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what makes profane speech a sin?

Elijah674 said:
Me again: Perhaps the Commandment to not 'take the Lords Name in Vain' should be considered seperately from just the 'cuss' words of life? I see it as my before post, but with the larger addition of a Christ/less profession such as seen by Inspiration in Rev. 17:1-5. And the REQUIREMENT of Rev. 18:4 for Christ's REAL Folk to leave this stuff of satan or they are a long past lost PARTAKER! That to me is very clear.:thumbsup

--Elijah
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I'm glad you raised this particular point Elijah.

For a long time I've wondered what 'taking the Lord's name in vain' really means.

Does it simply mean saying 'O God this or that'?

Would He prefer it if we said 'O Baal this' or 'O Buddha' that?

Or does it mean something far more serious?

What do you think?
 
I've always understood it this way. "Vain" means "meaningless". Our God should be held in deep esteem, and to refer to Him in casual passing is to devalue His Name. I will always say, "Oh my gosh." rather than say His Name. I refer to Him only when I refer to Him, not in a meaningless passing.
 
Mike said:
I've always understood it this way. "Vain" means "meaningless". Our God should be held in deep esteem, and to refer to Him in casual passing is to devalue His Name. I will always say, "Oh my gosh." rather than say His Name. I refer to Him only when I refer to Him, not in a meaningless passing.
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I agree with this. I also must admit that my mouth does open ahead of my brain more than I wish. Actually, once was more than I wish but...
 
Asyncritus said:
I'm glad you raised this particular point Elijah.

For a long time I've wondered what 'taking the Lord's name in vain' really means.

Does it simply mean saying 'O God this or that'?

Would He prefer it if we said 'O Baal this' or 'O Buddha' that?

Or does it mean something far more serious?

What do you think?
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meaning that the lords name was to be taken as HOLY and not used in a light manner but in reverence. when reciting the shema in hebrew the word Heshem or adonai is used but in the actual hebrews its YHWH(yahweh). while the true pronunacation is lost forever that is close enough to the jew that they wont use that.

also commonly used is the G-D.
 
Asyncritus said:
I'm glad you raised this particular point Elijah.

For a long time I've wondered what 'taking the Lord's name in vain' really means.

Does it simply mean saying 'O God this or that'?

Would He prefer it if we said 'O Baal this' or 'O Buddha' that?

Or does it mean something far more serious?

What do you think?
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Motive is surely from ones heart which cannot be read by any person. And Holy 'Inspired' men used their own descriptive wordings to discribe Inspirational thought, as 'i' see it. Some of the words surely are not what the Lord would use, again, as I see it.

But the motive is seen as their honest testimony. Such words as are seen in Heb. 12:8 K.J. discribing one as fatherless. (it still means that, yet it is used by man today as a bad word most of the time, and is voided out of some Christian forums)

Some others are seen in the K.J. Isa. 36:12 + 2 Kings 18:27 + several more.

Some time back I had a 'mod' kindly explain in private that when I used the term of 'junk', (as a spiritual junkyard of false doctrine) that it has become as having a bad meaning. I still use the word but, with trying to put it into the full contextual meaning which 'i' mean. And I had never even heard of its todays meaning.


But as you asked, most 'seem' to rightly agree that it is what comes out of the Born Again heart that is either good or evil.


So: As I see it to answer your question, any false [Known] doctrine taught for truth is taking Gods Name in VAIN. Mark 7:7 See the End result in Heb. 6:6

--Elijah
 
jasoncran said:
meaning that the lords name was to be taken as HOLY and not used in a light manner but in reverence. when reciting the shema in hebrew the word Heshem or adonai is used but in the actual hebrews its YHWH(yahweh). while the true pronunacation is lost forever that is close enough to the jew that they wont use that.

also commonly used is the G-D.
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Interestingly enough, I once read an article by a Messianic Jew who said the sin of the Jewish people when they broke the 3rd commandment was NOT using the Lord's name. Those Israelites of old, refused to use His name, (except once a year) in that they FORGOT His Name. Which is why to this day, we don't know how God's name is actually pronounced. All we have is YHWH/YHVH, with the best Biblical scholars' research believing his name is "Yahweh" but this pronunciation is not an absolute.

I always found this argument interesting.
 
I think we fool ourselves into thinking that by replacing God's name with another word is somehow letting us off the hook. Whether I use God's name or another word in place of it doesn't matter does it? Whether we use His name, a nickname, or any other reference to Him in vain, God knows what is in our heart.
 
childeye said:
I agree with WIP. If I saw a car accident and said, Oh my God!!! This is no different than spontaneous prayer.
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I kinda think there is a difference if this just passes your lips without thinking of Him. If you are, then I think there is little difference.

I think WIP's point was the opposite; that replacing "God" with "gosh" is no better. I would say it can be. If you say it as "just a thing to say", you aren't necessarily replacing God's Name, and it's better to not say His Name in a casual, meaningless way.
 
Mike said:
I kinda think there is a difference if this just passes your lips without thinking of Him. If you are, then I think there is little difference.

I think WIP's point was the opposite; that replacing "God" with "gosh" is no better. I would say it can be. If you say it as "just a thing to say", you aren't necessarily replacing God's Name, and it's better to not say His Name in a casual, meaningless way.
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Respectfully, "Oh my God" in the instant of a traumatic event is more from the heart than from the mind. Since God is always present in me, I see no malice in such intimacy. However you may be right and I should be disagreeing with WIP. I so dislike disagreement since there is only one Truth. I always go by the second commandment to treat others as I would want to be treated and I sincerely do not think it wrong to say, "Oh my God".
 
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Mike said:
I kinda think there is a difference if this just passes your lips without thinking of Him. If you are, then I think there is little difference.

I think WIP's point was the opposite; that replacing "God" with "gosh" is no better. I would say it can be. If you say it as "just a thing to say", you aren't necessarily replacing God's Name, and it's better to not say His Name in a casual, meaningless way.
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Sorry, childeye but Mike understood what I meant. I've done it myself. I've used gosh in place of God but in my heart I was using God (both ways, e.g., His name and using Him). It was of no consequence and I am just as guilty either way.
 
The three of us disagree, and yet here we are... without wanting to knock off the other two people. That much is refreshing! :lol

I think this could be deemed a non-salvific issue.
 
WIP said:
Sorry, childeye but Mike understood what I meant. I've done it myself. I've used gosh in place of God but in my heart I was using God (both ways, e.g., His name and using Him). It was of no consequence and I am just as guilty either way.
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No need to apologize WIP, though I appreciate your concern for my feelings. It's not your fault I misunderstood you.
 
Frodo,

I think everyone else has done a great job of explaining the reason some cuss words are viewed as sinful and that being due to the angry intent. As well as touching on the abuses of God's name that are sinful. And I see you are still a bit confused and I think I may see part of the reason why. There are some words and their uses that aren't taking the Lord's name in vain and are not outward signs of anger, but they are sinful for a different reason and I don't see that these words have been properly addressed.

The list of cuss words includes many words concerning bodily functions and body parts. None of those functions or parts are sinful, in fact, some of those actions are one of the most wonderful gifts God has given us, the ability to fully give ourselves to another human being in love and cooperate with God's will to create a new soul. A marvelous, miraculous gift. However, those words tend to be used to strip this God given gift of everything loving, pure and meaningful and turn it into a base, lustful act of the flesh without meaning and devoid of love. That is a sin against God's creation. And that is why some of those words are so offensive to Christians, they take a perfectly loving act and remove God, love, and meaning from it.

So, you may not be thinking in the context of what the word means, or using it in anger and your use may not even be in the context of the act or object it refers to but others around you may interpret it differently and you ignoring the meaning may be viewed as demeaning the act and demeaning God's creation. That's why at best it is rude to use those words in public, you can't know how the use of the word will be viewed by those around you and it may be demeaning something sacred and treasured to them. If you know that you are surrounded by people that share your values or will completely understand the context and meaning of the word to you and not take offense, it may or may not be sinful to use certain words. But the root cause for the response you get goes back to what the words are referring to and how they devalue human life and acts that are gifts from God when probably ordered in life.
 
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