What is the purpose of hell?

[Feldew]

I assume that Christians believe that hell is real and eternal.

I'm trying to figure this out: what, according to Christianity, is the purpose of hell?

It's a place for people who are defiant to God and prideful and, well... basically look at Lucifer: He was the reason Hell was 'opened' in the first place. :3

 

[Benoni]

Sorry to flatten your own win skin but Lucifer is not Satan. God created Satan.

Religion assumes Lucifer is Satan.

First of all lets stop blindly following tradition and look at God’s Word for our answers to who and what is scriptural. Satan cannot be Lucifer because no where does it say Satan is Lucifer and besides God created Satan.

Isaiah 54:16 Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his works; and I have created the waster to destroy.

Jesus in Jn 8:44 Said Ye are of your father, the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the BEGINNING and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar and the father of it. John writes in

1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the BEGINNING. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil..

It is impossible, Satan cannot have two beginnings that is if you believe God’s Word and not Rome.

I assume that Christians believe that hell is real and eternal.

I'm trying to figure this out: what, according to Christianity, is the purpose of hell?

It's a place for people who are defiant to God and prideful and, well... basically look at Lucifer: He was the reason Hell was 'opened' in the first place. :3

 

[Benoni]

God is not calling all people now.

"For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and TO ALL THAT ARE AFAR OFF, even as many as the Lord our God shall call." (Acts 2:39).

1 Corinthians 15:22-24

22For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.


(order) Gk Strong’s NT:5001 tagma (tag'-mah); from NT:5021; something orderly in arrangement (a troop), i.e. (figuratively) a series or succession:
If God does not call you, you cannot come.

"For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in His own order; Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at His coming." (I Cor. 15:22-23). There is no doubt concerning the totality of salvation for every man-- whatever was affected by death through Adam, shall be MADE ALIVE THROUGH CHRIST. The triumph of Christ is far greater than the sin of Adam. But the point that is before us is that of TIMING-- with "every man in his own order." There is DIVINE ORDER in this NEW CREATION that is being brought forth, as God gathers one by one a people unto Himself. From Calvary until this present time, God has been working in what is rightly termed "HIS FIRSTFRUITS." We who are living at the ending of this age (web ed. note: which still could be a long ways away) are still being drawn into this "firstfruits order." But never forget, the firstfruits of a harvest are the PROMISE that all the rest of the harvest will follow in its time.

 

[Vic C.]

Hello all, can we save the Lucifer discussion for another thread? If you do a search, you may find one already.

Thanks.

 

[glorydaz]

God is not calling all people now.

"For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and TO ALL THAT ARE AFAR OFF, even as many as the Lord our God shall call." (Acts 2:39).

1 Corinthians 15:22-24

22For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.


(order) Gk Strong’s NT:5001 tagma (tag'-mah); from NT:5021; something orderly in arrangement (a troop), i.e. (figuratively) a series or succession:
If God does not call you, you cannot come.

"For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in His own order; Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at His coming." (I Cor. 15:22-23). There is no doubt concerning the totality of salvation for every man-- whatever was affected by death through Adam, shall be MADE ALIVE THROUGH CHRIST. The triumph of Christ is far greater than the sin of Adam. But the point that is before us is that of TIMING-- with "every man in his own order." There is DIVINE ORDER in this NEW CREATION that is being brought forth, as God gathers one by one a people unto Himself. From Calvary until this present time, God has been working in what is rightly termed "HIS FIRSTFRUITS." We who are living at the ending of this age (web ed. note: which still could be a long ways away) are still being drawn into this "firstfruits order." But never forget, the firstfruits of a harvest are the PROMISE that all the rest of the harvest will follow in its time.

Just curious...are you claiming all men will be saved?

 

[Relic]

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Some people think that Hell is no different than a place called purgatory, that all will be released from, as if it's no different than what a child would face having to go to their room for punishment for a short period of time.

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[Vince]

The Greek word "Hades" referred to a place of consciousness after death, where the people stayed forever. Only the very worst people in Hades were tormented. The Bible tells us, though, that the people in Hades do get out, and that those who were not written in the Book of Life are cast into the Lake of Fire (which is smaller than the Sea of Galilee).

Did some of the people in Hades get saved while there?

 

[Orion]

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Some people think that Hell is no different than a place called purgatory, that all will be released from, as if it's no different than what a child would face having to go to their room for punishment for a short period of time.

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You may find the idea crazy, . . . . but it [purgatory] makes for a pretty good western movie.

 

[elijah23]

I’ve got a question. Read this, please:

And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life. Matt 25:46 RSV

So what is “eternal punishment� Is it a place where people will be sent forever, or is it simply a place that will always exist?

 

[Solo]

I already posted Eph. 2 where it shows a step by step process in context how God declares it is done.
Faith comes only after God quicken the carnal man who is dead in trespasses and sin.

CONTEXT! CONTEXT! CONTEXT! CONTEXT! CONTEXT! CONTEXT!

Eph, 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

(Eph. 6:17). Then the writer to the Hebrews declares that the sword of God’s word is "QUICK ."Quick means living and active — LIFE-GIVING! "For the word of God that speaks is alive and full of power — making it active, operative, energizing and effective; it is sharper than any two-edged sword" (Heb. 4:12, Amplified).

2Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

3Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

4But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,

5Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved

6And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

7That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.

Notice so far it is God doing this work of salvation not little man in his dead carnal nature who rejects all things of God.

8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9Not of works, lest any man should boast

It is a strange theory that obsesses men that the human will is greater in power than God, and that, no matter what the will of God is for His creatures, man is able finally to wreck it. Although the Holy Spirit seeks to woo all men to Christ, since God loves all mankind and wills to save all men, still, the omniscient God has boxed Himself into a corner, since the will of God is bound by the will of man, and the Omnipotent Spirit can be resisted by finite man if man so chooses.

Such faulty reasoning actually brings into prominence ANOTHER OMNIPOTENCE which, because it baffles the omnipotence and love of God, is by far the greater. Man will not so God cannot! What makes this notion so tragic is that it DEIFIES MAN, elevating him to god-hood, and aligns all who embrace it with the very sin that caused the fall in the beginning!

It is true that man has a will, but so also has God.
It is true that man is endowed with power, but God is all-powerful.
It is true that, speaking generally, the material world is regulated by law, but behind that law is the law-Giver and law-Administrator. Man is but the creature. God is the Creator

I never get deep in God’s Word until someone want to go deeper, that is why I put vague comments out to see if some one truly wants to go there. God hides His deep spiritual Word from the religious, the letter killeth. You are right we should never look at God’s Word the way we see them, in fact we should never look at scripture thought the eyes of religious eyes, we should be open to what God’s Word is saying, not man. If Jesus got up set with anyone during his walk on earth it was the religious of his day, not the sinner.

Then the starting point of this conversation should be, "How is a person saved?"

 

[Benoni]

We already covered this look on page four third from the bottom.

The Greek word "Hades" referred to a place of consciousness after death, where the people stayed forever. Only the very worst people in Hades were tormented. The Bible tells us, though, that the people in Hades do get out, and that those who were not written in the Book of Life are cast into the Lake of Fire (which is smaller than the Sea of Galilee).

Did some of the people in Hades get saved while there?

 

[Benoni]

This too has already been covered.

I’ve got a question. Read this, please:

And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life. Matt 25:46 RSV

So what is “eternal punishment� Is it a place where people will be sent forever, or is it simply a place that will always exist?

 

[Benoni]

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[AAA]

I'd like to summarize the thread so far:

1. There is no agreement on the purpose of hell
2. There is no agreement on what hell is like or the duration that one's soul will spend there
3. There is no agreement on what is required to avoid hell
4. Some think hell is a punishment for sin
5. Some think hell is an awful place to house the souls of humans who have not been able to believe that Christ is their savior

What did I miss or get wrong?

 

[JudaicChristian]

Personally I do not believe in hell, but according to some Christians the purpose of hell is for God to torture those living beings for all eternity. For what ever the reason, it makes sense to them. The Orthodox Jews have never taught that there is a hell; and if you would study the Hebrew word "Sheol" you would find that it only means "grave." It's a shame that our scriptures are not always correctly translated.

 

[JudaicChristian]

I’ve got a question. Read this, please:

And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life. Matt 25:46 RSV

So what is “eternal punishment� Is it a place where people will be sent forever, or is it simply a place that will always exist?

Eternal punishment means Final punishment. The judgement made against the condemed is eternal and final. If the condemed have there life taken away from them, and the dead know nothing; then how is it that there is life in hell and eternal suffering?

 

[Relic]

I'd like to summarize the thread so far:

1. There is no agreement on the purpose of hell
2. There is no agreement on what hell is like or the duration that one's soul will spend there
3. There is no agreement on what is required to avoid hell
4. Some think hell is a punishment for sin
5. Some think hell is an awful place to house the souls of humans who have not been able to believe that Christ is their savior

What did I miss or get wrong?

:biglol


Did you expect anything different, like, maybe, everyone agreeing?

There are so many different people here having different denominations, and no denominations, and no belief in God, and conservative stances on their beliefs, and liberal stances on their beliefs, and confused people and really educated people and really ill informed people and even people who are here who only want to debate and create heated discussion, and even some come here to purposely bring chaos to the bunch. And then there are those who are here in hopes of bringing some to Christ. The hodge-podge of people on this web site is so vast you will never have total agreement in all cases, and will have many conflicting views also. Dont' you know, that only people who are of pretty much of the same mind will agree? There are a some who agree with each other here and some who disagree. Did you expect everyone to agree? This place is like a smorgasborg of people with a ahuge variety of views regarding every topic, yes even the topic hell. It's all a matter of differing interpretations. :silly I'll stick to what the Holy Spirit tells me in my heart. That's all I am going to do. And until the day Holy Spirit tells me I am wrong in what I held onto THAT will be the day that I will make correction. That's all any of us can do is to wait on the Lord God HOLY SPIRIT to correct us and go with that. Just keep reading and studying your bible and pray the LORD GOD HOLY SPIRIT be your guide.

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[glorydaz]

:biglol


Did you expect anything different, like, maybe, everyone agreeing?

There are so many different people here having different denominations, and no denominations, and no belief in God, and conservative stances on their beliefs, and liberal stances on their beliefs, and confused people and really educated people and really ill informed people and even people who are here who only want to debate and create heated discussion, and even some come here to purposely bring chaos to the bunch. And then there are those who are here in hopes of bringing some to Christ. The hodge-podge of people on this web site is so vast you will never have total agreement in all cases, and will have many conflicting views also. Dont' you know, that only people who are of pretty much of the same mind will agree? There are a some who agree with each other here and some who disagree. Did you expect everyone to agree? This place is like a smorgasborg of people with a ahuge variety of views regarding every topic, yes even the topic hell. It's all a matter of differing interpretations. :silly I'll stick to what the Holy Spirit tells me in my heart. That's all I am going to do. And until the day Holy Spirit tells me I am wrong in what I held onto THAT will be the day that I will make correction. That's all any of us can do is to wait on the Lord God HOLY SPIRIT to correct us and go with that. Just keep reading and studying your bible and pray the LORD GOD HOLY SPIRIT be your guide.

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LOL...You're right.

Hell, for me, is kinda like India. I don't care to know too much about it because know I'll never see it.

 

[Benoni]

Man is not truly an eternal being so how can he be punish for eternity seeing man had a beginning. hell is a pagan word not found in the original text. There are four mistranslated words that donnot translate in to the teatonic pagan word hell.

I’ve got a question. Read this, please:

And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life. Matt 25:46 RSV

So what is “eternal punishment� Is it a place where people will be sent forever, or is it simply a place that will always exist?

Eternal punishment means Final punishment. The judgement made against the condemed is eternal and final. If the condemed have there life taken away from them, and the dead know nothing; then how is it that there is life in hell and eternal suffering?

 

[Benoni]

Truth is divine and we are not, there is a truth in scripture but most men do not seek truth, they only defend what they are taught. The Bible tells us to seek, ask and knock, most believe they have God all figured out.

I'd like to summarize the thread so far:

1. There is no agreement on the purpose of hell
2. There is no agreement on what hell is like or the duration that one's soul will spend there
3. There is no agreement on what is required to avoid hell
4. Some think hell is a punishment for sin
5. Some think hell is an awful place to house the souls of humans who have not been able to believe that Christ is their savior

What did I miss or get wrong?

:biglol


Did you expect anything different, like, maybe, everyone agreeing?

There are so many different people here having different denominations, and no denominations, and no belief in God, and conservative stances on their beliefs, and liberal stances on their beliefs, and confused people and really educated people and really ill informed people and even people who are here who only want to debate and create heated discussion, and even some come here to purposely bring chaos to the bunch. And then there are those who are here in hopes of bringing some to Christ. The hodge-podge of people on this web site is so vast you will never have total agreement in all cases, and will have many conflicting views also. Dont' you know, that only people who are of pretty much of the same mind will agree? There are a some who agree with each other here and some who disagree. Did you expect everyone to agree? This place is like a smorgasborg of people with a ahuge variety of views regarding every topic, yes even the topic hell. It's all a matter of differing interpretations. :silly I'll stick to what the Holy Spirit tells me in my heart. That's all I am going to do. And until the day Holy Spirit tells me I am wrong in what I held onto THAT will be the day that I will make correction. That's all any of us can do is to wait on the Lord God HOLY SPIRIT to correct us and go with that. Just keep reading and studying your bible and pray the LORD GOD HOLY SPIRIT be your guide.

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