What Is The Purpose of This life?

[n2thelight]

As you have said this, I see we wil end up only arguing semantics as you believe some choices are pre-determined and some not. Still it remains that the purpose of this life is to glorify God and I don't mean this as some platitude. On display here for all of heaven and earth, are the workings of spiritual powers of Light and dark in men, not free wills, that is my point. When the blind think they see and the seeing know their blindness, it is only God that is glorified as the Light.

Some were justified before being born of woman

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Ecclesiastes 12:13
13 But listen, for this is the end of the matter: Fear God and keep His Commandments… this is all there is for a man!

Someone recently shared with me their opinion on this matter and I found it extremely deep and thought provoking. That person told me that they felt that this life is given to us so that we can experience what it is like to live in a world that is in the clutches of sin, ruled by powers and principalities that do not respect the true God.

Well that was not God’s intention in the garden and second what other option is there?

I thought the above statement was no more than pie in the sky talk until the person pointed out that Jesus died so that EVERYONE could be resurrected to life.

Whosoever chooses to obey and follow Jesus in this life.

Here's where I'm going with this. We know the Bible says in Hebrews that "It is appointed man once to die, and after that a judgment." Could that judgment be what we pass on ourselves by the way we live AFTER being resurrected?

No, CS Lewis said it well when he said we have made ourselves into creatures fit either for Heaven or Hell. No one in Heaven wants those who made themselves into lovers of doing evil to other people.

This question assumes that all people that are NOT a part of the 144,000 (the first fruits, those who have their part in the first resurrection) will be resurrected into a world not ruled by rebel spirits and into a world where the following is happenning: Revelation 20:1



This would mean that ALL MEN are free to choose to life as they see fit whether it be in service to God or in service to self. Those who choose God will be gifted with eternal life while those who choose self will be the ones who eventually get misled by the released Slanderer and will have their place in the "lake of fire," (the 2nd death, not Hell) from which there will be no resurrection. Just a thought.

This I agree with. The 144000 is over as it was for an event that happened long ago.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Some were justified before being born of woman

Calvinism pure and hence, cruel beyond anything else.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

I think the purpose of life is succinctly stated in Micah 6:8

 

[Fastfredy0]

Q. 1. What is the chief end of man? (Westminster Shorter Catechism)

Man’s chief end is to glorify God, [a] and to enjoy him forever.

[a] Psalm 86:9; Isaiah 60:21; Romans 11:36; 1 Corinthians 6:20; 1 Corinthians 10:31; Revelation 4:11
Psalm 16:5-11; Psalm 144:15; Isaiah 12:2; Luke 2:10; Philippians 4:4; Revelation 21:3-4

Q.104 What are the duties required in the first commandment? (Westminster Shorter Catechism)

A104: The duties required in the first commandment are, the knowing and acknowledging of God to be the only true God, and our God;[1] and to worship and glorify him accordingly[2], by thinking[3], meditating[4], remembering[5], highly esteeming[6] honoring[7], adoring[8], choosing[9], loving[10], desiring[11], fearing of him;[12], believing him;[13], trusting[14], hoping[15], delighting[16], rejoicing in him;[17], being zealous for him;[18], calling upon him giving all praise and thanks[19], and yielding all obedience and submission to him with the whole man[20], being careful in all things to please him[21], and sorrowful when in anything he is offended[22], and walking humbly with him.[23]

1. 1 Chronicles 28:9; Deuteronomy 26:17; Isaiah 43:10; Jerimiah 14:22,
2. Psalm 29:2; 95:6-7; Matthew 4:10, 3. Malachi 3:16, 4. Psalm 63:6, 5. Ecclesiastes 12:1,
6. Psalm 71:19, 7. Malachi 1:6, 8. Isaiah 45:23, 9. Joshua 24:15, 22, 10. Deuteronomy 6:5,
11. Psalm 73:25, 12. Isaiah 8:13, 13. Exodus 14:31, 14. Isaiah 26:4, 15. Psalm 130:7,
16. Psalm 37:4, 17. Psalm 32:11, 18. Romans 12:11; Numbers 25:11, 19. Philippians 4:6,
20. Jerimiah 7:28; James 4:7, 21. 1 John 3:22, 22. Jerimiah 31:18; Psalm 119:136, 23. Micah 6:8

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Q. 1. What is the chief end of man? (Westminster Shorter Catechism)

Man’s chief end is to glorify God, [a] and to enjoy him forever.

[a] Psalm 86:9; Isaiah 60:21; Romans 11:36; 1 Corinthians 6:20; 1 Corinthians 10:31; Revelation 4:11
Psalm 16:5-11; Psalm 144:15; Isaiah 12:2; Luke 2:10; Philippians 4:4; Revelation 21:3-4

Q.104 What are the duties required in the first commandment? (Westminster Shorter Catechism)

A104: The duties required in the first commandment are, the knowing and acknowledging of God to be the only true God, and our God;[1] and to worship and glorify him accordingly[2], by thinking[3], meditating[4], remembering[5], highly esteeming[6] honoring[7], adoring[8], choosing[9], loving[10], desiring[11], fearing of him;[12], believing him;[13], trusting[14], hoping[15], delighting[16], rejoicing in him;[17], being zealous for him;[18], calling upon him giving all praise and thanks[19], and yielding all obedience and submission to him with the whole man[20], being careful in all things to please him[21], and sorrowful when in anything he is offended[22], and walking humbly with him.[23]

1. 1 Chronicles 28:9; Deuteronomy 26:17; Isaiah 43:10; Jerimiah 14:22,
2. Psalm 29:2; 95:6-7; Matthew 4:10, 3. Malachi 3:16, 4. Psalm 63:6, 5. Ecclesiastes 12:1,
6. Psalm 71:19, 7. Malachi 1:6, 8. Isaiah 45:23, 9. Joshua 24:15, 22, 10. Deuteronomy 6:5,
11. Psalm 73:25, 12. Isaiah 8:13, 13. Exodus 14:31, 14. Isaiah 26:4, 15. Psalm 130:7,
16. Psalm 37:4, 17. Psalm 32:11, 18. Romans 12:11; Numbers 25:11, 19. Philippians 4:6,
20. Jerimiah 7:28; James 4:7, 21. 1 John 3:22, 22. Jerimiah 31:18; Psalm 119:136, 23. Micah 6:8

Micah 6;8 tells us God REQUIRES us to be just to others (which in Calvinism even God isn’t just), to love mercy towards others (which in Calvinism even God is not) and to walk humbly with God. No living for you and Him alone.

 

[Fastfredy0]

Micah 6;8 tells us God REQUIRES us to be just to others (which in Calvinism even God isn’t just), to love mercy towards others (which in Calvinism even God is not) and to walk humbly with God. No living for you and Him alone.

False statements. Not worthy of a response.

LOL... you're out to get me ...LOL ... .my little shadow.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

False statements. Not worthy of a response.

LOL... you're out to get me ...LOL ... .my little shadow.

Im the sunshine bringing light. But you HAVE no answer, which is perfectly understandable. Shall I lay out the injustice of God in your view who is choosing some for hell before birth? Shall I quote some Calvinists who insist there is no forgiveness nor mercy for some chosen before birth? I can quote Calvinist doctrine that establishes those positions.

 

[Fastfredy0]

Im the sunshine bringing light.

You do have a nice smile.

Shall I lay out the injustice of God in your view

Go for it. I often do not know my view point, so I will make notes and learn what it is that I think.

Shall I quote some Calvinists who insist there is no forgiveness nor mercy for some chosen before birth?

Probably best to quote the bible. But it's a free country.

I can quote Calvinist doctrine that establishes those positions.

Given your methodology to form arguments, I am sure you can. *giggle*

 

[Dorothy Mae]

You do have a nice smile.


Go for it. I often do not know my view point, so I will make notes and learn what it is that I think.

No point as you’ll just giggle.

Probably best to quote the bible. But it's a free country.

There’s no presenting Calvinism AND quoting the Bible for the honest man. They are mutually exclusive.

Given your methodology to form arguments, I am sure you can. *giggle*

Jude 1:9-10

Back to the OP…

 

[Fastfredy0]

No point as you’ll just giggle.

Making me giggle is beneficial. It releases endorphins.

There’s no presenting Calvinism AND quoting the Bible for the honest man. They are mutually exclusive

Let's test your belief.
Premise 1:

There’s no presenting Calvinism AND quoting the Bible. They are mutually exclusive

Premise 2: The Lord our God is but one only living and true God (1689 London Baptist Confession of Faith)
Conclusion: The bible does not believe there is only one living and true God

Premise 1:

There’s no presenting Calvinism AND quoting the Bible. They are mutually exclusive

Premise 2: hating all sin (1689 London Baptist Confession of Faith)
Conclusion: The bible does not believe God hates all sin

I think you get the point. Your premise is wrong. *sigh* ... this is too easy, you can do better

 

[jasonc]

We would do well to heed that part to be a vessel of Glory for God .

In this age the church is going towards God is there to help man be glorified .man versus God centered theology .

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Making me giggle is beneficial. It releases endorphins.

That’s all that matters, that you get a physical pleasure at the expense of the honor of others?

Let's test your belief.
Premise 1:

Premise 2: The Lord our God is but one only living and true God (1689 London Baptist Confession of Faith)
Conclusion: The bible does not believe there is only one living and true God

There is no logical connection there. It’s like

Premise 1: Ripe bananas are yellow

Premise 2: Trains travel faster than bicycles.

Premise 1:

Premise 2: hating all sin (1689 London Baptist Confession of Faith)
Conclusion: The bible does not believe God hates all sin

I think you get the point. Your premise is wrong. *sigh* ... this is too easy, you can do better

There is a deep logical gap in your statements. But I got a new handle, if you call us Pelagians (any degree), then you are libel to be called a manichean whose teachings from Augustine you follow. Or a Gnostic whose free will teachings you believe.

 

[Highway54]

Ecclesiastes 12:13
13 But listen, for this is the end of the matter: Fear God and keep His Commandments… this is all there is for a man!

Someone recently shared with me their opinion on this matter and I found it extremely deep and thought provoking. That person told me that they felt that this life is given to us so that we can experience what it is like to live in a world that is in the clutches of sin, ruled by powers and principalities that do not respect the true God.

I thought the above statement was no more than pie in the sky talk until the person pointed out that Jesus died so that EVERYONE could be resurrected to life.



Here's where I'm going with this. We know the Bible says in Hebrews that "It is appointed man once to die, and after that a judgment." Could that judgment be what we pass on ourselves by the way we live AFTER being resurrected? This question assumes that all people that are NOT a part of the 144,000 (the first fruits, those who have their part in the first resurrection) will be resurrected into a world not ruled by rebel spirits and into a world where the following is happenning: Revelation 20:1



This would mean that ALL MEN are free to choose to life as they see fit whether it be in service to God or in service to self. Those who choose God will be gifted with eternal life while those who choose self will be the ones who eventually get misled by the released Slanderer and will have their place in the "lake of fire," (the 2nd death, not Hell) from which there will be no resurrection. Just a thought.

I think you did great in

Ecclesiastes 12:13
13 But listen, for this is the end of the matter: Fear God and keep His Commandments… this is all there is for a man!

Someone recently shared with me their opinion on this matter and I found it extremely deep and thought provoking. That person told me that they felt that this life is given to us so that we can experience what it is like to live in a world that is in the clutches of sin, ruled by powers and principalities that do not respect the true God.

I thought the above statement was no more than pie in the sky talk until the person pointed out that Jesus died so that EVERYONE could be resurrected to life.



Here's where I'm going with this. We know the Bible says in Hebrews that "It is appointed man once to die, and after that a judgment." Could that judgment be what we pass on ourselves by the way we live AFTER being resurrected? This question assumes that all people that are NOT a part of the 144,000 (the first fruits, those who have their part in the first resurrection) will be resurrected into a world not ruled by rebel spirits and into a world where the following is happenning: Revelation 20:1



This would mean that ALL MEN are free to choose to life as they see fit whether it be in service to God or in service to self. Those who choose God will be gifted with eternal life while those who choose self will be the ones who eventually get misled by the released Slanderer and will have their place in the "lake of fire," (the 2nd death, not Hell) from which there will be no resurrection. Just a thought.

You definitely nailed it by quoting Ecc 12:13, but God's purpose was stated to Adam, be fruitful and fill the earth. That was His original purpose, and will come about. Solomon's words there came about because of Adam's sin. The next bib step in fulfilling His purpose will be when He sends His son and the powerful angels to remove the wicked from the earth. 2 Thes 1:6-9

 

[Fastfredy0]

if you call us Pelagians

Technically, you are a semi-pelagian. Pelagians believe man doesn't have original sin and man's free will can stop him from sinning in this life. Semi-pelagians believe in partial free-will .... they have original sin and will sin in this life. They believe they come to God via their free will and then they turn off some of their free will as the Spirit guides them.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Technically, you are a semi-pelagian. Pelagians believe man doesn't have original sin and man's free will can stop him from sinning in this life. Semi-pelagians believe in partial free-will .... they have original sin and will sin in this life. They believe they come to God via their free will and then they turn off some of their free will as the Spirit guides them.

No, that is no more true than anyone who believes in the virgin birth is a Catholic. You cannot base a whole belief system on one agreement. But then technically you are a Gnostic for they believed as you do in the matter of free will. Or we could call you a Manichean.

But in any case, what you describe is NOT what I believe nor close to it.

 

[n2thelight]

Calvinism pure and hence, cruel beyond anything else.