When GOD refuses to listen...

[Classik]

When GOD refuses to listen...or is not willing to help...who do you run to? :dunno

 

[Tina]

For me, it's my church leaders. They're just living next door .... well kinda, so I'll just drop by and have a talk with them. God has often used them to bless me and speak to me. They're the best !




<By the way, your new signature is too small, can't really see the words .. :D ... Wazzup >

 

[Pard]

Maybe you should be looking to the "why". When God doesn't listen it tends to be a serious thing.

But your iniquities have separated you from your God; your sins have hidden his face from you, so that he will not hear. Isaiah 59:2

So clearly when God isn't listening there is a big reason. Perhaps you ought to figure out the why. What iniquities are setting you away from the Lord?

 

[Milk-Drops]

I talk to others who share the same experiences and then look for informed outside opinions as well. There is also time where I keep a journal and write down my thoughts and try to see if there is a pattern. If one emerges, then I address what causes that pattern.

That helps me.

 

[Mike S]

When GOD refuses to listen...or is not willing to help...who do you run to? :dunno

What makes you think God isn't listening? Be careful what you ask for, because when His answer comes, you may not like it. Just ask Job, and Jonah, and Elijah. When God responds to you, you're likely to be asked "What are you doing here, Classik?"

 

[Christ_empowered]

Sometimes God seems distant. I'm a baby Christian, so I haven't had a whole lot of that--mostly just God choosing not to answer certain prayers, or taking longer than I had hoped to answer some prayers--but C.S. Lewis wrote about it, and more mature Christians have told me it happens.

Listen to God speaking to you through your minister, bible study, fellow Christians, and the world around you. That's really all I can think of right now.

 

[wayseer]

When GOD refuses to listen...or is not willing to help...who do you run to?

Pray tell, how do you know God is not listening?

Just because you demand of God what he is not prepared to deliver does not mean he is not listening.

Most likely you are being taught something but it is you who is not listening.

 

[Pizzaguy]

When GOD refuses to listen...or is not willing to help...who do you run to? :dunno

A question I have asked (almost) as my sister lays in bed with M.S. with NO hope for anything better.

I wonder where God is when a baby is being aborted?

They say that nothing happens outside of God's will. But if that were true, then aborted babies would be in His will.

 

[Pizzaguy]

Maybe you should be looking to the "why". When God doesn't listen it tends to be a serious thing.

But your iniquities have separated you from your God; your sins have hidden his face from you, so that he will not hear. Isaiah 59:2

So clearly when God isn't listening there is a big reason. Perhaps you ought to figure out the why. What iniquities are setting you away from the Lord?

Pray tell, how do you know God is not listening?

Just because you demand of God what he is not prepared to deliver does not mean he is not listening.

Most likely you are being taught something but it is you who is not listening.

In my situation (I mean my SISTER'S situation), guess which post gives me more comfort?

Not that either post is the answer I am looking for.

 

[Pard]

In my situation (I mean my SISTER'S situation), guess which post gives me more comfort?

Not that either post is the answer I am looking for.

The one with scriptural support?

 

[wayseer]

In my situation (I mean my SISTER'S situation), guess which post gives me more comfort?

Not that either post is the answer I am looking for.

It cannot be easy and I can only sympathize and pray with you and your sister in the situation.

But for some reason we have been thrown into this thing called life, this 'vale of tears' as the psalmist puts it, for some reason which is not altogether clear.

I take comfort as I watched people die around me, that God - our God - had the courage to leave his/her exalted position and incarnated as human in order to experience what we experience. No other god did as much.

For some reason what we do down here is important.

 

[God's_gift]

<O:p</O:p

I wonder where God is when a baby is being aborted?<O:p</O:pThey say that nothing happens outside of God's will. But if that were true, then aborted babies would be in His will.

<O:p</O:pi believe that abortion is mostly because of a person's wrong decisions, poor choices and believing the lies of the enemy than the word of God. That is a man's will not God's will. Jesus said , “The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy. I came that they may have life and have it abundantly” ( John 10:10)
<O:p</O:p
In terms of suffering in this world try to ask also this , where is God when Jesus was nailed and crucified at the cross saying " My God, my God why have you forsaken me? " ( Matt. 24: 46) <O:p</O:p

 

[Classik]

I think Pard has a very important input here. Something is really wrong when God refuses to answer. I have had something similar before, but I have a reason for starting this thread: what next when God definitely won't help, sorta?

When the Children of Israel sinned God hid HIS face from them. They came back to God and HE showed HIS face again.

Thanks for that verse, Pard. It really helped.

And mark, I think there are situations when God deliberately refuses to listen (talking about responding to you).

Be careful what you ask for, because when His answer comes, you may not like it.

Yes, you are right. I try to avoid that. One could be without sin - yet God refuses to do that thing: do not press HIM. You might have a solution you can't stand.


I had a problem (private). I prayed; a friend prayed, too. Many people prayed. God didn't help. It was a horrible experience for me. I prayed with a broken heart. I prayed until I lost hope. (I have never in my life sought the face of GOD the way I did it that period. I was still praying, GOD maintained HIS fat NO. I 'watched' this situation until it died away - no remedy) God's still my Best Friend and Father (despite the blow )

Thanks, Tina and Christ_Empowered. Can these people really help when God has refused to help someone? Maybe, maybe not...

I think Pizzaguy would understand me better. God is still with you, Pizza, as He's still with us all.

Thanks, wayseer. Thanks, God's_gift
Thank you all.

So, one should run to no one? This is precisely my concern, the question.

 

[chakham]

Maybe you should be looking to the "why". When God doesn't listen it tends to be a serious thing.

But your iniquities have separated you from your God; your sins have hidden his face from you, so that he will not hear. Isaiah 59:2

So clearly when God isn't listening there is a big reason. Perhaps you ought to figure out the why. What iniquities are setting you away from the Lord.

IMHO I think you assume way too much and sound like one of Jobs three friends Elhaz, Bildad and Zophar passing judgement. And then call it scriptural support.

"There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was blameless and upright, and one who feared God, and turned away from evil.". Yet this righteous man was put to a test and lost everything he had.

I think it starts in Job chapter 32 and continues to the end of the book. Elihu and Yehovah make it known to Job why troubles befall even a righteous man or woman. I find it much more comforting to read that than be accused by other sinners an event has befallen me because I must have done something wrong to warrent it. Now I may not understand why things are sometimes. But what we go through in life, as difficult as it can be, is I think there sometimes to teach us to trust and depend on the Creator who wisely rules the world he made.

The scripture Isaiah I think better supports the idea of the nation of Israel repenting and turning back to His ways. The individual is I think, always on His mind and cared for even when they are unable to care for themselves.

 

[Kidron]

A question I have asked (almost) as my sister lays in bed with M.S. with NO hope for anything better.

I wonder where God is when a baby is being aborted?

They say that nothing happens outside of God's will. But if that were true, then aborted babies would be in His will.

God is in the same place when a baby is aborted that he is when a baby is born.
Allowing free will to operate within the earth.
Never blame God for the decisions that men make and undertake.
Never blame God when men know the truth and do without it.

and finally, do not confuse the foreknowledge of God with the will of God.
For example, God wills that everyone be saved, but in his foreknowledge, that is to say his "knowing the end from the beginning", he already knew who would be saved or lost, even before they were born.
This does not mean that he causes it......it only means that he already KNEW in advance and allows it.
As God is a judge as well as a Father he would not be righteous nor would he be fair, if he caused the will of men to succumb to his will.
Therefore, as salvation is a gift, it can only be offered by invitation and never by force.

 

[Pard]

IMHO I think you assume way too much and sound like one of Jobs three friends Elhaz, Bildad and Zophar passing judgement. And then call it scriptural support.

"There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was blameless and upright, and one who feared God, and turned away from evil.". Yet this righteous man was put to a test and lost everything he had.

I think it starts in Job chapter 32 and continues to the end of the book. Elihu and Yehovah make it known to Job why troubles befall even a righteous man or woman. I find it much more comforting to read than being accused by other sinners an event has befallen me because I must have sinned. I may not understand sometimes why things are. But what we go through in life as difficult as it can be, is I think there sometimes to teach us to trust and depend on the Creator who wisely rules the world he made.

The scripture Isaiah I think better supports the idea of the nation of Israel repenting and turning back to His ways. The individual is I think, always on His mind and cared for even when they are unable to care for themselves.

Good thing he is talking about feeling alone and away from God and not something awful befalling him

Because if that was the case I'd probably have referenced Job, but since he is talking about a feeling of loneliness and distance from God I used the appropriate scripture. And of course, I spoke out of personal experience in that subject.

I find it much more comforting to read than being accused by other sinners an event has befallen me because I must have sinned.

I find it comforting when people don't put words in my mouth. Crazy huh?

Classik, if you'd like more help. PM me and we can talk. I've been feeling very connected to God in the last few days and it is because of that brief line of scripture I quoted above. I'd like to think maybe I can help you too!

 

[Pizzaguy]

Such wisdom in this thread:

.... Yet this righteous man was put to a test and lost everything he had......I find it much more comforting to read than being accused by other sinners an event has befallen me because I must have sinned...

God is in the same place when a baby is aborted that he is when a baby is born.
Allowing free will to operate within the earth.
Never blame God for the decisions that men make and undertake.
Never blame God when men know the truth and do without it.

and finally, do not confuse the foreknowledge of God with the will of God.
For example, God wills that everyone be saved, but in his foreknowledge, that is to say his "knowing the end from the beginning", he already knew who would be saved or lost, even before they were born.
This does not mean that he causes it......it only means that he already KNEW in advance and allows it.
As God is a judge as well as a Father he would not be righteous nor would he be fair, if he caused the will of men to succumb to his will.
Therefore, as salvation is a gift, it can only be offered by invitation and never by force.

<o:p</oi believe that abortion is mostly because of a person's wrong decisions, poor choices and believing the lies of the enemy than the word of God. That is a man's will not God's will....In terms of suffering in this world try to ask also this , where is God when Jesus was nailed and crucified at the cross saying " My God, my God why have you forsaken me? " ( Matt. 24: 46) <o:p</o

It cannot be easy and I can only sympathize and pray with you and your sister in the situation.

But for some reason we have been thrown into this thing called life, this 'vale of tears' as the psalmist puts it, for some reason which is not altogether clear.

I take comfort as I watched people die around me, that God - our God - had the courage to leave his/her exalted position and incarnated as human in order to experience what we experience. No other god did as much.

For some reason what we do down here is important.

Such good responses, some from very new members, even.

The one with scriptural support?

No, sorry Pard. It was the second one. But don't take it personally, I still like reading your posts.

 

[Elijah674]

When GOD refuses to listen...or is not willing to help...who do you run to? :dunno

Heb. 12 (finds real bumps! that is how one matures. Yet, He always hears honest inquiry. Isa. 59:1-2)

[4] Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.
[5] And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
[6] For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
[7] If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
[8] But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

And these surely include us having hard known duties in life that can be left undone. The Phil. 4:13 + 2 Cor. 12:9 verses are everything that is needed by us
to mature if we will.

--Elijah

 

[Christ_empowered]

I understand this better now. I was praying for a friend-of-a-friend who was in a car accident. He's my age--27,28--and has an Rx pill problem (something I can relate to). I was praying that he'd get through it OK and drop the pills. What happened? He's in a wheel chair for life now.

R.C. Sproul did a series on his website about the "vocation of suffering." I don't remember much about it, except that we're all called to suffer for a while, some more than others. Our suffering and struggle through the pain to Christ bears witness to a God who hears our prayers, but whose mind and will are beyond our comprehension.

I don't know. I think about my own time suffering, being a village idiot. I'm better now, but those were years I'll never get back. God's plan? Not clear. Does He have one? Absolutely. I think, personally, I forget just how fallen this world is. All of us age, die, sin, are sinned against. God makes use of all this to fulfill His purposes.

So, I don't know. As I type this, there are people--in the US and abroad--suffering. Lack of food, shelter, health care. Lack of connection to God and others. Pain and misery abound. We're not told anywhere in the Bible that life is "fair," of course. In the long run, the wrongs are made right and the evils of this world are rectified. In the meantime, I suppose the thing to do is trust God and strive for "the peace that surpasses all understanding."

 

[chakham]

Also too we should be careful before making an accusation that God refuses to listen. It is written "Yehovah is near to all those who call upon him, to all who call upon him in truth." psalms 145

I know sometimes we may not feel as though he does and for many of us, myself included it can be painful to endure trials in this short life. But He knows what we are capable of and will provide a means to overcome. How great a faith mine would be if I were more like Job when after all that had happened I could still say "Naked came I out of my mother’s womb, and naked shall I return there; Yehovah gave, and Yehovah has taken away; blessed be the name of Yehovah "