. It is figurative like the numbering in Deuteronomy 7:9; 1Chronicles 16:15; Psalms 50:10; 90:4; 105:8 Ecc 6:6; 7:28; Daniel 5:1; 2Peter 3:8.)
John 5:28, 29; Rev 20:11-15, now comes the Great White throne judgment as the books are opened with one of them being the Lamb's book of life where all the saints of God have their names written as they have part of the first resurrection of eternal life on such the second death hath no power, Rev 20:6; 1 Corinthians 15:54-57. The other books are opened being the book of damnation where the enemies of God that were killed while trying to destroy the camp of the saints are now joined with those enemies of Christ that were also raised from their graves and are reserved, 2 Peter 2:9, as now since they were condemned and judged will be cast into the lake of fire. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. While the saints are with Jesus the earth will be renewed and the New Jerusalem is ushered down from heaven, Rev 21.
Matthew 24:22 these days are shortened for a time that only God holds back or extends to allow His purpose for the last one to repent and turn back to Him before Christ returns, Rev 19, as God alone knows their name. Only God can shorten days like He did with Hezekiah as He caused the sundial to go backwards ten degrees, Isaiah 38:8, which was possibly five hours and again in Joshua 10:12-14 God extended the daylight for Joshua to defeat the Amorites.
Christ returns on the last day at the seventh trumpet, after the 3 1/2 reign of the son of perdition, and on that day His Bride being the collective body of believers through faith in Christ and sealed by the Holy Spirit unto the day of redemption will be caught up to Him. Both asleep in their grave and those who are alive at His coming will then be kept safe on that day while Christ fights the final battle known as Armageddon after casting the beast and false prophet into the lake of fire and slaying all those nations (people) who come out to fight against Him.
(John 5:25-30; 6:40; Ephesians 1:3-14;1 Corinthians 15:51-57; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; Rev 19; Zechariah 14:1-6; Luke 21:20-22)
Yes, this is a great and profound mystery. In fact, our transformation from a corruptive and mortal body to a incorruptive and immortal body will occur in this current millennium recently started, and it by the unspeakable Power of the Word of GOD, by which all things were created and exists. The Word is GOD. Philippians 3:v.20-21 reveals:
20 - For our conversation is in heaven (it is in this current environment of the 2nd Covenant of the New Testament -that is the 2nd heaven or celestial environment where we are physical and spiritually before our GOD and Lord JESUS Christ - Compare this vision with Ephesians 1:v.3); from whence also(yes, even from this marvelous celestial environment) we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:
21 - Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto His glorious body(Hallelujaaaah!!!), according to the working whereby He is able even to subdue all things unto Himself.
The changing of our bodies according the content above, it is a process of changing that there is within the Word of GOD, we must understand that the changing of our corrupt body to a incorruptive body it is not a magyc, but a powerful spiritual process. What does the Word of GOD say? Remember: the Word is GOD, and the Word -1Corinthians 13:v.9-10- reveal that - 9 -"now we know in part, and we prophesy in part. 10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away (annihilated). By the way, as it is written -Romans 8:v.19- For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of GOD. Praised be GOD.
Remember:
The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.1 Corinthians 15:v. 26.
What will happen before be destroyed death in our mortal and corrupt body? Well, in Christ shall all be made alive. Our conversation -here- is in heaven-yes, in heavenly place in Christ-; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto His glorious body, according to the working whereby He is able even to subdue all things unto Himself.
In my understanding, it is because in this FIRST JUDGMENT -Romans 2-check it.- the Judgment Seat of Christ- the Devil that deceived the nations will not be cast into the lake of fire and brimstone yet, but bound into the bottomless pit.
Revelation chapters 21 and 22 and a lot references reveal many things that will take place in this seventh and last millennium, include the New Jerusalem.
IMO, when Christ returns in the air with His army, which are the angels in heaven, Matthew 24:29-31; Rev 19:11-21, everything, being the last day, will be done quickly in God's timing, not ours. I don't see it as a literal 1000 years from the binding of Satan to letting him loose for a season and then being cast into the lake of fire. What would be the purpose of God extending it out for another 1000 years after Christ returns and we being caught up to Him. Makes no sense to me.
Nutshell
1. His own will be caught up in the clouds to meet Him in the air
2. He destroys the beast and false prophet casting them alive into the lake of fire.
3. He binds Satan for a time
4. He plants His feet on the mount of Olives
5. Satan is let loose for the battle of Armageddon as he battles against Christ surrounding the camp of the saints
6. Fire is sent down to destroy those who Satan works through to battle and then Satan is also cast into the lake of fire.
7. come the Great White throne judgement as the books are opened and all whose names are not written in the Lamb's book of life are cast into the lake of fire, new heaven and new earth are restored and the New Jerusalem ushered down.
But what matters and prevails is the Word of GOD. The Word is GOD. The last day -the seventh and last Day, was planned by GOD the Father for His rest, and JESUS takes command of all things.
According GOD's timing, even the body of Christ -the Church - has around 2000 years or two Days -2Peter 3:v.8, and Psalm 90:v.4.- 4 For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past.
What maters and prevails is the Word of GOD, of course. The Word is GOD-John 1:v.1. If you don't see yet, then you must awake and open your eyes.
Revelation 20
Well, JESUS showed to John that his ANGEL has the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand and he laid hold on the Dragon(the red Dragon-REVELATION 12:v.7to13), that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him A THOUSAND YEARS, and cast the Devil into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the THOUSAND YEARS should be fulfilled-FINISHED-: and after-THOUSAND YEARS- he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and Judgment was given unto them:(Who are them? Do you have the interpretation who are them?) and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the Word of God, and which had not worshipped the Beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands(As is written in Revelation 13:v.11 to 18) ; and they LIVED AND REIGNED WITH CHRIST A THOUSAND YEARS.
But the rest of the dead lived not again UNTIL THE THOUSAND YEARS WERE FINISHED. This is the first resurrection.
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but THEY SHALL BE PRIESTS OF GOD and OF CHRIST, AND SHALL REIGN WITH HIM A THOUSAND YEARS.
And when THE THOUSAND YEARS ARE EXPIRED, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
The THOUSAND YEARS are above repeated seven times. At least, thousand years are thousand years.period
Yes, it is written seven times, but we have to remember that many things in the word of God are also symbolic like the use of the word thousand like that of Deuteronomy 7:9; 1Chronicles 16:15; Psalms 50:10; 90:4; 105:8 Ecc 6:6; 7:28; Daniel 5:1; 2Peter 3:8.
So many of these visions John received were literal and also symbolic when you study the book of Revelation. But yet you have every right to disagree with me as it has nothing to do with our salvation, but only that of our understanding.
D-D-W
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Indeed. I suspect that all of us may be surprised as to how it actually plays out when we get there.
What maters and prevails is the Word of GOD, I hope you agree because is Truth. The Word is GOD-John 1:v.1. First you must understand that John had not any vision, as you are literally thinking by the letter, and written as symbolic things, this interpretation of the Word of GOD have not biblical support because is not real.
I try to explain my point above by the Word of GOD that is the Truth: According JESUS said-Revelation 1:v.1-, He sent His angel, actually an archangel, one like unto Him as the Son of man(in my vision was/is Michael), and He signified the Revelation by His angel unto His servant John on the island of Patmos. And the angel of the LORD manifested himself and said to John: Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter-Revelation 1:v.19-20.
And at the end of all revelations that John personally received from the angel of the Lord(in my vision was/is Michael, according Daniel 1:v.1-3, and 1 Thess.4:v.16), and wrote them, John said that he saw these things, and heard them. And when he had heard and seen, John fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed him these things. But the archangel said unto John: See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.
If you don't see yet the above revelation, then you must awake and open your eyes.