What Is Wrong With The NIV Bible ?

[Fembot]

Lewis, does the article mention that the NIV always makes a footnote at the bottom of the page if it had reason to leave something out. We who read the NIV don't miss anything.

Why should I read a footnote instead of literal translations of the original words?

 

[Fembot]

There are plenty of things wrong with the niv. One of the most obvious is that it is published and copyrighted by a pornographer who also owns the copyrights to and publishes the satanic bible.


The KJ Authorized Bible has several verses dealing with this matter alone, and it was published first. I think I will stick with the Bible published by men of faith who held regard for the commandments of our Lord. That way I can be sure that I am getting every Word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God without worry.

Is this true?!

 

[Free]

There are plenty of things wrong with the niv. One of the most obvious is that it is published and copyrighted by a pornographer who also owns the copyrights to and publishes the satanic bible.


The KJ Authorized Bible has several verses dealing with this matter alone, and it was published first. I think I will stick with the Bible published by men of faith who held regard for the commandments of our Lord. That way I can be sure that I am getting every Word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God without worry.

Is this true?!

As far as I can tell, no. The International Bible Society has the rights to the NIV; Zondervan has the rights to the NIV Study Bible they came up with. Zondervan publishes both the NIV and KJV.

 

[Aero_Hudson]

Lewis, does the article mention that the NIV always makes a footnote at the bottom of the page if it had reason to leave something out. We who read the NIV don't miss anything.

Why should I read a footnote instead of literal translations of the original words?

It is the question of authenticity balanced with readability. The link below does a pretty good job of laying this our visually on how some versions are placed on this balanced scale. Check it out.

http://www.biblica.com/bibles/translations/

 

[JoJo]

That is fallacious and isn't at all necessarily true. I'll use the same argument to show that the KJV tries to remove a reference to the deity of Jesus:

Joh 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. (KJV)

Joh 1:18 No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father's side, has made him known. (NIV)

You'll notice how the NIV states unequivocally that Jesus is God whereas the KJV refers to him only as the Son.

The fallacy is that KJVOists assume that the NIV (and others) have removed references but ignore the fact that they may not have been there to begin with--the KJV could just as easily have added references.

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Does Zondervan itself publish the Satanic Bible? Didn't think so. End of fallacious argument. Two additional things worth noting: 1) Joseph Smith, founder of Mormonism, had his own KJ translation. So the argument that the NWT comes from the the same manuscripts as the NIV is also fallacious (it is anyway); 2) Zondervan also publishes the KJV:

http://www.zondervan.com/Cultures/e...KING+JAMES+VERSION"&QueryStringSite=Zondervan

Good points. Thanks, Free.

Lewis, does the article mention that the NIV always makes a footnote at the bottom of the page if it had reason to leave something out. We who read the NIV don't miss anything.

Why should I read a footnote instead of literal translations of the original words?

A footnote would be a poor substitute for something if it was taken out without reason. But from what I understand, the NIV doesn't just take stuff out. They might leave something out if there was question about it being in the original manuscripts. If that happens, then they make a footnote including the text.

I've posted links to the NIV preface several times on this forum, but it's worth a read here:

http://www.christianbook.com/Christian/ ... 3542|57355

There is one thing I don't like: Zondervan's copyright policies on the NIV. I think they should waive their copyrights when it comes to the Bible which is God's Word.

 

[Armor of God]

Lewis, does the article mention that the NIV always makes a footnote at the bottom of the page if it had reason to leave something out. We who read the NIV don't miss anything.

Why should I read a footnote instead of literal translations of the original words?

It is the question of authenticity balanced with readability. The link below does a pretty good job of laying this our visually on how some versions are placed on this balanced scale. Check it out.

http://www.biblica.com/bibles/translations/

We agree two times in one day? It's a miracle.

Aero is right (gosh, I can't believe I just wrote that ) The NIV is a good balance between a literal and dynamic equivalence translation that is very readable in modern English. You can split hairs over what is a "correct" translation on a case-by-case word basis and point to some specific examples but nowhere can you fault NIV for the misinterpretation of critical doctrine (or even minor doctrine, I would argue).

Now I prefer more literal word-for-word translations (NASB and NKJV) because I feel they offer a bit more originality and rely less on footnotes to expound on specific translations. The readability can be a bit more difficult and choppy in places but I think overall it's minor.

These translation arguments will go on until the end of time. The bottom line is if some people spent as much time reading ANY translation as they do arguing over what is correct, they would be true scholars indeed.

 

[Fembot]

Lewis, does the article mention that the NIV always makes a footnote at the bottom of the page if it had reason to leave something out. We who read the NIV don't miss anything.

Why should I read a footnote instead of literal translations of the original words?

It is the question of authenticity balanced with readability. The link below does a pretty good job of laying this our visually on how some versions are placed on this balanced scale. Check it out.

http://www.biblica.com/bibles/translations/

Thanks

 

[Aero_Hudson]

We agree two times in one day? It's a miracle.

Aero is right (gosh, I can't believe I just wrote that )

Can I get an AMEN!

 

[JoJo]

 

[Armor of God]

There is one thing I don't like: Zondervan's copyright policies on the NIV. I think they should waive their copyrights when it comes to the Bible which is God's Word.

I don't agree at all. There are many (dozens) of public domain versions of the bible available that are not copyrighted or have expired copyrights. A copyrighted version such as the NIV isn't the only game in town and nobody is forcing you to buy it.

Hundreds of thousands of man hours are spent making a translation by scholars (many of which spent a lot of money to earn a PhD) and deserve to be compensated for their long hours work. Unless a work is copyrighted, there is no way to recoup that investment.

Plus, servants of God, which I certainly consider bible scholars to be part of, should be paid as mandated in scripture (1 Corinthians 9:14, 1 Timothy 5:17).

 

[JudaicChristian]

Lewis, does the article mention that the NIV always makes a footnote at the bottom of the page if it had reason to leave something out. We who read the NIV don't miss anything.

Why should I read a footnote instead of literal translations of the original words?

The KJV is full of errors also, that is why we must take all things into consideration. If you do not trouble yourself to know the difference, then you will remain in darkness. It's a burden, but necessary in knowing the truth.

 

[Twisted Hawk]

I see the site you posted. Sorry, but that is not a creditable source for me. For everyone out there, read this document. Do you agree that you can live anyway you want to when your saved?

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Testimonies/no_works.htm

 

[JoJo]

Do you agree that you can live anyway you want to when your saved?

Of course not. As Christians we are called to turn from sin. But I think this is off-topic.

 

[Lewis]

THREE HUGE DEADLY ERRORS IN THE NIV

In calling something deadly I mean that it can certainly cause one to loose their soul. The NIV has three errors that so easily reach this point.


* NIV Psalms 51:5 "Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me."
Biblical reasons this is wrong:
1. Sin is breaking God’s Law I John 3:4
2. Sin is not passed on Ezekiel 18:20
3. You are pure until you sin Ezekiel 28:15
4. Man causes himself to be a sinner Ecclesiastes 7:29 “Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions.â€
5. Sin has do be done by someone realizing right and wrong James 4:17 “Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.â€
6. Can a baby sin? God says that we are to become as these little children not little sinners Matthew 18:3.
7. Out of this doctrine comes infant baptism.
a. Out of nine conversion examples in the book of Acts not one time was a baby converted (Acts 2:36-41, Acts 8:5-13, Acts 8:26-39, Acts 9:1-20, Acts 10:44-48, Acts 16:13-15, Acts 16:23-34, Acts 18:8, and Acts 19:1-7).
b. Can a baby believe in God? You cannot separate belief from baptism (Mark 16:15-16). NIV Romans 10:10 "For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved."
*
Biblical reasons this is wrong:
If confession was enough why did the Eunuch not stop at that (Acts 8:37)? [If you are using the NIV you will have to look at another version to read Acts 8:37, the NIV has taken it out. Again, see # 7 a above. NIV John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."
*
1. If one is saved by faith alone explain why there are no examples of this post Calvary. (See point 7 a above for how many examples of baptism there are)
2. Jesus said faith and baptism not faith alone Mark 16:15-16.
3. Jesus stated (John 3:5) "Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."
4. Read James 1:19. If we are saved by faith alone why did Jesus condemn the devil and his angels to hell (Matthew 25:41)?
5. Read James 2:19-26 and explain how God says we are NOT saved by faith alone and why the NIV contradicts itself here with John 3:16?


THE NIV TAKES AWAY FROM WHO CHRIST IS

TAKES AWAY “…GOD WAS MANIFEST IN THE FLESH…â€
NIV 1 Timothy 3:16 "Beyond all question, the mystery of godliness is great: He appeared in a body, was vindicated by the Spirit, was seen by angels, was preached among the nations, was believed on in the world, was taken up in glory."

THE NIV MAKES CHRIST UNEQUAL WITH GOD
NIV Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped"

JOSEPH WAS NOT CHRIST FATHER (See JOHN 3:16)
NIV Luke 2:33 "The child's father and mother marveled at what was said about him."

NIV Luke 2:43 "After the Feast was over, while his parents were returning home, the boy Jesus stayed behind in Jerusalem, but they were unaware of it."

ONE AND ONLY???? (SEE LUKE 3:38, JOB 1:6, PHILIPPIANS 2:15 AND I JOHN 3:2 IN THE KJV)
NIV John 1:14 "The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth."

ONE AND ONLY????
NIV John 1:18 "No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father's side, has made him known."

ONE AND ONLY AS WELL AS FAITH ALONE?????????
NIV John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."
(SEE JAMES 2:19-26)

THE NIV TAKES AWAY FROM SOME OF THOSE THAT WORSHIPPED CHRIST (Compare the following with the KJV or NKJV and see that the word worship is removed).
NIV Matthew 8:2 "A man with leprosy came and knelt before him and said, "Lord, if you are willing, you can make me clean."

NIV Matthew 9:18 "While he was saying this, a ruler came and knelt before him and said, "My daughter has just died. But come and put your hand on her, and she will live."

NIV Matthew 15:25 "The woman came and knelt before him. "Lord, help me!" she said."

NIV Matthew 18:26 "The servant fell on his knees before him. `Be patient with me,' he begged, `and I will pay back everything."

NIV Matthew 20:20 "Then the mother of Zebedee's sons came to Jesus with her sons and, kneeling down, asked a favor of him."

NIV Mark 5:6 "When he saw Jesus from a distance, he ran and fell on his knees in front of him."

NIV Mark 15:19 "Again and again they struck him on the head with a staff and spit on him. Falling on their knees, they paid homage to him."

WHY DOES THE NIV NOT WANT CHRIST WORSHIPED?
Luke 4:6-8 "And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it. If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve."

THE NIV VIOLATES ADDING AND TAKING FROM THE WORD TERRIBLY!

See: Deuteronomy 4:2, Proverbs 30:6, and Revelations 22:18-19 KJV
Think about this passages as you see how much the NIV takes away Luke 8:12 "Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved."

(Notice the numbering...)

NIV Matthew 18:10-12
10. "See that you do not look down on one of these little ones. For I tell you that their angels in heaven always see the face of my Father in heaven.
12. "What do you think? If a man owns a hundred sheep, and one of them wanders away, will he not leave the ninety-nine on the hills and go to look for the one that wandered off?

NIV Acts 8:36-38
36. As they traveled along the road, they came to some water and the eunuch said, "Look, here is water. Why shouldn't I be baptized?"
38. And he gave orders to stop the chariot. Then both Philip and the eunuch went down into the water and Philip baptized him.

NIV Matthew 17:20-22
20. He replied, "Because you have so little faith. I tell you the truth, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, `Move from here to there' and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you. "
22. When they came together in Galilee, he said to them, "The Son of Man is going to be betrayed into the hands of men.

NIV Matthew 18:10-12
10. "See that you do not look down on one of these little ones. For I tell you that their angels in heaven always see the face of my Father in heaven.
12. "What do you think? If a man owns a hundred sheep, and one of them wanders away, will he not leave the ninety-nine on the hills and go to look for the one that wandered off?

NIV Matthew 23:13-15
13. "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men's faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.
15. "Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as you are.

NIV Mark 7:15-17
15. Nothing outside a man can make him `unclean' by going into him. Rather, it is what comes out of a man that makes him `unclean.' "
17. After he had left the crowd and entered the house, his disciples asked him about this parable.

NIV Mark 9:43-47
43. If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go into hell, where the fire never goes out.
45. And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than to have two feet and be thrown into hell.
47. And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell,

NIV Mark 11:25-27
25. And when you stand praying, if you hold anything against anyone, forgive him, so that your Father in heaven may forgive you your sins. "
27. They arrived again in Jerusalem, and while Jesus was walking in the temple courts, the chief priests, the teachers of the law and the elders came to him.

NIV Mark 15:27-29
27. They crucified two robbers with him, one on his right and one on his left.
29. Those who passed by hurled insults at him, shaking their heads and saying, "So! You who are going to destroy the temple and build it in three days,

NIV Mark 16:9
9. [[The most reliable early manuscripts and other ancient witnesses do not have Mark 16:9-20.]]

NIV Luke 17:35-37
35. Two women will be grinding grain together; one will be taken and the other left. "
37. "Where, Lord?" they asked. He replied, "Where there is a dead body, there the vultures will gather."

NIV Luke 23:16-18
16. Therefore, I will punish him and then release him. "
18. With one voice they cried out, "Away with this man! Release Barabbas to us!"

NIV John 5:3-5
3. Here a great number of disabled people used to lie--the blind, the lame, the paralyzed.
5. One who was there had been an invalid for thirty-eight years.

NIV Acts 8:36-38
36. As they traveled along the road, they came to some water and the eunuch said, "Look, here is water. Why shouldn't I be baptized?"
38. And he gave orders to stop the chariot. Then both Philip and the eunuch went down into the water and Philip baptized him.

NIV Acts 15:33-35
33. After spending some time there, they were sent off by the brothers with the blessing of peace to return to those who had sent them.
35. But Paul and Barnabas remained in Antioch, where they and many others taught and preached the word of the Lord.

NIV Acts 24:6-8
6. and even tried to desecrate the temple; so we seized him.
8. By examining him yourself you will be able to learn the truth about all these charges we are bringing against him."

NIV Acts 28:28-30
28. "Therefore I want you to know that God's salvation has been sent to the Gentiles, and they will listen!"
30. For two whole years Paul stayed there in his own rented house and welcomed all who came to see him.

NIV Romans 16:23-25
23. Gaius, whose hospitality I and the whole church here enjoy, sends you his greetings. Erastus, who is the city's director of public works, and our brother Quartus send you their greetings.
25. Now to him who is able to establish you by my gospel and the proclamation of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery hidden for long ages past,

NIV John 7:52
[[The earliest and most reliable manuscripts and other ancient witnesses do not have John 7:53-8:11.]]

THERE GOES THE THREE THAT BEAR RECORD IN HEAVEN
NIV 1 John 5:7
7. For there are three that testify:

PURE CONTRADICTION AND IGNORANCE
(The following quoted material is from another other of an unknown name)

“COLOSSIANS 1:14: The KJB reads, "In whom we have redemption THROUGH HIS BLOOD, even the forgiveness of sins:" The NIV reads, "In whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins."
The NIV rips out the precious words "THROUGH HIS BLOOD"! Friend, redemption is ONLY "THROUGH HIS BLOOD". Hebrews 9:22, reads, ". . . without shedding of BLOOD is no remission." That old song says, "What can wash away my sins, NOTHING BUT THE BLOOD OF JESUS!"

The NIV perverts Mark 1:2,3 into a LIE! The NIV reads "It is written in Isaiah the prophet: I will send my messenger ahead of you, who will prepare your way-a voice of one calling in the desert, Prepare the way for the Lord, make straight paths for him." It is NOT written in Isaiah! "I will send my messenger ahead of you, who will prepare your way" - is found in Malachi 3:1! The King James correctly reads: "As it is written in the PROPHETS, . . ." A better translation! Easier to read - BY A LIE!
Psalms 119:160 says, "Thy word is TRUE. . ." John 17:17 says, ". . . thy word is TRUTH." Titus 1:2 clearly says, ". . . God that CANNOT LIE" How could the God of Titus 1:2 be the God of Mark 1:2,3 in the NIV!? IT IS IMPOSSIBLE! For Hebrews 6:18 clearly declares, ". . . it was IMPOSSIBLE for God to LIE" It is impossible for the LIES in the NIV to be the words of GOD! Whose words are they? I'll give you a hint - Jesus Christ calls him "A LIAR, and the father of it" in John 8:44!
The NIV again openly LIES in 2 Samuel 21:19, ". . . Elhanan son of Jaare-Oregim the Bethlehemite killed Goliath the Gittite, who had a spear with a shaft like a weaver's rod." What 8-year-old doesn't know that David killed Goliath?
Romans 1:18-32 describes the "path to perversion" and verse 25, describes their decline, "Who changed the TRUTH of God into a LIE. . ."! Not surprisingly, The NIV perverts Romans 1:25 from "CHANGED the truth of God INTO a lie" to "EXCHANGED the truth of God FOR a lie"!

Don't look for the "mercyseat" in the NIV - GONE!
Don't look for "Jehovah" in the NIV - GONE!
Don't look for the "Godhead" in the NIV - GONE!
The NIV removes wonderful Bible "terms" like remission, regeneration, impute, propitiation, new testament and many others!

 

[Lewis]

Here's a small (very small) sampling of words removed in the NIV!
Matt. 6:13, "For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen."
Matt. 15:8, "This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth"
Matt. 19:9, "and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery."
Matt. 20:7, "and whatsoever is right, that shall ye receive."
Matt. 20:16, "for many be called, but few chosen."
Matt. 20:22, "and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with"
Matt. 25:13, "wherein the Son of Man cometh."
Matt. 27:35, "that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet They parted my garments among them and upon my vesture did they cast lots"
Mark 6:11, "Verily I say unto you, it shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city."
Mark 10:21, "take up the cross."
Luke 1:28, "blessed art thou among women"
Luke 4:4, "but by every word of God"
Luke 4:8, "get thee behind me Satan"
Luke 4:18, "he hath sent me to heal the broken hearted"
Luke 11:2-4, "Our ... which art in ... Thy will be done, as in heaven so in earth... but deliver us from evil"
John 1:27, "is preferred before me"
John 3:13, "which is in heaven"
John 3:15, "should not perish"
John 11:41, "from the place where the dead was laid"
John 16:16, "because I go to the Father"
Acts 10:6, "he shall tell thee what thou oughtest to do"
Acts 15:18, "Known unto God are all his works"
Acts 20:24, "But none of these things move me"
Acts 23:9, "let us not fight against God"
Rom. 8:1, "who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit"
Rom. 13:9, "Thou shalt not bear false witness"
I Cor. 6:20, "and in your spirit which are God's"
I Cor. 11:24; "Take eat... broken"
II Cor. 10:4, "but mighty through God"
Gal. 3:1, "that you should not obey the truth"
Eph. 5:30, "of his flesh, and of his bones"
Phil. 3:16, "let us mind the same thing"
I Tim. 6:5, "from such wthdraw thyself"
Heb. 7:21, "after the order of Melchisedec"
I Pet. 1:22, "through the Spirit"
I Pet. 4:14, "on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified"
I John 4:3, "Christ is come in the flesh"
I John 5:13, "and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God"
Rev. 1:11, "I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last"
Rev. 5:14, "him that liveth for ever and ever"
Rev. 14:5, "before the throne of God"
Rev. 21:24, "of them which are saved"
Jesus Christ says, in Luke 4:4, ". . . It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by EVERY WORD of God." But not according to the NIV! In fact, the NIV even "TAKETH AWAY" the last half of Luke 4:4 - "BUT BY EVERY WORD OF GOD"! And Jesus Christ was quoting Deuteronomy 8:3 to Satan! Does the NIV PERversion seriously think the Lord Jesus Christ does NOT know Duet. 8:3??? “

Many other things can be said to discourage the use of the NIV. There are many Scholars’ that could point out errors as well. This work above shows how you can find many things with such little work!

If you are using the NIV consider destroying it or using it for purposes other than teaching and bible study unless you are using it as a tenth or eleventh selection choice in personal studies. Be honest with the above information!

 

[Free]

Here's a small (very small) sampling of words removed in the NIV!

Of course, as has been pointed out already, the error in these posts is the presumption that it is the NIV that has removed words rather than the KJV that has added words. It is all rather circular.

 

[Menno]

Can we have a warning when a long post is coming? Or perhaps just provide a link rather than cutting and pasting the whole thing.

I suspect the Enemy is laughing right now - rather than actually reading the Word of God and allowing the Holy Spirit to use the Words, he has people reading pages from the Bible attempting to tear each other down.

 

[jasoncran]

aint that the truth.

 

[Free]

Can we have a warning when a long post is coming? Or perhaps just provide a link rather than cutting and pasting the whole thing.

Which raises an good point: just where did you get those last two posts from Lewis? lol

[Edited to add]:

At least some of it was found here: http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Bible/niv_exposed.htm

Man, those sites make me embarrassed to call myself a Christian.

 

[Lewis]

Sorry I forgot to post where I got that from http://www.wordsoftruth.net/NIV2002.htm And yes that post was to long, and where is your proof that I am wrong, the NIV is corrupt, and that is all there is to it, the only offended is the ones who use it. Are you all ready to kill me yet ? Will I be stoned or blind folded and shot to death, or thrown on the rack ?