When Do Believers Receive Power?

[ChristDependent]

When do believer receive power?

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

When we are born again.

Can we receive the Holy Spirit with power "again" with evidence of tongues?

Matthew 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:

2 Corinthians 11:1 Would to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly: and indeed bear with me. 2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. 3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

Isaiah 8:19 And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?

2 Corinthians 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. 5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them. 6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

So any believer that testify of feeling the Holy Spirit coming over them again, filling them, and giving them tongues which never comes with interpretation, THAT WAS NOT THE HOLY SPIRIT !!! 2

John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

1 Corinthians 14:
20 Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.
21 In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.
22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not:

Tongues were never meant to serve as a sign for believers, but it certainly being used as a sign for those seeking to receive the "spirit again" which is apostasy and a falling away from the faith.

Believers need to return to their first love, shun vain & profane babblings and pray normally so that they know what they had prayed for to give the Father thanks in Jesus's name for answered prayers.

1 Thessalonians 5:17 Pray without ceasing. 18 In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.....21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. 22 Abstain from all appearance of evil. 23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. 24 Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it. 25 Brethren, pray for us.

 

[stovebolts]

Paul says that when he is weak, he is strong.
You will know when you have received the power when you begin to think more of others than yourself... Just as our Lord did, even unto the cross.

 

[Hospes]

Believers need to return to their first love, shun vain & profane babblings and pray normally so that they know what they had prayed for to give the Father thanks in Jesus's name for answered prayers.

I am assuming by "vain & profane babblings" you mean the gift of the Holy Spirit as written of in the Scriptures. If so, I could never imagine attributing something God gives in such terms.

Personally, though I have never been given the gift of tongues, I desire any gift God would like to give me, including what the Apostle Paul spoke of when he wrote "Now I want you all to speak in tongues ...(1 Corinthians 14:5 ESV) and "I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you." (1 Corinthians 14:18 ESV).

When it comes to disparaging what other believers have experienced in their following God, in general I think we should desire to show love, humility, and patience more than we desire to show what we have decided is their error. (Admittedly, there are errors that must be addressed quickly, but even then it is done as an act of love.)

 

[ChristDependent]

Paul says that when he is weak, he is strong.

That reference has nothing to do about needing to receive power again and again supernaturally. It is Paul recognizing His strength in him to carry him through his ordeal.

You will know when you have received the power when you begin to think more of others than yourself... Just as our Lord did, even unto the cross.

All believers have received this power at their salvation.

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Believers think more highly of themselves than they ought to think when they promote other believers to seek this same secondary experience, thus preaching another gospel & another spirit to receive. There is no way to avoid exalting himself over other believers for having only one drink of the One Spirit when he had "two" drinks.

And strangely enough, others claim having three drinks... then another five drinks.. then pretty soon the one having one drink will say, I have heard enough. There is no other drink of the One Spirit because that other drink cannot be of Him at all.

1 Corinthians 14:32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets. 33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

Proverbs 25:26 A righteous man falling down before the wicked is as a troubled fountain, and a corrupt spring. 27 It is not good to eat much honey: so for men to search their own glory is not glory. 28 He that hath no rule over his own spirit is like a city that is broken down, and without walls.

1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

There is no way a person cannot elevate himself in the eyes of another when he claims to have another drink of the One Spirit when the other had only one drink.

 

[ChristDependent]

I am assuming by "vain & profane babblings" you mean the gift of the Holy Spirit as written of in the Scriptures. If so, I could never imagine attributing something God gives in such terms.

No. God's gift of tongues are of other men's lips to speak unto the people. God's gift of tongues is not vain and profane babblings, but the supernatural tongue that is vain & profane babblings is found in the world as existing in the world before God's gift of tongues had come at Pentecost.

Isaiah 8:19 And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?

Personally, though I have never been given the gift of tongues, I desire any gift God would like to give me, including what the Apostle Paul spoke of when he wrote "Now I want you all to speak in tongues ...(1 Corinthians 14:5 ESV) and "I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you." (1 Corinthians 14:18 ESV).

And yet that whole chapter began with exhorting believers when they seek a spiritual gift, that they were to seek the gift of prophesy over all spiritual gift, and began to compare the gift of prophesy against the gift of tongues to DEMOTE seeking tongues, but seek the gift of prophesy instead.

But we see the opposite today, and believers misapplying Paul's words to justify seeking tongues by an apostate calling of receiving the Holy Spirit "again" whose tongue NEVER comes with interpretation.

When it comes to disparaging what other believers have experienced in their following God, in general I think we should desire to show love, humility, and patience more than we desire to show what we have decided is their error. (Admittedly, there are errors that must be addressed quickly, but even then it is done as an act of love.)

Keeping the faith is the good fight. For a saved believer to receive the Holy Spirit "again" after a sign of tongues is denying Him in them by that apostasy. It does not matter if they acknowledge Him in them, it is done in hypocrisy to receive the Holy Spirit "again".

Imagine you as a new preacher at the pulpit in church, and in spite of the church acknowledging you as their preacher, they stopped the service and began looking for you all over the church and outside the church, calling for you to come. You try to tell them that you are right there at the pulpit, and they acknowledge you, but they are still seeking to receive you again. And they did as they seem to believe that they did. This bum pulled off the street began preaching in a strange tongue. It was not even a foreign language, but a babbling bum. He then goes to smack people to make them fall down. He even shakes some of them roughly and just about brought all kinds of confusion in the church, all the while, the people clap and praised God. You are standing there in the pulpit, raising an eyebrow to all of this and wondering when are they actually going to do what they say and believe you are in that pulpit so they can toss that disorderly & babbling bum out of the church so you can have some order and ministering done here by the grace of God & His help?

The Holy Spirit is in those believers that have gone astray, but the Bridegroom is waiting for the believers to return to their first love because the preacher and the indwelling Holy Spirit are still pointing the bride to go to the Bridegroom in relating to God the Father by for they had power when they were first saved.

 

[stovebolts]

That reference has nothing to do about needing to receive power again and again supernaturally. It is Paul recognizing His strength in him to carry him through his ordeal.



All believers have received this power at their salvation.

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Believers think more highly of themselves than they ought to think when they promote other believers to seek this same secondary experience, thus preaching another gospel & another spirit to receive. There is no way to avoid exalting himself over other believers for having only one drink of the One Spirit when he had "two" drinks.

And strangely enough, others claim having three drinks... then another five drinks.. then pretty soon the one having one drink will say, I have heard enough. There is no other drink of the One Spirit because that other drink cannot be of Him at all.

1 Corinthians 14:32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets. 33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

Proverbs 25:26 A righteous man falling down before the wicked is as a troubled fountain, and a corrupt spring. 27 It is not good to eat much honey: so for men to search their own glory is not glory. 28 He that hath no rule over his own spirit is like a city that is broken down, and without walls.

1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

There is no way a person cannot elevate himself in the eyes of another when he claims to have another drink of the One Spirit when the other had only one drink.

I see that you are a thinking man.. A man much like myself who is full of pride who desires to be right and prides himself with clever thoughts which bolster our esteem and thus lacks the very humility of the Savior we both claim as our Lord.
May our Lord grace you with wisdom and the spirit of unity that you may see truth wherever it may be that the whole Body be united as one functioning organism where Christ is our head.

Grace and peace be with you.

 

[Jim Parker]

When do believer receive power?
John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Immediately.
When we believe we have the power to proceed to catechisis, baptism and the Eucharist. Then we can move on to edification
"till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ; that we should no longer be children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, in the cunning craftiness of deceitful plotting, but, speaking the truth in love, may grow up in all things into Him who is the head—Christ—" (Eph 4:13-15 NKJV) and then to stay the course until we pass from this life to the next.

iakov the fool

 

[turnorburn]

Two words not found in Gods word "catechisis" & "Eucharist" where did they come from?

 

[Jim Parker]

Two words not found in Gods word "catechisis" & "Eucharist" where did they come from?

There are a lot of words not found in God's word; "Trinity", for example.
Also; Baseball, Twinkies, Blitzkrieg, Radio, Japan, Mushroom, Spoon, and many more.

 

[Malachi]

Two words not found in Gods word "catechisis" & "Eucharist" where did they come from?

Actually Eucharist is in the Bible and means "the giving of thanks" (1 Cor 11:24).
Scrivener's Textus Receptus 1894
καὶ εὐχαριστήσας [eucharistesas] ἔκλασε, καὶ εἶπε, Λάβετε, φαγετε, τοῦτό μού ἐστι τὸ σῶμα τὸ ὑπὲρ ὑμῶν κλώμενον· τοῦτο ποιεῖτε εἰς τὴν ἐμὴν ἀνάμνησιν.
King James Bible
And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.

The problem arises when the Lord's Supper is converted into the Roman Catholic Mass, which becomes a bloodless sacrifice of Christ.

 

[Malachi]

When do believer receive power?

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

That word "power" is actually "authority" (Greek exousia).
Scrivener's Textus Receptus 1894
ὅσοι δὲ ἔλαβον αὐτόν, ἔδωκεν αὐτοῖς ἐξουσίαν [exousia] τέκνα Θεοῦ γενέσθαι, τοῖς πιστεύουσιν εἰς τὸ ὄνομα αὐτοῦ· (Jn 1:12).

Believers who receive the Holy Spirit also receive the authority to be called "sons of God". The power of the Holy Spirit also resides within those who have been born again, but in order for that power to be manifested, they must be filled with (fully controlled by) the Holy Spirit. That also means that the flesh must be *mortified* (put to death).

 

[turnorburn]

There are a lot of words not found in God's word; "Trinity", for example.
Also; Baseball, Twinkies, Blitzkrieg, Radio, Japan, Mushroom, Spoon, and many more.

No, that's not what i asked... You said "When we believe we have the power to proceed to catechisis, baptism and the Eucharist." In that order.. Where did you get the idea we needed to do these things? "catechisis & Eucharist"

 

[Jim Parker]

The problem arises when the Lord's Supper is converted into the Roman Catholic Mass, which becomes a bloodless sacrifice of Christ.

Actually, it is a remembrance of His one sacrifice in the same manner as the Passover is remembered by Jews 3500 years after the event. Both events are "made present" in the remembrance.
The Eucharist has been the center and focus of Christian worship since the first century. It was not an invention of the RCC.

Ignatius of Antioch (30-107 A. D. A disciple of the apostle John and Bishop of Antioch) in his Epistle to the Smyrnaens, Ch. VII: “Let Us Stand Aloof from Such Heretics” states; “They (the heretics) abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they confess not the Eucharist to be the flesh of our Saviour Jesus Christ, which suffered for our sins,..”

He was taught by the John, the beloved disciple of Christ and, in this statement, he affirms the teaching of the apostles and Christ that the bread is Christ’s body.

Justin Martyr, the church’s first apologist, wrote in the first half of the 2nd century in his “The First Apology of Justin”, in Chapter LXVI.—Of the Eucharist. In it he reports what he was taught as a new Christian by the church. That would mean that the teaching he received was already established in the church. It is not some later innovation by the Roman church but was a part of the teaching of the apostles who taught what they learned from Jesus. It is God’s inspired teaching to the church by His Son, through the apostles to the church.

And here it is: “And this food is called among us Eujcaristiva [the Eucharist], of which no one is allowed to partake but the man who believes that the things which we teach are true, and who has been washed with the washing that is for the remission of sins, and unto regeneration, and who is so living as Christ has enjoined. For not as common bread and common drink do we receive these; but in like manner as Jesus Christ our Saviour, having been made flesh by the Word of God, had both flesh and blood for our salvation, so likewise have we been taught that the food which is blessed by the prayer of His word, and from which our blood and flesh by transmutation are nourished, is the flesh and blood of that Jesus who was made flesh. For the apostles, in the memoirs composed by them, which are called Gospels, have thus delivered unto us what was enjoined upon them; that Jesus took bread, and when He had given thanks, said, “This do ye in remembrance of Me, this is My body; ”and that, after the same manner, having taken the cup and given thanks, He said, “This is My blood; ”and gave it to them alone.”

 

[Jim Parker]

No, that's not what i asked...

What you asked was, "Where do those words come from."

You said "When we believe we have the power to proceed to catechisis, baptism and the Eucharist." In that order.. Where did you get the idea we needed to do these things? "catechisis & Eucharist"

That's a different question. If that's what you wanted to know, you should have asked it in the first place.
Catechesis is another word for "New Believer's Class."
Jesus commanded it.
Mat 28:19-20 (RSV) Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, to the close of the age."
On the day of Pentecost, Peter told the Jews to be baptized. (Act 2:38)
The Eucharist has been the center of Christian worship from the 1st century.

Ignatius of Antioch (30-107 A. D. A disciple of the apostle John and Bishop of Antioch) in his Epistle to the Smyrnaens, Ch. VII: “Let Us Stand Aloof from Such Heretics” states; “They (the heretics) abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they confess not the Eucharist to be the flesh of our Saviour Jesus Christ, which suffered for our sins,..”


He was taught by the John, the beloved disciple of Christ and, in this statement, he affirms the teaching of the apostles and Christ that the bread is Christ’s body.


Justin Martyr, the church’s first apologist, wrote in the first half of the 2nd century in his “The First Apology of Justin”, in Chapter LXVI.—Of the Eucharist. In it he reports what he was taught as a new Christian by the church. That would mean that the teaching he received was already established in the church. It is not some later innovation by the Roman church but was a part of the teaching of the apostles who taught what they learned from Jesus. It is God’s inspired teaching to the church by His Son, through the apostles to the church.


And here it is:

“And this food is called among us Eujcaristiva [the Eucharist], of which no one is allowed to partake but the man who believes that the things which we teach are true, and who has been washed with the washing that is for the remission of sins, and unto regeneration, and who is so living as Christ has enjoined. For not as common bread and common drink do we receive these; but in like manner as Jesus Christ our Saviour, having been made flesh by the Word of God, had both flesh and blood for our salvation, so likewise have we been taught that the food which is blessed by the prayer of His word, and from which our blood and flesh by transmutation are nourished, is the flesh and blood of that Jesus who was made flesh. For the apostles, in the memoirs composed by them, which are called Gospels, have thus delivered unto us what was enjoined upon them; that Jesus took bread, and when He had given thanks, said, “This do ye in remembrance of Me, this is My body; ”and that, after the same manner, having taken the cup and given thanks, He said, “This is My blood; ”and gave it to them alone.”

 

[turnorburn]

Actually, it is a remembrance of His one sacrifice in the same manner as the Passover is remembered by Jews 3500 years after the event. Both events are "made present" in the remembrance.
The Eucharist has been the center and focus of Christian worship since the first century. It was not an invention of the RCC.

Ignatius of Antioch (30-107 A. D. A disciple of the apostle John and Bishop of Antioch) in his Epistle to the Smyrnaens, Ch. VII: “Let Us Stand Aloof from Such Heretics” states; “They (the heretics) abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they confess not the Eucharist to be the flesh of our Saviour Jesus Christ, which suffered for our sins,..”

He was taught by the John, the beloved disciple of Christ and, in this statement, he affirms the teaching of the apostles and Christ that the bread is Christ’s body.

Justin Martyr, the church’s first apologist, wrote in the first half of the 2nd century in his “The First Apology of Justin”, in Chapter LXVI.—Of the Eucharist. In it he reports what he was taught as a new Christian by the church. That would mean that the teaching he received was already established in the church. It is not some later innovation by the Roman church but was a part of the teaching of the apostles who taught what they learned from Jesus. It is God’s inspired teaching to the church by His Son, through the apostles to the church.

And here it is: “And this food is called among us Eujcaristiva [the Eucharist], of which no one is allowed to partake but the man who believes that the things which we teach are true, and who has been washed with the washing that is for the remission of sins, and unto regeneration, and who is so living as Christ has enjoined. For not as common bread and common drink do we receive these; but in like manner as Jesus Christ our Saviour, having been made flesh by the Word of God, had both flesh and blood for our salvation, so likewise have we been taught that the food which is blessed by the prayer of His word, and from which our blood and flesh by transmutation are nourished, is the flesh and blood of that Jesus who was made flesh. For the apostles, in the memoirs composed by them, which are called Gospels, have thus delivered unto us what was enjoined upon them; that Jesus took bread, and when He had given thanks, said, “This do ye in remembrance of Me, this is My body; ”and that, after the same manner, having taken the cup and given thanks, He said, “This is My blood; ”and gave it to them alone.”

Those are words of men not of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ... that's how the apostasy began with the doctrines of men...

 

[Mike S]

Betwixt the stirrup and the ground,
Mercy I ask’d; mercy I found.

 

[jasonc]

Those are words of men not of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ... that's how the apostasy began with the doctrines of men...

so the man Justin martyr was an apostate? was it not yesterday that you asked have I read fox's book of martyrs. the first martyr was Justin martyr where we get the name from. yes. so he is an apostate?

 

[turnorburn]

so the man Justin martyr was an apostate? was it not yesterday that you asked have I read fox's book of martyrs. the first martyr was Justin martyr where we get the name from. yes. so he is an apostate?

That's not what i said Jason..i said doctrines of men started the Apostasy Btw have you read Foxes Book Of Martyrs?

 

[turnorburn]

i looked up "Justin martyr where we get the name from." and couldn't find it, where did you find it?

 

[jasonc]

That's not what i said Jason..i said doctrines of men started the Apostasy Btw have you read Foxes Book Of Martyrs?

Justin martyr , well he is quoted, he mentions the Eucharist. if its mentioned then. as john the man the wrote the books of 1,2,3,john, john an the last book was tolerating apostasy as he was alive prior to the first century . the earliest time of his death is 70. the last 90. his followers trained Justin martyr. ignatius was around then . figure it out.

the Eucharist is communion. so how is that you are saying that is evil.? IF SO tell me why are.