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You don't speak dog? No wonder he wont obey you, lol. Dogs speak very efficiently. Mostly body language so you gotta know what to look for.

For example, one time I was sitting there watching tv and my dog comes up to me and sets his empty food bowl in my lap. What did he just say?! I heard him clearly. He said Feed Me. So I did. So look out for that dog bowl. :hysterical
I remember Sam. I taught him lots of stuff, he used to get tired of it because I would make him think too much and he was just a dog. But one day I told him about money. "With money you can buy things. If you have enuff money you can go to the man and give him the money and he'll give you the bone." He liked that idea, and of course he had already got the concept, I said "you want to see some money?" He said yeah, quite excited because money must be pretty special if the man would give away bones for it, and I showed him some coins from my pocket. He sniffed it in disgust "that's it? Money?".. carried on sniffing the ground. They're so real, not bogged down by any of the silly human rules and customs. If a Pooh smells nice, they sniff it. They know no shame, completely naked and always circumcised of heart.
 

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I'd say that's a pretty thin blanket statement. Though many behave as if they have no conscience is true, I couldn't say that "we" as in the people in totality behave with no conscience.

The mark of sin is a seared conscience (think cauterized), but I don't think anyone actually ever loses their conscience. Scripture has a lot to say about our conscience.

1 Timothy 4:1-4
Now the Spirit [a]expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons,
2 speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron,
3 forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.
4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be refused if it is received with thanksgiving; 5 for it is [b]sanctified by the word of God and prayer.../

I wouldn't for this reason. Edmund Burke said all we need do for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing. My version is for evil to triumph all we need is for good men to say nothing.

We are all complicit in abortion if we know it is happening and we say or do nothing. If everyone who knew about it and was against it and said or did something I can guarantee there would be a lot more babies born.

The fact that there are more young people against abortion than for it now is due to the fact that some good men said or did something.
 

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It's really sad to hear all of that. I get along much nicer with animals and they know that it's not ok to do that stuff when I'm around. Of course in absence of the ruler, they are simply flesh and easily taken captive by the lusts thereof... But the same goes for all flesh, whether humanoid or others. Relatively speaking, animals remain innocent in my view because of their submissiveness, obedience, humbleness - qualities innate to children also, that only as sin takes hold does it dare to defy reason.
a snakes venom ,how do you suggest to teach the moccassin to simply kill a rabbit to where it feels no pain .

God made him like that ,same with the constrictors ,they suffocate their prey ,death by immense pressure to stop breathing ,that's painful.
 

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I wouldn't for this reason. Edmund Burke said all we need do for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing. My version is for evil to triumph all we need is for good men to say nothing.

We are all complicit in abortion if we know it is happening and we say or do nothing. If everyone who knew about it and was against it and said or did something I can guarantee there would be a lot more babies born.

The fact that there are more young people against abortion than for it now is due to the fact that some good men said or did something.
It's the attitude rather than the words. The words only vocalize the attitude, but it is the attitude of the people that establishes the boundaries of tolerance and even more fundamentally, the influence upon the impressionable.
 

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a snakes venom ,how do you suggest to teach the moccassin to simply kill a rabbit to where it feels no pain .

God made him like that ,same with the constrictors ,they suffocate their prey ,death by immense pressure to stop breathing ,that's painful.
Is it immoral?
 

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Is it immoral?
no different then wild animals killing their young ,

plenty of animals do that . and no I'm not negating the bible but legally and biblically animals are property .other wise. meat would be a sin and work animals
 

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no different then wild animals killing their young ,

plenty of animals do that . and no I'm not negating the bible but legally and biblically animals are property .other wise. meat would be a sin and work animals
What gives a human the right to eat a rabbit if you say that a snake doesn't have the same right?
 

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What gives a human the right to eat a rabbit if you say that a snake doesn't have the same right?
I didn't say that ,you did by the implication that humans should stop the killer whale from naturally eating the seal he normally does .

the documentary wasn't in a zoo but in,the wild off the coast of Washington state .
 

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I didn't say that ,you did by the implication that humans should stop the killer whale from naturally eating the seal he normally does .
You're not being honest in this conversation. We were talking about snakes and rabbits, not whales.
 

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You're not being honest in this conversation. We were talking about snakes and rabbits, not whales.
I am ,an animal is animal .

a whale is a mammal ,you,compare morality of a dog to ours ,we are morally accountable by God to know your beast .

your words .

a whale has been tamed ,people keep or have kept these as pets unless it became unlawful
bears ,gators,crocodiles ,all manner of snakes ,birds .ostrich ,emu ,camel ,fish .



you can't just assume that it was a common household pet when context says the whole garden and creation was given to Adam and all beasts were named by him.

i can post local and state tourist traps having these doing tricks . im not talking just sea world ,or Miami sea aquarium.

the long gone Miami,serpenterium is how the world got anti venom for most snakes . live animals are fed to those snakes .
 

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I am ,an animal is animal .

a whale is a mammal ,you,compare morality of a dog to ours ,we are morally accountable by God to know your beast .

your words .

a whale has been tamed ,people keep or have kept these as pets unless it became unlawful
bears ,gators,crocodiles ,all manner of snakes ,birds .ostrich ,emu ,camel ,fish .



you can't just assume that it was a common household pet when context says the whole garden and creation was given to Adam and all beasts were named by him.

i can post local and state tourist traps having these doing tricks . im not talking just sea world ,or Miami sea aquarium.

the long gone Miami,serpenterium is how the world got anti venom for most snakes . live animals are fed to those snakes .
Why do you not just answer the question?
 

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Why do you not just answer the question?
I,have ,its not a sin for animal to kill what God allows ,he cursed creation.

would God judge the lion who spared daniel but slew the men who conspired against him.?

animals do eat us ,not common but it happens ,a dog will ,I can post stories of feral dogs mauling children to death and eating .

is that any different the. the wolf who hunts and kills its prey ?
 

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I,have ,its not a sin for animal to kill what God allows ,he cursed creation.
There, now you've come around.

You said animals are given biblically as property for food and labour. Is it sin for humans to kill an animal without cause?
 

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would God judge the lion who spared daniel but slew the men who conspired against him.?
Daniel 6:23 shows that the lion's mouths were shut toward Daniel "because he was innocent", and accordingly "I will curse those who curse you", the effect of justice came in for Daniel, because that is the covenant God entered into with his people.
I can post stories of feral dogs mauling children to death and eating .

is that any different the. the wolf who hunts and kills its prey ?
It's the same, it's the absence of regard for human life. They have not learned to respect the human as the image of God, just as my cats didn't learn to respect birds while left to go wild.
 

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What gives a human the right to eat a rabbit if you say that a snake doesn't have the same right?

Because animals were put here for our food and convenience? When an animal becomes food for God's creation then it has achieved it's destiny and can rejoice.

I remember watching some guy's testimony on youtube where he was taken up to heaven for a visit and he recounted how at one point he was told to have a seat and when he did someone slid a nice prepared steak dinner in front of him and said, eat. I thought that was a remarkable revelation. I believe it too. I mean, all sorts of fruits and vegetables are very delicious but come on, there's nothing like a nice juicy steak!

 

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What makes you say that?

Because...they are. They are food, they are guards of us, they comfort us, and they're food for us. People have been eating animals for an awful long time. All those animals sacrificed to God in the OT were eaten. Usually by the priests iirc. God told them (us) which ones to eat or not eat and prescribed how. God said, don't drink the blood, pour it out upon the ground. So the entire premise is that...someone's going to eat that animal. Ok. What don't you understand about that?
 

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Because...they are. They are food, they are guards of us, they comfort us, and they're food for us. People have been eating animals for an awful long time. All those animals sacrificed to God in the OT were eaten. Usually by the priests iirc. God told them (us) which ones to eat or not eat and prescribed how. God said, don't drink the blood, pour it out upon the ground. So the entire premise is that...someone's going to eat that animal. Ok. What don't you understand about that?
It just doesn't appear in the bible that they were "put here for" to be eaten and treated as a convenience. It came later as a result of the curse of the fall and the ungodly changes to the human race.
 

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It just doesn't appear in the bible that they were "put here for" to be eaten and treated as a convenience. It came later as a result of the curse of the fall and the ungodly changes to the human race.

No, not exactly. It doesn't say that specifically but it says the Priest shall eat that meat. It's a fine precedent that we can and are expected to eat meat, preferences notwithstanding. That this passage speaks of meat sacrificed to God as a sin offering is irrelevant I think. We merely discuss if man is to eat animals, and we do.

Leviticus 6:24-26
24 Also the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, 25 “Speak to Aaron and to his sons, saying, ‘This is the law of the sin offering: In the place where the burnt offering is killed, the sin offering shall be killed before the Lord. It is most holy. 26 The priest who offers it for sin shall eat it. In a holy place it shall be eaten, in the court of the tabernacle of meeting.
24 Also the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, 25 “Speak to Aaron and to his sons, saying, ‘This is the law of the sin offering: In the place where the burnt offering is killed, the sin offering shall be killed before the Lord. It is most holy. 26 The priest who offers it for sin shall eat it. In a holy place it shall be eaten, in the court of the tabernacle of meeting.../

Another scripture, The Israelites who were wandering in the desert for 40 years began whining to God about Manna and that they wanted some meat! So God sent them a swarm of some kind of birds (pigeons or doves?) and they ate those until they became sick of it and began whining again.

God does not change, it says so. So every mention in scripture that speaks of anyone eating any meat, tells us that it is ok to eat meat. Some people do not eat meat by choice and that is perfectly ok also. Animals are not here to only look at, and they have no rights if someone gets hungry.

I did not drink a cup of the blood of the first deer (or any deer) I ever shot. (I had already read the instruction to pour out the blood). So I thanked the Deer and blessed it instead. Scripture speaks to hunters. Don't drink the blood pour it out onto the ground... Ok Lord, so what do I do with the carcass? Oh, Duh, eat it.

Am I right? I believe I am. Nevertheless, I do agree with you that eating meat certainly came after the fall of man. Man was in a glorified state before the fall and likely did not "need" food tp live. But! God knew what would happen and so He put animals here for us because He knew that we would fall and need them for food. Right?!

(Emoji eating a Steak)
(IDK why but It seems that I can't post any emojii's anymore if they are not sourced from this board. )
 

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Its a not sin to eat meat but after the restoration of things .it wont be

And the lion shall lie with the lamb ..
 
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