What is the purpose of hell?

[Benoni]

I disagree there are far too many errors in scripture be for me to to believe there is not a deliberate calulated mistranslation. Man is not an eternal being for he has a beginning, God is eternal. A careful study of the Greek word “aionios†(translated as “eternal,†“everlasting,†and “forever and ever†in our English translations) shows that it comes from the Greek noun “aion†which always means “an indeterminate period of time.†It is a most unfortunate thing that the translators of old chose to translate “aionios†from the Latin language rather than the Greek from which the word is derived. God’s punishment will not last forever as is commonly taught, but will only last for the ages and only UNTIL God’s purpose for it is complete.

Eternal, eternity, etc. is not actually found in Scripture though in some aspects applied through inference of propositions. The problem is that the Greek words which were translated to "eternal" actually do not translate properly in English because there is no word in English which translates it properly. In this case, the word is "AIONIOS" and it is a descriptive adjective which just means "of, or in, or belonging to, or coming from, or resmbling, or befitting the AION.

AION is a noun meaning, "A period of time, or perpetuity of time, or definitive age, or unbroken age." It simply means an age with unknown measure which can be indefinitive or definitive.

So literally the word "AIONIOS" being translated as "Eternal" would more accurately be defined as "agely"; however since "agely" is not a real word, that leaves the English language without a literal translation for the word "AIONIOS".

So anytime you saw Jesus say "Eternal" this and "Eternal" that, he didn't say "perpetually of time" but rather an indeterminate duration that is neither perpetual nor definitive.

The original Greek word that is translated into English as "Eternal" and "Everlasting" is ???????. This word is not mistranslated; rather it is difficult to put into finite human words the dimensional frame of reference of "Eternity," the "Everlasting." God transcends time, and is not bound by the limitations of time; therefore, it is not within human understanding to define that which is outside of time. The word ???????, "Eternal, Everlasting" is as close as we can get to a proper definition; and closer to the meaning then the word "Age," as "Age" gives the impression of an end can be arrived at. However, we can determine what the meaning of this word means by the context in which it is used.

Let us look at a verse of Scripture that Jesus reveals the end result of those who believe and those who do not believe. Jesus uses the same word, ???????, "Eternal"

46 And these shall go away into everlasting <???????> punishment: but the righteous into life eternal <???????>. Matthew 25:46

Notice that Jesus uses the same Greek word to define the length of punishment and life are identical periods outside of time; eternal, forever, everlasting, etc. There is no end to "everlasting punishment," nor is there any end to "life eternal."

 

[ThreeInOne]

God created hell for the devil and his little demons. So, you know it's a bad place to be. When we die in our sins we choose to be separated from God for all of eternity. God doesn't put us there, we do. Jesus died so that none of us would have to. We have a choice. Choose Jesus or choose hell.

If you haven't invited the Lord, Jesus Christ into your heart/life, you have chosen to live for yourself, therefore you belong to Satan. If death comes before repentance you will not escape hell.

We all deserve hell but Jesus made a way for us to live with Him for all eternity. He has paid our debt in full.

Which will you choose? An eternal life with the Creator of everything or an eternal life of torture in the lake of fire?

The Lord is knocking but will you answer?

 

[glorydaz]

God created hell for the devil and his little demons. So, you know it's a bad place to be. When we die in our sins we choose to be separated from God for all of eternity. God doesn't put us there, we do. Jesus died so that none of us would have to. We have a choice. Choose Jesus or choose hell.

If you haven't invited the Lord, Jesus Christ into your heart/life, you have chosen to live for yourself, therefore you belong to Satan. If death comes before repentance you will not escape hell.

We all deserve hell but Jesus made a way for us to live with Him for all eternity. He has paid our debt in full.

Which will you choose? An eternal life with the Creator of everything or an eternal life of torture in the lake of fire?

The Lord is knocking but will you answer?

Nicely put.

 

[Solo]

The original Greek word that is translated into English as "Eternal" and "Everlasting" is ???????. This word is not mistranslated; rather it is difficult to put into finite human words the dimensional frame of reference of "Eternity," the "Everlasting." God transcends time, and is not bound by the limitations of time; therefore, it is not within human understanding to define that which is outside of time. The word ???????, "Eternal, Everlasting" is as close as we can get to a proper definition; and closer to the meaning then the word "Age," as "Age" gives the impression of an end can be arrived at. However, we can determine what the meaning of this word means by the context in which it is used.

Let us look at a verse of Scripture that Jesus reveals the end result of those who believe and those who do not believe. Jesus uses the same word, ???????, "Eternal"

46 And these shall go away into everlasting <???????> punishment: but the righteous into life eternal <???????>. Matthew 25:46

Notice that Jesus uses the same Greek word to define the length of punishment and life are identical periods outside of time; eternal, forever, everlasting, etc. There is no end to "everlasting punishment," nor is there any end to "life eternal."

I disagree there are far too many errors in scripture be for me to to believe there is not a deliberate calulated mistranslation. Man is not an eternal being for he has a beginning, God is eternal.

Adam was created immortal for eternity, and only through his transgression was he judged to die. Only through Adam's disobedience did death come into the world.

The Word of God is truth, and God Almighty is able to reveal His written word throughout all generations of man.

A careful study of the Greek word “aionios†(translated as “eternal,†“everlasting,†and “forever and ever†in our English translations) shows that it comes from the Greek noun “aion†which always means “an indeterminate period of time.†It is a most unfortunate thing that the translators of old chose to translate “aionios†from the Latin language rather than the Greek from which the word is derived. God’s punishment will not last forever as is commonly taught, but will only last for the ages and only UNTIL God’s purpose for it is complete.

You make the statement that "the Greek word 'aionios'..."comes from the Greek noun 'aion' which always means 'an indeterminate period of time.'" Just prior you state that "God is eternal."
Since the Greek word "always means 'an indeterminate period of time,'" will God cease to exist? The only word we have in the Scriptures that denotes "eternal" is the Greek word "??????? (aionos)." So if God is eternal, everlasting, forever and ever, without end; so is eternal punishment and eternal life.

Eternal, eternity, etc. is not actually found in Scripture though in some aspects applied through inference of propositions. The problem is that the Greek words which were translated to "eternal" actually do not translate properly in English because there is no word in English which translates it properly. In this case, the word is "AIONIOS" and it is a descriptive adjective which just means "of, or in, or belonging to, or coming from, or resmbling, or befitting the AION.

Not true. As I have shown in my previous post, the Greek word "??????? (aionos)" is used 71 times in the New Testament, and is translated into the English King James Version as eternal 42 times, everlasting 25 times, the world began plus 5550 "??????, chronos" 2 times, since the world began plus 5550 "??????, chronos" 1 time, and for ever 1 time. No where is the Greek word translated into the King James Version anything other than a representation of an everlasting, eternal, non-ending period without the constraints of time, beginning or ending.

AION is a noun meaning, "A period of time, or perpetuity of time, or definitive age, or unbroken age." It simply means an age with unknown measure which can be indefinitive or definitive.

False. Jesus tells us in Matthew 25:46 that eternal life is given to the righteous and eternal punishment is given to the unrighteous. Eternal life is unending. Eternal punishment is unending.

So literally the word "AIONIOS" being translated as "Eternal" would more accurately be defined as "agely"; however since "agely" is not a real word, that leaves the English language without a literal translation for the word "AIONIOS".

The English language has a great word that translates from the Greek word "AIONIOS," and that English word is everlasting, lasts forever and ever and ever.

So anytime you saw Jesus say "Eternal" this and "Eternal" that, he didn't say "perpetually of time" but rather an indeterminate duration that is neither perpetual nor definitive.

Untrue. When Jesus spoke of "Eternity," He was speaking of a period of existence that was not constrained by time.

 

[faithtransforms]

AAA,

When Adam sinned, man died spiritually. He took on a sin nature. A sin nature separates you from God because a dead spirit cannot commune with the Living God. Therefore we must be born again (receiving a new and living spirit) in order to spend eternity with God. If this does not occur, and one rejects God, he is separated from God and from all that is good forever. Hell is a place where the goodness of God is completely absent. Without any good, it is all evil.

To answer another post, when David said "if I make my bed in hell you are there", he was talking about Sheol, which had two chambers. Abrahams bosom, for the righteous, and Hades, for the unrighteous. I am pretty sure David expected to find himself in Abrahams bosom.

 

[veteran]

I assume that Christians believe that hell is real and eternal.

I'm trying to figure this out: what, according to Christianity, is the purpose of hell?

There's another view The Bible gives about the abode of hell, that of a heavenly prison...

1 Pet 3:18-19
18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
19 By which also He went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
(KJV)

Isa 42:6-7
6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;
7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.
(KJV)

2 Pet 2:4
4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
(KJV)

So the comparison is one similar to earthly prisons, a holding place for the wicked, especially for the devil and his angels. Rev.20:14 says that the abode of hell is to go into the "lake of fire", which is also called the "second death". Ps.37 says the wicked will perish, "into smoke they shall consume away." That's how I interpret their punishment as being everlasting; when they perish it will be everlasting, like gone forever.

 

[Benoni]

Interesting “RELIGIOUS†belief based on your opinion. First of all if you have read any of the post that have already been posted you will see the word “hell†is not even in the original language of the Bible. Yes God created Hades, Sheol or Gehenna as well as Tartarus but as we already posted these described as places of the dead and not this evil concoction “religious men†have created.

When it comes to choosing anything I agree man has a lot of choices, but man did not choose sin, or the fall and no where in scripture does it say man chooses hell or salvation. In fact if you read your Bible instead of what ever you believe in you never find anywhere where man chooses salvation; in fact the Bible teaches totally to the contrary.ht a F

I bought a new Jeep last week, I could of bought a Ford. I can choose water over pop. I did not choose my color of skin, my parents, where I was born; nor did I choose to be born in a cursed sinful body, and I cannot choose my salvation.

Ps. 90:1-3. "Lord, You have been our dwelling place in all generations. Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever You have formed the earth or the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, You are God. You (God) turn man to destruction; and say return you children of men.

Notice it was God not little Adam and Eve that turned man to destruction so why would God create a hell if He cause the fall?

The Lake of Fire is spiritual and is not literal.

God created hell for the devil and his little demons. So, you know it's a bad place to be. When we die in our sins we choose to be separated from God for all of eternity. God doesn't put us there, we do. Jesus died so that none of us would have to. We have a choice. Choose Jesus or choose hell.

If you haven't invited the Lord, Jesus Christ into your heart/life, you have chosen to live for yourself, therefore you belong to Satan. If death comes before repentance you will not escape hell.

We all deserve hell but Jesus made a way for us to live with Him for all eternity. He has paid our debt in full.

Which will you choose? An eternal life with the Creator of everything or an eternal life of torture in the lake of fire?

The Lord is knocking but will you answer?

 

[Benoni]

This not true, look a little closer we also have the word: NT:126 aidios.

Matthew 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting <???????> punishment: but the righteous into life eternal <???????>.


In Romans 1:20 we find the Greek word aidios which is not the same as “aionios†here this verse is speaking about God not man.

NT:166 aionios (ahee-o'-nee-os); from NT:165; perpetual (also used of past time, or past and future as well):

Romans 1: 20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: KJV

NT:126 aidios (ah-id'-ee-os); from NT:104; everduring (forward and backward, or forward only):

The Bible is not speaking about God being an eternal being in Matthew 25;46 we are speaking about “man†be it age abiding pruning or age abiding life. God is not calling all people now, when God calls them they will have no choice. The big issue you are not seeing with these heresies of damnations is the priest hood of God; this is the tool God will use for the remainder of humanity in the ages to come.

We all agree man is not an eternal being, for man has a beginning, we also all that God is an eternal being, with “no beginning or end†you see eternity is absolute timelessness, eternity is without either beginning or end. There cannot be more than one eternity. You cannot add a second eternity on to a first eternity, forever in English means "for eternity; always; perpetually; endlessly." Now if "for ever" is "eternity" how can you add "and ever," attaching ANOTHER ETERNITY to an already existing eternity?

That isn't even correct English grammar! Ah - but ages are time and time,they can be added to! When the Greek speaks of "the ages of the ages" it is speaking of AGGREGATED PERIODS OF TIME - not eternity! And you cannot get eternity by compounding all the time periods of the past and the future, for time began and time ends. The ages and all the time and times combined do not equal eternity. There simply is no such thing as "the endless ages of eternity" as the preachers love to say, for the phrase is a complete contradiction of itself. No one who is sane and reasonable can maintain otherwise. To do so is to contradict all known facts and to contradict God's own Word.

The original Greek word that is translated into English as "Eternal" and "Everlasting" is ???????. This word is not mistranslated; rather it is difficult to put into finite human words the dimensional frame of reference of "Eternity," the "Everlasting." God transcends time, and is not bound by the limitations of time; therefore, it is not within human understanding to define that which is outside of time. The word ???????, "Eternal, Everlasting" is as close as we can get to a proper definition; and closer to the meaning then the word "Age," as "Age" gives the impression of an end can be arrived at. However, we can determine what the meaning of this word means by the context in which it is used.

Let us look at a verse of Scripture that Jesus reveals the end result of those who believe and those who do not believe. Jesus uses the same word, ???????, "Eternal"

 

[Benoni]

aion or aionios

Notice my point is not being made from some bias religious school of thought but instead I use God's devine Word as my reference point.

These two words are translated as well as mis-translated thirteen ways: eternal age, ages of ages, course, world, , since the world began, from the beginning of the world, ever, forever, forever and ever, for evermore, while the world standeth, world without end, and, never.

Now I understand what the bias translators have interpreted the Bible using these two words as mentioned above but it just does not add up in the Bible. God’s Word is perfect; with out error; but it is full of errors if we believe these translator and or translations

The term forever (and its equivalents, eternal and everlasting) often occurs when it cannot possibly mean unending. In the story of Jonah one is surprised to hear him say while in the belly of the fish, "I went down to the bottoms of the mountains; the earth with her bars was about me for ever" (Jon. 2:6). But he was in the fish only three days and three nights!

When a Hebrew slave loved his master and did not wish to go free at the end of the seventh year, we read, "... His master shall bore his ear through with an awl; and he shall serve him for ever" (Ex. 21:6). Of course, that couldn't be longer than his life span.

Again, when Solomon built the temple unto the Lord, he began his prayer of dedication with the statement, "I have surely built You a house to dwell in, a settled place for You to abide in for ever" (I Kgs. 8:13). And the Lord answered Solomon, "I have heard your prayer and supplication that you have made before Me: I have hallowed this house, which you have built, to put My name there for ever" (I Kgs. 9:3). But Solomon's temple lasted for only about 400 years! And it was never in God's mind to dwell there for ever!

Here is something that ought to be clear to any intelligent, honest man. A word that is used to mean in one case three days and nights, in another case to mean a man's lifetime, and in still another case to mean a period of about four centuries, surely does not mean unending or eternal, no matter what English word is used to translate it. USAGE DETERMINES MEANING.

Another illustration is the Aaronic priesthood. According to the King James version, Aaron and his sons were anointed as priests for ever. It says, "Their anointing shall surely be an everlasting priesthood throughout their generations" (Ex. 40:15). Yet we read in Heb. 7:11-18 that the Aaronic priesthood is CHANGED to that of Melchizedek. "Now if perfection had been attainable by the Levitical priesthood, for under it the people were given the Law, why was it further necessary that there should arise another and different kind of Priest, one after the order of Melchizedek, rather than one appointed after the order of Aaron? For when there is a CHANGE IN THE PRIESTHOOD, there is of necessity an alteration of the law concerning the priesthood as well. For it is obvious that our Lord sprang from the tribe of Judah, and Moses mentioned nothing about priests in connection with that tribe. So, a previous physical regulation and command is CANCELLED because of its weakness and ineffectiveness and uselessness" (Amplified Bible).

Amazing, isn't it, that the priesthood which was ordained for ever has been CANCELLED! There would be no contradiction if the statement in Exodus were translated as it should be, "to the age throughout their generations." That is, throughout their generations AS LONG AS THAT AGE LASTED. In the Septuagint, the Greek translation of the Hebrew Scriptures which Jesus and His disciples used, the Greek word AION was the word used for the Hebrew OLAM. According to Hebrew and Greek usage, therefore, these words mean a period of time, a period of unknown length, the duration of which is determined by the fact or condition or person to which the term is applied.

Not true. As I have shown in my previous post, the Greek word "??????? (aionos)" is used 71 times in the New Testament, and is translated into the English King James Version as eternal 42 times, everlasting 25 times, the world began plus 5550 "??????, chronos" 2 times, since the world began plus 5550 "??????, chronos" 1 time, and for ever 1 time. No where is the Greek word translated into the King James Version anything other than a representation of an everlasting, eternal, non-ending period without the constraints of time, beginning or ending.

 

[Orion]

God created hell for the devil and his little demons. So, you know it's a bad place to be. When we die in our sins we choose to be separated from God for all of eternity. God doesn't put us there, we do. Jesus died so that none of us would have to. We have a choice. Choose Jesus or choose hell.

The Lord is knocking but will you answer?

1. In what way are non-coporeal beings affected by a literal fire?

2. The "choose Jesus or choose Hell" statement is problematic.

3. I do not hear any knocking. Why is that?

 

[Relic]

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So Benoni will continue to insist on promoting Universal Reconciliation no matter what scriptures show otherwise?


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[Solo]

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So Benoni will continue to insist on promoting Universal Reconciliation no matter what scriptures show otherwise?


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Yes unfortunately the blinders are on! Isn't it against the TOS to post on the teaching and promotion of Universal Reconciliation on this forum?

 

[Relic]

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And Orion,

You don't hear God Knocking because you are refusing to see God's love in the small stuff but only see Him from the perspective of harsh heavy handedness. Can't even appreciate the fact that it is God who gives you every breath you breath but only see God from a critical doubting eye. Recognize the whiles of the devil and you will see him at work trying to instill his hellishness, recognize the love of God and you will see Him at work knocking at the door of your heart instilling His Love in all things where there is thanksgiving/gratitude/appreciation of goodness/righteousness, where there is the lovely, the pure, the truth, joy in the Lord and everything that is From and Of Him, etc. When you doubt and critique Him what do you expect to become of that? Love, Or what it is.... nothing but negative outlook? Don't you know that not even a smile of appreciation is in hell? Hell is all that is of things come opposing God. Whose side are you on anyway? When you see God look at the Psalms of David and see how even David a man who scheemed to be rid of a man to obtain his wife. suffered for what he did but was still a man seeking after the HEART of God. The HEART of God is that which offers blessings to those who accept, yes even to give sacrifices of thanskgiving. Life is not always easy, God never promises us that because man with freedom of will to choose would only be limited and robotic like if there were no freedom to choose. God doesn't make us like robots. Choose that which is of the righteousness of God, accept that fact that Satan will come to try and make you be against that which the Lord God wills for you in life, to seek after His HEART. The devil will try to stop you by whispering in your mind.... that God is the culprit and not the devil! The devil will always place the blame of God and not upon himself. Stop listening to the lies of the devil and trust that Hell is not what the Lord wants us to choose to be in, but that OUR RENEWING OF THE MIND through the HOLY spirit of Christ Jesus. That same HOLY SPIRIT will be our guide to help us disern truth from the lies, deceptions that are from the whiles of the devil. Learn to decipher the spirit that speaks in your mind. That one that tells you to doubt and to call God a culprit... that spirit is NOT of God, the God that is FATHER HOLY SPIRIT. Heaven is where you find it man. And it isn't in the critical spirit that comes to say God is the culprit! That spirit is from hell, you need to reject it, say get thee behind me. AND THEN study scripture from the perspective that God is the HOLY. Learn what is of the HOLY Spirit and rely on things Holy in spite of the devil from hell come to tell you that you are undeserving, unable to hear that knock of the Love of God. Appreciate the small stuff. One day at a time, one moment at a time and grow IN THE LORD, HIS GOODNESS. Read the scirptures from searching the positive things, the promises, the things HOLY and take them as they are offered to you, in spite of the nagging negatives of the whiles of the devil. Stop being lured by the negative critical spirit that tells you God is the culprit. THAT spirit is a liar! Print out the 365 positive affirmations and read them daily tillthey become your mind-set. http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=36846&p=443602#p443602

Focus on the positive of the Lord and stop listening to the negative lies and degrading spirit of the devil who comes from out of hell to lie to you. We battle against spirits and principalities, do you understand that? Those spirits and principalities are NOT of JHVH GD, they are from the hellish things of the spirit of satan. We all need to learn how to recognize the spirits and principalities of the whiles of the devil, HOW TO DEAL effectively with them with the HOLY word of God. That HOLY Word is the only weapon we have in fighting against these hellish spirits. Life is not always easy, but the LOVE OF GOD GIVES US THE TOOLS TO OVERCOME those spirits and principalities that come to steal away from us. Spoiled undisciplined spirits do not want to grow in the Lord because they expect everything to be handed to them without anything interfering. The Lord God created opposites for a reason, we all need to accept that fact and stop trying to make ourselves above the LAWS OF NATURE AND SPIRIT. HEAVEN and HELL are opposites if we can't accept the fact that there are opposites and to strive to seek the side of the spectrum, the scale that is OF things HOLY and PURE from the LOVE of GOD rather than continually focusing on the negatives of the spectrum, the scale... then where do you think you will end up? Opposites are created for a reason. Follow the instructions and the RENEWING OF THE MIND OF AND IN CHRIST JESUS. And stop listening to the badgering hellishness of the unrelenting whiles of the devil. THAT battle is not going to stop until we see Christ return. Read the book of Revelation and see that Christ still gives us the promise of the Victory, the Glory IN HIM, to those who OVERCOME. Stop giving into the lies of the devil who comes to decieve you that you are not hearing the knock of Christ Jesus. When you start to GIVE SACRIFICES OF PRAISE AND THANKSGIVING yes, even in the small things... just FOCUS on the GLORY and things of God in HIS LOVE for you and the LOVE IN HIM geared towards provision and blessings for you, yes it's even in the beauty of a rose, the small stuff. REad the bible from the perspective of seeking the good and the pure, the lovely and the HOLY things rather than focusing on the things that whisper lies to you. Seek the things that are of the heavenly not the critical hellish. Stop criticizing God and start finding the nuggets of gold that HE shows us through his "HOLINESS".

365 PROMISES
http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=36846&p=443602#p443602

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[Orion]

Relic, . . . while I appreciate the long reply, the things you mentioned don't translate to me as "coming specifically from the biblical god". As I see it, there isn't any evidence that any specific divine being is personally on a quest to find me. The "small things", besides their naturalism (I'm assuming you mean, sun sets, flowers, a child's smile, or my own breath), . . . if you are implying a spiritual meaning to them, cannot be given to any specific religion, . . . and to be honest, the earth based pagan religions seem to focus more on "the small things".

I DO appreciate your words, . . . . thank you! However, these things aren't the same as a personal and dynamic encounter of a specific deity/divinity purposefully "knocking on my door". I can't be reached through what reaches you or anyone else. Again, . . . I thank you for your offering.

 

[Relic]

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If you "believe" that you can't be reached, then that's exactly what you will get.

I suppose there's a doubting Thomas in every bunch, aye? This web forum seems to have plenty of them around here. Atheists, agnostics, doubters... etc. :gah :nag

Maybe on your death bed when you are an old man you will see what you are going to face. In the mean time.... you WILL serve a master whether you want to admit it or not, because what you "believe" IS The Master. And we all have CHOICE to whichever or whatever we will to believe.

Why are you here Orion? To prove or show what? That you are far superior or inferior to be touched by the saving grace and redeeming Hand of God? Devil or angel... Heaven or Hell... Cold, lukewarn, hot... Belief or doubt... Accept or reject... It's all a matter of choice. Choose what you will. This is a Christian based web forum and you only come here to bring your doubt and critique of God in seeing Him as a Heavy Handed Culprit, rather than what Good and Righteousness you find from out of the scriptures? How long have you been a member of this forum? And your tune has not changed one bit. Wow.

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[Orion]

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If you "believe" that you can't be reached, then that's exactly what you will get.

I suppose there's a doubting Thomas in every bunch, aye? This web forum seems to have plenty of them around here. Atheists, agnostics, doubters... etc. :gah :nag

Maybe on your death bed when you are an old man you will see what you are going to face. In the mean time.... you WILL serve a master whether you want to admit it or not, because what you "believe" IS The Master. And we all have CHOICE to whichever or whatever we will to believe.

Why are you here Orion? To prove or show what? That you are far superior or inferior to be touched by the saving grace and redeeming Hand of God? Devil or angel... Heaven or Hell... Cold, lukewarn, hot... Belief or doubt... Accept or reject... It's all a matter of choice. Choose what you will. This is a Christian based web forum and you only come here to bring your doubt and critique of God in seeing Him as a Heavy Handed Culprit, rather than what Good and Righteousness you find from out of the scriptures? How long have you been a member of this forum? And your tune has not changed one bit. Wow.

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Righteous indignation not withstanding, . . . a person can't just "choose to believe". There has to be a legitimate reason to, . . . a significan't pull, . . . or your belief is "just another person's belief that you cling onto". I hope you can see the difference. Currently, I don't know WHAT to believe, but am searching. However, I don't agree with Pascal's Wager.

 

[Benoni]

If I am not showing scripture please point to me where this is true?

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So Benoni will continue to insist on promoting Universal Reconciliation no matter what scriptures show otherwise?


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[glorydaz]

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So Benoni will continue to insist on promoting Universal Reconciliation no matter what scriptures show otherwise?


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Yes unfortunately the blinders are on! Isn't it against the TOS to post on the teaching and promotion of Universal Reconciliation on this forum?

Brother...you're not talking universal reconciliation as being the same as universal salvation are you?
The cross reconciled men to God, but not all men are saved. I'm wondering if we're just using different terms. Reconciliation reverses the enmity between God and mankind that resulted from Adam's transgression. Reconciliation was a universal act accomplished by Jesus' death on the cross. Salvation is accomplished by being filled with the Holy Spirit to receive eternal life. Salvation is an act of God upon a specific individual person, one at a time. Christ died for the sins of the whole world, and we were reconciled to God by His death..man now has access to God, but we're saved by His resurrection life when we believe. Universal salvation is different, as I see it, and not scriptural.

For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

 

[Solo]

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So Benoni will continue to insist on promoting Universal Reconciliation no matter what scriptures show otherwise?


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Yes unfortunately the blinders are on! Isn't it against the TOS to post on the teaching and promotion of Universal Reconciliation on this forum?

Brother...you're not talking universal reconciliation as being the same as universal salvation are you?
The cross reconciled men to God, but not all men are saved. I'm wondering if we're just using different terms. Reconciliation reverses the enmity between God and mankind that resulted from Adam's transgression. Reconciliation was a universal act accomplished by Jesus' death on the cross. Salvation is accomplished by being filled with the Holy Spirit to receive eternal life. Salvation is an act of God upon a specific individual person, one at a time. Christ died for the sins of the whole world, and we were reconciled to God by His death..man now has access to God, but we're saved by His resurrection life when we believe. Universal salvation is different, as I see it, and not scriptural.

For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

Universal Reconciliation teaches that all go to heaven regardless of their unbelief. Universal Reconciliationists and Annihilationists do not believe in a literal eternal punishment.

 

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If you "believe" that you can't be reached, then that's exactly what you will get.

I suppose there's a doubting Thomas in every bunch, aye? This web forum seems to have plenty of them around here. Atheists, agnostics, doubters... etc. :gah :nag

Maybe on your death bed when you are an old man you will see what you are going to face. In the mean time.... you WILL serve a master whether you want to admit it or not, because what you "believe" IS The Master. And we all have CHOICE to whichever or whatever we will to believe.

Why are you here Orion? To prove or show what? That you are far superior or inferior to be touched by the saving grace and redeeming Hand of God? Devil or angel... Heaven or Hell... Cold, lukewarn, hot... Belief or doubt... Accept or reject... It's all a matter of choice. Choose what you will. This is a Christian based web forum and you only come here to bring your doubt and critique of God in seeing Him as a Heavy Handed Culprit, rather than what Good and Righteousness you find from out of the scriptures? How long have you been a member of this forum? And your tune has not changed one bit. Wow.

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It isn't entirely his fault. He's been spending a lot of time on another thread listening to how God does not love the whole world, but only the elect. That God does not desire that all men repent, and that He has deliberately created some for destruction. He hasn't been given an accurate portrayal of God or God's Word. I wouldn't want to believe in the God that's being preached over there if I were him, either.