Whatever Happened to the Gospel Commssion ?

[Gabbylittleangel]

...Tell me...how may people do you know that have been persecuted for helping the widows.....the poor....the sick ?

More than I can count. Many of my loved ones have been sent into the presence of the Lord for helping widows, orphans, sick and injured people.

Persecution, comes from doing this:

33:8 When I say unto the wicked, O wicked [man], thou shalt surely die; if thou dost not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked [man] shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.
33:9 Nevertheless, if thou warn the wicked of his way to turn from it; if he do not turn from his way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul.
33:10 Therefore, O thou son of man, speak unto; Thus ye speak, saying, If our transgressions and our sins [be] upon us, and we pine away in them, how should we then live?
33:11 Say unto them, [As] I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die,

Persecution, always comes from trying to warn people of their danger...of living a life of sin....which is...included in the Great Gospel commision, by Jesus Christ (Matthew 28:18,19).

Look at the lives of the Prophets, in ther Biblical record.
May were killed, because they were doing what the Lord told them to do.

I was raised in the mob. Being persecuted for my faith is a lifestyle.

 

[Blazin Bones]

Revelation 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

Exodus 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
20:10 But the seventh day [is] the sabbath of the LORD thy God: [in it] thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that [is] within thy gates:
20:11 For [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is], and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

JayT, similar wording doesn't have to mean correlation of any matter. You proof passge first given does not mention a seventh day Sabbath. It is interesting to note, the difference in the new testament passage(no 7th day sabbath) and the old testament passage(7th day sabbath).

Jay, I've said this before and I'll say it again. Col. 2:16 shows Paul saying that the sabbath is no longer about the day, but about Christ. Paul himself tells the Christians in this letter that they are not to judge a man by the way he keeps the sabbath.

Anyway, this is an aside and needs to be stopped. If you want to make a separate thread elsewhere discussing the 7th day sabbath in relation to the Gospel message, you may, but that thread belongs in theology.

 

[Jay T]

JayT, similar wording doesn't have to mean correlation of any matter. You proof passge first given does not mention a seventh day Sabbath. It is interesting to note, the difference in the new testament passage(no 7th day sabbath) and the old testament passage(7th day sabbath).

Then why did Jesus tells Christians, to be careful not to break the sabbath, some years after the Cross ?

Matthew 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
[qyote]
Jay, I've said this before and I'll say it again. Col. 2:16 shows Paul saying that the sabbath is no longer about the day, but about Christ. Paul himself tells the Christians in this letter that they are not to judge a man by the way he keeps the sabbath. [/quote]
Colossians 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]:

Paul is telling Christoian NOT to allow people for judging Christians for 'keeping ' the sabbath....because Paul himself kept the 7th day sabbath.......
Acts 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,

2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body [is] of Christ.
Things to come...as in yet, a fututre event.

Anyway, this is an aside and needs to be stopped. If you want to make a separate thread elsewhere discussing the 7th day sabbath in relation to the Gospel message, you may, but that thread belongs in theology.

I wrote an article once......

Satan Sets the Rules For Christianity ?[/u]
I'm seeing more and more where Christian forums will not permit certain scriptures to be used.
Why ?
Because it might offend someone.

2 Timothy 3:16 says.........
3:16 All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness"

But, Satan has rendered this Bible verse null and void.
(Note: This is just one, of many Bible verses)

The prophets (and disciples) of God were killed because they delivered messages sent from God, to the erring.
Even Jesus Christ Himself was delivered up to the cross, to be killed by the religious leaders of his day, because Jesus used scripture verses that offended(?) those religious leaders....scripture verses that revealed their errors.
Christ's only crime was that he was trying to save them, from themselves.

I myself have been expelled from so many Christian(?) forums, I've lost count, because I've presented Bible verses that the 'religious leaders' of those forums did not want their people to know, because it revealed the errors those leaders were teaching.

And pride, in being the Leaders, would not allow them to admit that they might be wrong.

The Religious leaders of Christ's day could not admit that they were wrong, when Jesus sowed them their errors.....they decided to kill Christ for daring to show them their errors:
Galations 4:16 "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth ?"


I do realize that it is human nature to blame the messenger, instead of receiving the message in humility and honesty.

Adam and Eve placed blame immediately somewhere else other than themselves, at the time of their sin:
Adam blamed Eve.....Eve blamed the serpent(Satan)....both in reality placed blame on God !

Sin results in guilt, which in turn the sinner wants to place blame on anything, but themselves !

If a person, who claims to be a Christian, cannot stand being corrected.....they have absolutely NO HOPE of making it to heaven !


Because God says you don't know anything:

Isaiah 55:8 "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
55:9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts".

He also says that to have eternal life....'requires'...attention, to 'EVERY WORD' of God:
Matthew 4:4 " But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by [every word] that proceedeth out of the mouth of God".

To reject one Bible verse.....to reject one commandment....results in disaster.

When someone present a Bible verse to someone else...it is not the messenger, that is saying anything !
It is God speaking !

The very fact that a person get blamed for showing them a Bible verse that GOD....wants them so see, is wrong !

Had they read their Bibles....they would have already seen what God wanted them to see.

How many Christians ask God, to show them what HE wants them to see and understand from scripture....today ?

Did you, today ?

Then, Remember this:
"My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge ....because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee....that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast [forgotten the law] of thy God, I will also forget thy children".

 

[Blazin Bones]

Then why did Jesus tells Christians, to be careful not to break the sabbath, some years after the Cross ?

Matthew 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Um, correct me if I'm wrong, but when does Christ mention the seventh day sabbath, and where exactly in this passage does he Warn against breaking it...

To the Contrary, this is an apocolyptic passage in that Christ is warning the church of things to come. Jay, it may be userful to start supporting your veiw with correct passages, not ones streched to suit your theology.

Colossians 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]:

Paul is telling Christoian NOT to allow people for judging Christians for 'keeping ' the sabbath....because Paul himself kept the 7th day sabbath.......
Acts 17:2 And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,

2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body [is] of Christ.
Things to come...as in yet, a fututre event.

Again with the force fitting the passage into your theology. We don't know if that's what Paul was saying or not. Paul may or may not have kept to a seventh day Sabbath, but then again there is no indication that he is telling Christians that the sabbath was limited to the 7th day.

2:17 is in question as some translation have "are of shadow of things that were to come."

As to the rest of your post, I love how you are Jesus, and anyone who disagrees with you is a heretical pharisee. You yourself ask the leadership of sites to act in humility and accept they might be wrong but never once do you seem to act in the way you request us to? Who is the Pharisee Jay?

Jay, I have now three times asked that this thread return to ministry, but you refuse and must agrue for you theological postions. Not only do you refuse to drop the issue, but your post pasage forced into your view only by the presuposition that you are infallibly correct.

So, Jay, here's the deal. Because you are refusing to comply with the ToS, and continueing to Violate ToS #4 by suggesting we are unscriptural egotist, this thread will be locked, and you will have an offical warning.