what is the millenium how when where

[n2thelight]

IMO, when Christ returns in the air with His army, which are the angels in heaven, Matthew 24:29-31; Rev 19:11-21, everything, being the last day, will be done quickly in God's timing, not ours. I don't see it as a literal 1000 years from the binding of Satan to letting him loose for a season and then being cast into the lake of fire. What would be the purpose of God extending it out for another 1000 years after Christ returns and we being caught up to Him. Makes no sense to me.

Nutshell
1. His own will be caught up in the clouds to meet Him in the air
2. He destroys the beast and false prophet casting them alive into the lake of fire.
3. He binds Satan for a time
4. He plants His feet on the mount of Olives
5. Satan is let loose for the battle of Armageddon as he battles against Christ surrounding the camp of the saints
6. Fire is sent down to destroy those who Satan works through to battle and then Satan is also cast into the lake of fire.
7. come the Great White throne judgement as the books are opened and all whose names are not written in the Lamb's book of life are cast into the lake of fire, new heaven and new earth are restored and the New Jerusalem ushered down.

I agree ,yet we will be in our spiritual bodies at that time , so yes we will be on His time which I think will still be a thousand years , but it will seem like a day .

1 through 7 good , although I would like to know if you think the beast and false prophet are different people

 

[for_his_glory]

I agree ,yet we will be in our spiritual bodies at that time , so yes we will be on His time which I think will still be a thousand years , but it will seem like a day .

1 through 7 good , although I would like to know if you think the beast and false prophet are different people

If you read Rev 13 you will see that the beast out of the sea is different then the beast (false prophet/son of perdition) out of the earth. But this needs to be another thread as to not derail this one.

 

[for_his_glory]

What maters and prevails is the Word of GOD, I hope you agree because is Truth.

Of course the word of God is true, but the problem is how everyone adds to or takes away from it just like you did by adding this angel was Michael, especially when this angel was never named in Rev 1:1, but only sent to John by Christ in order to write these revelation visions down and send them to the seven church's in Ephesus. Not sure why you used Daniel 1:1-3 and 1Thessalonians 4:16 as those verses have nothing to do with the angel Jesus sent to John and told him to write these visions down.


Rev 1:9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,
Rev 1:11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

 

[journeymanisnothing]

I think it's difficult for people to see how weak those who walk in the flesh are, compared to King Jesus and his ministers.
The devil wants humanity to believe that Christ and his ambassadors aren't reigning over the ungodly, simply because ruling in mercy is thought of by this world as weakness, but the opposite is true,

Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you. Lk.10:19

We should be ruling over this world as our Savior showed us.

 

[Oseas]

Of course the word of God is true, but the problem is how everyone adds to or takes away from it just like you did by adding this angel was Michael, especially when this angel was never named in Rev 1:1, but only sent to John by Christ in order to write these revelation visions down and send them to the seven church's in Ephesus. Not sure why you used Daniel 1:1-3 and 1Thessalonians 4:16 as those verses have nothing to do with the angel Jesus sent to John and told him to write these visions down.
Rev 1:9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Rev 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,
Rev 1:11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

In my post I wrote that in my vision the angel is Michael, and you? What is your vision about Revelation 12:v.12-13?
I wrote: According JESUS said-Revelation 1:v.1-, He sent His angel, actually an archangel, one like unto Him as the Son of man(in my vision was/is Michael, according Daniel 12:v.1-3, and 1 Thess.4:v.16), and JESUS signified the Revelation by His angel unto His servant John on the island of Patmos.
Why is that my vision? The prophecy in Daniel 12:1-3 says:
1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble-Matthew 24:v.15&21-22-, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake(RESURRECTION), some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.
Combined with 1Thessalonians 4:v.15-16
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord(this will happen from now on) shall not prevent them which are asleep. (There will be resurrection first with the presence of Michael-Daniel 1:v.1-3)
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel(in fulfillment of Daniel 12:v.1-3), and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

Furthermore, It is Michael who will fight against the red Dragon and his messengers-Revelation 12:v.9-11 -
9 - And the great Dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his messengers were cast out with him.
11- And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

The battle is against three unclean spirits like frogs- Revelation 16:v.13-16

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[journeymanisnothing]

The Millennium is much debated and here is my understanding.

Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

It's not until the seventh trumpet is sounded that the kingdoms (nations) of this world will become the kingdoms (nations) of God and Christ as He will reign now forever over the nations. Jesus has never literally sat on the throne of David in Jerusalem, but has always been at the right hand of God until all His enemies have become His footstool, Psalms 110:1-4; Isaiah 66:1; 1 Corinthians 15:24-28; Ephesians 1:22; Hebrews 2:8; 10:12, 13. This happens when Christ returns as King of kings and Lord of lords subduing His enemies and destroying the beast and false prophet and binding Satan for a time of prophetic 1000 years, Rev 19-20.

In Rev.11:15, I believe the voices in the heavens aren't saying God wasn't reigning, but is now. I think they mean, we weren't aware God was always reigning, but we are now.
Something to think about.

 

[journeymanisnothing]

The term "archangel" can mean something like "Captain of the angels" and may refer to our Creator Jesus and not a created angel.

 

[Edward]

written as symbolic things, this interpretation of the Word of GOD have not biblical support because is not real.

It is the Spirit of the word and not the letter of the word that is important in the end.

 

[Edward]

Nutshell
1. His own will be caught up in the clouds to meet Him in the air
2. He destroys the beast and false prophet casting them alive into the lake of fire.
3. He binds Satan for a time
4. He plants His feet on the mount of Olives
5. Satan is let loose for the battle of Armageddon as he battles against Christ surrounding the camp of the saints
6. Fire is sent down to destroy those who Satan works through to battle and then Satan is also cast into the lake of fire.
7. come the Great White throne judgement as the books are opened and all whose names are not written in the Lamb's book of life are cast into the lake of fire, new heaven and new earth are restored and the New Jerusalem ushered down.

(1-4) So we are raptured to meet Jesus in the air and then He throws the beast into the fire and binds satan...and then we come back down with Him to the Mt of Olives? So we go up and right back down again?! That's odd.


(5) Satan let loose for the battle...so Satan only does a couple weeks bound? A month? How long is Satan really bound for if it isn't 1000 years?
(6-7) It sounds like you're saying that these things happen boom boom boom one after another real fast. I disagree with you there, and besides, you left out the Marriage Supper of the Lamb! When does it happen?!

 

[for_his_glory]

In Rev.11:15, I believe the voices in the heavens aren't saying God wasn't reigning, but is now. I think they mean, we weren't aware God was always reigning, but we are now.
Something to think about.

Yes, God has always reigned and as I understand this verse I think it means that God and His Son Christ Jesus are now at the end of His longsuffering and patience as when Christ returns He will subdue His enemies as God makes them a footstool under the feet of Jesus as He is about to destroy all abominations here on earth as He reigns with all power and authority as Jesus only needs to speak the words in order to destroy His enemies.

Here is my take on that verse.


Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Here we see much rejoicing in heaven for the time is now that the mystery of God will be finished as he declared this to the prophets, Revelation 10:7. God will make an end to all sinful abominations here on earth against His people as His mighty power will reign as now the blood of the martyred saints will be avenged. God is about to destroy the enemy for eternity and all the kingdoms or nations of the world will now have become the Kingdoms and nations of God and no man will ever be able to take them out of Gods hands again, John 10:27, 28. The time of Gods longsuffering in His patience for those who need to repent, 2 Peter 3:9, has now come to an end and all glory and honor is given to His name.

 

[Edward]

1. We get raptured and go to Heaven to be at the Marriage supper of the Lamb. On earth the Tribulation will be going on.

2. Jesus returns (with all His Saints) for His so called 2nd coming. Then He puts the beast down and binds Satan for 1000 years and we (in our glorified bodies having put on immortality at the Rapture) will reign with Christ for 1000 years. There will be mortals and immortals on earth during this time.

3. Satan is loosed near the end of the 1000 years for a final test to the mortals, then the great white throne judgement.

We have another 1000 years on earth to live after the Marriage supper of the Lamb! No longer will people call 100 years old. Snd the lion will lay down with the lamb. You've totally left out when that happens too!

 

[Oseas]

In Rev.11:15, I believe the voices in the heavens aren't saying God wasn't reigning, but is now. I think they mean, we weren't aware God was always reigning, but we are now.
Something to think about.

What does the Word of GOD say? The Word is GOD.

1 Corinthians 15:v.24 - 27
24 The END comes when He shall have delivered up the kingdom to GOD, even the Father; when He shall have PUT DOWN all rule and all authority and power.
25 For He must reign, till He hath put all enemies under His feet.
26 The last ENEMY that shall be destroyed is death. (Take a look to what JESUS said in Luke 20:v.35-36)

Hebrews 2:v.8-9
8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that He put all in subjection under Him, He left nothing that is not put under Him. But now we see not yet all things put under Him.
9 But we see JESUS, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with Glory and Honour; that He by the grace of GOD should taste death for every man.

There will be a great WAR against the world of Devil-Revelation 16:v.13-16. And the NATIONS will be angry(wrathful)-Revelation 11:v.18. Check it. (And Revelation 6:v.15-17 say: 15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
17 For the great Day of His wrath is come(that is the seventh and last Day, the Lord's Day or seventh and last millennium); and who shall be able to stand?

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Revelation 20:v.1-4
20 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

2 And he laid hold on the Dragon(the red Dragon), that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and Judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

 

[Oseas]

It is the Spirit of the word and not the letter of the word that is important in the end.

Yes, according the Word of GOD. 2 Corinthians 3:v.6 - ... the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
And our Lord JESUS said: It is the Spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the WORDS that I speak unto you, they are Spirit, and they are life. John 6:v.63 - The Word is GOD-John 1:v.1
https://forums.anglican.net/threads/the-holy-spirit.4444/page-9 - post #162 and #164

 

[for_his_glory]

In my post I wrote that in my vision the angel is Michael, and you? What is your vision about Revelation 12:v.12-13?
I wrote: According JESUS said-Revelation 1:v.1-, He sent His angel, actually an archangel, one like unto Him as the Son of man(in my vision was/is Michael, according Daniel 12:v.1-3, and 1 Thess.4:v.16), and JESUS signified the Revelation by His angel unto His servant John on the island of Patmos.
Why is that my vision? The prophecy in Daniel 12:1-3 says:
1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble-Matthew 24:v.15&21-22-, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake(RESURRECTION), some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.
Combined with 1Thessalonians 4:v.15-16
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord(this will happen from now on) shall not prevent them which are asleep. (There will be resurrection first with the presence of Michael-Daniel 1:v.1-3)
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel(in fulfillment of Daniel 12:v.1-3), and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

Furthermore, It is Michael who will fight against the red Dragon and his messengers-Revelation 12:v.9-11 -
9 - And the great Dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his messengers were cast out with him.
11- And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

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What does any of this have to do with the topic of the OP? Where does the millennium fit into all you have said here as what you presented is before the return of Christ other than the battle of Armageddon that happens after Christ returns.

 

[journeymanisnothing]

Yes, God has always reigned and as I understand this verse I think it means that God and His Son Christ Jesus are now at the end of His longsuffering and patience as when Christ returns He will subdue His enemies as God makes them a footstool under the feet of Jesus as He is about to destroy all abominations here on earth as He reigns with all power and authority as Jesus only needs to speak the words in order to destroy His enemies.

Here is my take on that verse.


Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Here we see much rejoicing in heaven for the time is now that the mystery of God will be finished as he declared this to the prophets, Revelation 10:7. God will make an end to all sinful abominations here on earth against His people as His mighty power will reign as now the blood of the martyred saints will be avenged. God is about to destroy the enemy for eternity and all the kingdoms or nations of the world will now have become the Kingdoms and nations of God and no man will ever be able to take them out of Gods hands again, John 10:27, 28. The time of Gods longsuffering in His patience for those who need to repent, 2 Peter 3:9, has now come to an end and all glory and honor is given to His name.

I agree with you, except no one has ever taken the kingdoms of this world out of Gods' hands. It seems our Father even puts unbelievers in charge for his own purposes,

the Most High rules the kingdom of men and gives it to whom he will and sets over it the lowliest of men. Dan.4:17

I can understand how God uses the wickedness of rulers to correct us, without approving of their evil intentions,

Then the LORD said to Abram, “Know for certain that your offspring will be sojourners in a land that is not theirs and will be servants there, and they will be afflicted for four hundred years. But I will bring judgment on the nation that they serve... Gen.15:13-14

I'm just really opposed to the idea that there ever was a time when our God wasn't ruling over all, because I'm convinced anyone who thinks our Lord Jesus wasn't ruling, especially from the cross, doesn't understand rhe gospel. I know you see his reinging in love in the face of such adversity.

 

[journeymanisnothing]

1. We get raptured and go to Heaven to be at the Marriage supper of the Lamb. On earth the Tribulation will be going on.

2. Jesus returns (with all His Saints) for His so called 2nd coming. Then He puts the beast down and binds Satan for 1000 years and we (in our glorified bodies having put on immortality at the Rapture) will reign with Christ for 1000 years. There will be mortals and immortals on earth during this time.

3. Satan is loosed near the end of the 1000 years for a final test to the mortals, then the great white throne judgement.

We have another 1000 years on earth to live after the Marriage supper of the Lamb! No longer will people call 100 years old. Snd the lion will lay down with the lamb. You've totally left out when that happens too!

I would like to ask you a very loaded question. Why would any unbelieving humans survive Christs' 2nd coming?

 

[journeymanisnothing]

What does the Word of GOD say? The Word is GOD.

1 Corinthians 15:v.24 - 27
24 The END comes when He shall have delivered up the kingdom to GOD, even the Father; when He shall have PUT DOWN all rule and all authority and power.
25 For He must reign, till He hath put all enemies under His feet.
26 The last ENEMY that shall be destroyed is death. (Take a look to what JESUS said in Luke 20:v.35-36)

Hebrews 2:v.8-9
8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that He put all in subjection under Him, He left nothing that is not put under Him. But now we see not yet all things put under Him.
9 But we see JESUS, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with Glory and Honour; that He by the grace of GOD should taste death for every man.

There will be a great WAR against the world of Devil-Revelation 16:v.13-16. And the NATIONS will be angry(wrathful)-Revelation 11:v.18. Check it. (And Revelation 6:v.15-17 say: 15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
17 For the great Day of His wrath is come(that is the seventh and last Day, the Lord's Day or seventh and last millennium); and who shall be able to stand?

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Revelation 20:v.1-4
20 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

2 And he laid hold on the Dragon(the red Dragon), that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and Judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

You're misreading the scriptures my friend, because you're thinking of ruling in power in terms of flesh the way this world does.

Consider how Jesus already defeated death. Now, how does our Lord "put down all other authority? The same way in us, as we go to war against the adversaries... and therefore delivers up his Kingdom, which doesn't include unbelievers. So when he says, all things subdued to him, he means by the resurrection, transformed, showing the true nature. Paul us teaching that Jesus is God.

Of course we don't see all things put under him. We don't see a lot of things, but it doesn't mean they aren't true now. If there was ever a time when the Father and Son weren't reigning over this earth, They wouldn't be God.

The bottomless pit isn't a place. It's a state or world of monotony, like a craving that can never be satisfied and the devil was cast down to it long ago. We simply weren't aware of it, before Jesus defeated him.

The war is on now. When Jesus appears, it's over.

 

[for_his_glory]

(1-4) So we are raptured to meet Jesus in the air and then He throws the beast into the fire and binds satan...and then we come back down with Him to the Mt of Olives? So we go up and right back down again?! That's odd.

Yes as the way I understand it is according to Matthew 24:29-31, John 5:25-29; John 6:38-40; 1 Corinthians 15:50-58; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18, Rev 19:6-31; Rev 20:7-9. Jesus only returns once on the last day and every eye will see Him as He comes with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God (no secret quiet Rapture). He sends His angels out to the four corners of the earth as we are than caught up to meet Him in the air which is the marriage supper of the Lamb and will return with Christ when He plants His feet on the Mount of Olives for the final battle called Armageddon as we are the camp of the saints in Rev 20:9 that Satan tries to destroy, but God sends fire down from heaven to destroy those who Satan sends out to surround the camp of the saints and then Satan is cast into the lake of fire.

(5) Satan let loose for the battle...so Satan only does a couple weeks bound? A month? How long is Satan really bound for if it isn't 1000 years?

2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Revelation 20:1-8 is the only passage in the entire Bible that the premillennialists have as the basis for the 1000 year reign of Christ and Satan being bound for a thousand years. Rev 20:4 doesn't speak about a 1000 year reign of Christ it says by the vision John received "and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years." It's not Christ that reigns 1000 years, but those who were killed for God's sake that reign with Christ 1000 years as 1000 being a figurative number, not a literal number as in Deuteronomy 7:9; 1Chronicles 16:15; Psalms 50:10; 90:4; 105:8 Ecc 6:6; 7:28; Daniel 5:1; 2 Peter 3:8.

IMO, I also do not see Satan being bound for a 1literal 000 years after Christ returns, but only for a short time. How short, I'm not sure.

(6-7) It sounds like you're saying that these things happen boom boom boom one after another real fast. I disagree with you there, and besides, you left out the Marriage Supper of the Lamb! When does it happen?!

You don't have to agree with me as these are how I understand the scriptures and yes, I do see everything happening very quickly from the time Christ returns up to the New Jerusalem being ushered down. God's timing is much symbolic as it is literal. I guess we will just have to wait and see when Christ returns and then it probably won't matter who was right or wrong. All that truly matters is that we are prepared to be His Bride before He returns.

 

[for_his_glory]

I agree with you, except no one has ever taken the kingdoms of this world out of Gods' hands. It seems our Father even puts unbelievers in charge for his own purposes,

the Most High rules the kingdom of men and gives it to whom he will and sets over it the lowliest of men. Dan.4:17

I can understand how God uses the wickedness of rulers to correct us, without approving of their evil intentions,

Then the LORD said to Abram, “Know for certain that your offspring will be sojourners in a land that is not theirs and will be servants there, and they will be afflicted for four hundred years. But I will bring judgment on the nation that they serve... Gen.15:13-14

I'm just really opposed to the idea that there ever was a time when our God wasn't ruling over all, because I'm convinced anyone who thinks our Lord Jesus wasn't ruling, especially from the cross, doesn't understand rhe gospel. I know you see his reinging in love in the face of such adversity.

I do agree with you on everything you have said here.

 

[Edward]

I would like to ask you a very loaded question. Why would any unbelieving humans survive Christs' 2nd coming?

The unbelieving evil people will not but after the rapture there will be a lot of people who were fence sitting and now know they missed the rapture. So there should be a big revival.

Some must survive though if the Lord separates the sheep and the goats, right?