When is the Sabbath?

[donadams]

The day is laid out from Creation when it was made, and the time is from sunset on the sixth day, Friday to sunset at the end of the seventh day, Saturday....

Many people get confused as to when the Sabbath is, to say nothing of those who brougth in Sunday as a day of worship. The Sabbath is and has been from Creation on the seventh-day, but when does it begin. Well if you look in scripture in Genesis, chapter 1, whenever a new day of creation is declared, it says, "and the evening and the morning were the first (or second, or third, etc.) day".

1In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
2And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
3And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
6And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
9And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.
11And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
13And the evening and the morning were the third day.
14And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
20And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
21And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
22And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth.
23And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
24And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
25And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
29And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
30And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so. 31And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. Genesis 1:1-31

..look at verses 5, 8, 13,19, 23, 31, for instance.
Each day of the creation week began at sunset with the dark part, since darkness was here first, and ended with the following sunset so the Sabbath is from sunset Friday to sunset Saturday.

Do we have a new creation?

 

[JLB]

Certainly! The passage you’ve quoted is from the book of Hebrews in the New Testament. Let’s take a closer look at it:

Hebrews 4:8-9 (ESV):


This verse refers to the concept of rest and draws a parallel between the rest that Joshua provided to the Israelites when they entered the Promised Land and the ultimate rest that God offers to His people. Here are a few key points:

1. Joshua’s Rest: Joshua led the Israelites into the Promised Land after their wilderness journey. However, this rest was temporary and symbolic. It was a physical rest from their wanderings but did not fully satisfy their spiritual needs.
2. God’s Rest: The verse suggests that if Joshua’s rest had been sufficient, God would not have spoken of “another day.” This “another day” refers to a deeper, spiritual rest that transcends physical circumstances. It points to the concept of the Sabbath rest.
3. Sabbath Rest: The passage concludes by stating that there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God. This rest goes beyond physical rest—it is a rest for the soul, a rest from striving, and a trust in God’s provision. Just as God rested on the seventh day after creation, believers are invited to enter into His rest through faith in Jesus Christ.

In summary, Hebrews 4:8-9 encourages us to find our ultimate rest in God—a rest that goes beyond the temporal and points to eternity. It’s a beautiful reminder of God’s grace and the invitation to rest in Him

Love, Walter

Do you believe the rest this verse in Hebrews concerning Joshua, and the weekly Sabbath are the same?


1 Therefore, since a promise remains of entering His rest, let us fear lest any of you seem to have come short of it. 2 For indeed the gospel was preached to us as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in those who heard it. 3 For we who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said:
“So I swore in My wrath,
‘They shall not enter My rest,’ ”
although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. 4 For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”; 5 and again in this place: “They shall not enter My rest.”
6 Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience, 7 again He designates a certain day, saying in David, “Today,” after such a long time, as it has been said:
“Today, if you will hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts.”
8 For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 There remains therefore a rest for the people of God. Hebrews 4:1-9


Paul (or whoever you believe is the writer of the book of Hebrews) is referring to "another" day of rest. The point he is making does refer to the weekly Sabbath, but the rest to come which is the 1000 year reign of Christ.

The Seventh Prophetic Day.

Mankind has been here going on 6000 years from Adam, or 6 (prophetic) days.

But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 2 Peter 3:8

The weekly day of rest, Sabbath, is a shadow of the rest to come.


So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ. Colossians 2:16-17





JLB

 

[WalterandDebbie]

Do you believe the rest this verse in Hebrews concerning Joshua, and the weekly Sabbath are the same?


1 Therefore, since a promise remains of entering His rest, let us fear lest any of you seem to have come short of it. 2 For indeed the gospel was preached to us as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in those who heard it. 3 For we who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said:
“So I swore in My wrath,
‘They shall not enter My rest,’ ”
although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. 4 For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”; 5 and again in this place: “They shall not enter My rest.”
6 Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience, 7 again He designates a certain day, saying in David, “Today,” after such a long time, as it has been said:
“Today, if you will hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts.”
8 For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 There remains therefore a rest for the people of God. Hebrews 4:1-9


Paul (or whoever you believe is the writer of the book of Hebrews) is referring to "another" day of rest. The point he is making does refer to the weekly Sabbath, but the rest to come which is the 1000 year reign of Christ.

The Seventh Prophetic Day.

Mankind has been here going on 6000 years from Adam, or 6 (prophetic) days.

But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 2 Peter 3:8

The weekly day of rest, Sabbath, is a shadow of the rest to come.


So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ. Colossians 2:16-17





JLB

Yes Sir, https://christianforums.net/threads/what-does-colossians-2-16-17-mean.100511/

also: https://christianforums.net/threads...hings-to-come-but-what-does-that-mean.100499/

Love, Walter

 

[Gary K]

Constantine and the Sabbath Change
Sunday actually made very little headway as a Christian day of rest until the time of
Constantine in the fourth century. Constantine was emperor of Rome from AD 306
to 337. He was a sun worshiper during the first years of his reign.
Later, he professed conversion to Christianity, but at heart remained a devotee of
the sun. Edward Gibbon says, “The Sun was universally celebrated as the invincible
guide and protector of Constantine.”vi
Constantine created the earliest Sunday law known to history in AD 321:
On the venerable Day of the sun let the magistrates and people residing in cities rest,
and let all workshops be closed. In the country, however, persons engaged in
agriculture may freely and lawfully continue their pursuits: because it often happens
that another Day is not so suitable for grain sowing or for vine planting: lest by
neglecting the proper moment for such operations the bounty of heaven should be
lost.vii
Chamber’s Encyclopedia says this:
Unquestionably the first law, either ecclesiastical or civil, by which the Sabbatical
observance of that Day is known to have been ordained, is the edict of Constantine, 321
A.D.viii
Following this initial legislation, both emperors and Popes in succeeding centuries
added other laws to strengthen Sunday observance. What began as a pagan
ordinance ended as a Christian regulation.
Close on the heels of the Edict of Constantine followed the Catholic Church Council of
Laodicea (circa 364 AD):
Christians shall not Judaize and be idle on Saturday (Sabbath), but shall work on that
Day: but the Lord’s Day, they shall especially honour, and as being Christians, shall, if
possible, do no work on that Day. If however, they are found Judaizing, they shall be
shut out from Christ.ix

Boasts of the Roman Church about Sunday
The Catholic Church claims responsibility for the change from seventh-‐day to first-‐
day Sabbath. Here is an explanation from The Catechism of the Catholic Church
Section 2 Article 3 (1994):
Sunday – fulfillment of the Sabbath. Sunday is expressly distinguished from the
Sabbath which it follows chronologically every week; for Christians its ceremonial
observance replaces that of the Sabbath... The Sabbath, which represented the
completion of the first creation, has been replaced by Sunday which recalls the new
creation, has been replaced by Sunday which recalls the new creation inaugurated by
the Resurrection of Christ... In respecting religious liberty and the common good of all,
Christians should seek recognition of Sundays and the Church’s holy days as legal
holidays.
And here are various Catholic sources claiming the change was the doing of the
Roman Catholic Church:
Cardinal James Gibbons, The Faith of Our Fathers (Ayers Publishing, 1978):
108:
But you may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single
line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious
observance of Saturday, a day which we never sanctify.
The Convert's Catechism of Catholic Doctrine (1957): 50:
Q. Which is the Sabbath day? A. Saturday is the Sabbath day. Q. Why Do we observe
Sunday instead of Saturday? A. We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the
Catholic Church transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.
Chancellor Albert Smith for Cardinal of Baltimore Archdiocese, letter dated
February 10, 1920:
If Protestants would follow the Bible, they should worship God on the Sabbath day by
God is Saturday. In keeping the Sunday, they are following a law of the Catholic
Church

Stephen Keenan, Catholic—Doctrinal Catechism 3rd Edition: 174:
Question: Have you any other way of proving the Church has power to institute
festivals of precept?
Answer: Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern
religionists agree with her, she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday
the 1st day of the week, for the observance of Saturday the 7th day, a change for which
there is no Scriptural authority.x

Our Sunday Visitor (February 5, 1950):
Practically everything Protestants regard as essential or important they have received
from the Catholic Church... The Protestant mind does not seem to realize that in
accepting the Bible and observing the Sunday, in keeping Christmas and Easter, they
are accepting the authority of the spokesman for the church, the Pope.
Louis Gaston Segur, Plain Talk about the Protestantism of To Day (London:
Thomas Richardson and Son, 1874): 213:
Thus the observance of Sunday by the Protestants is a homage they pay, in spite of
themselves, to the authority of the (Catholic) Church.

The Catholic Mirror (September 23, 1893):
The Catholic Church, for over 1000 years before the existence of a protestant, by virtue
of her divine mission, changed the day from Saturday to Sunday... Reason and
common sense demand the acceptance of one or the other of these alternatives: either
Protestantism and the keeping holy of Saturday, or Catholicity and the keeping holy of
Sunday. Compromise is impossible.
Sunday is therefore to this day the acknowledged offspring of the Catholic Church as
spouse of the Holy Ghost, without a word of remonstrance from the Protestant world.
But the Protestant says: How can I receive the teachings of an apostate Church? How,
we ask, have you managed to receive her teachings all your life, in direct opposition to
your recognized teacher, the Bible, on the Sabbath question. ...those who follow the
Bible as their guide, the Israelites and the Seventh day Adventists have the exclusive
weight of evidence on their side, whilst the Biblical Protestant has not a word in self
defence for the substitution of Sunday for Saturday.
The Adventists are the only body of Christians with the Bible as their teacher, who can
find no warrant in its pages for the change of day from the seventh to the first. Hence
their appellation, “Seventh day Adventists.

http://pdf.amazingdiscoveries.org/Section PDFs/Changing the Sabbath.pdf

 

[WalterandDebbie]

Constantine and the Sabbath Change
Sunday actually made very little headway as a Christian day of rest until the time of
Constantine in the fourth century. Constantine was emperor of Rome from AD 306
to 337. He was a sun worshiper during the first years of his reign.
Later, he professed conversion to Christianity, but at heart remained a devotee of
the sun. Edward Gibbon says, “The Sun was universally celebrated as the invincible
guide and protector of Constantine.”vi
Constantine created the earliest Sunday law known to history in AD 321:
On the venerable Day of the sun let the magistrates and people residing in cities rest,
and let all workshops be closed. In the country, however, persons engaged in
agriculture may freely and lawfully continue their pursuits: because it often happens
that another Day is not so suitable for grain sowing or for vine planting: lest by
neglecting the proper moment for such operations the bounty of heaven should be
lost.vii
Chamber’s Encyclopedia says this:
Unquestionably the first law, either ecclesiastical or civil, by which the Sabbatical
observance of that Day is known to have been ordained, is the edict of Constantine, 321
A.D.viii
Following this initial legislation, both emperors and Popes in succeeding centuries
added other laws to strengthen Sunday observance. What began as a pagan
ordinance ended as a Christian regulation.
Close on the heels of the Edict of Constantine followed the Catholic Church Council of
Laodicea (circa 364 AD):
Christians shall not Judaize and be idle on Saturday (Sabbath), but shall work on that
Day: but the Lord’s Day, they shall especially honour, and as being Christians, shall, if
possible, do no work on that Day. If however, they are found Judaizing, they shall be
shut out from Christ.ix

Boasts of the Roman Church about Sunday
The Catholic Church claims responsibility for the change from seventh-‐day to first-‐
day Sabbath. Here is an explanation from The Catechism of the Catholic Church
Section 2 Article 3 (1994):
Sunday – fulfillment of the Sabbath. Sunday is expressly distinguished from the
Sabbath which it follows chronologically every week; for Christians its ceremonial
observance replaces that of the Sabbath... The Sabbath, which represented the
completion of the first creation, has been replaced by Sunday which recalls the new
creation, has been replaced by Sunday which recalls the new creation inaugurated by
the Resurrection of Christ... In respecting religious liberty and the common good of all,
Christians should seek recognition of Sundays and the Church’s holy days as legal
holidays.
And here are various Catholic sources claiming the change was the doing of the
Roman Catholic Church:
Cardinal James Gibbons, The Faith of Our Fathers (Ayers Publishing, 1978):
108:
But you may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single
line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious
observance of Saturday, a day which we never sanctify.
The Convert's Catechism of Catholic Doctrine (1957): 50:
Q. Which is the Sabbath day? A. Saturday is the Sabbath day. Q. Why Do we observe
Sunday instead of Saturday? A. We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the
Catholic Church transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.
Chancellor Albert Smith for Cardinal of Baltimore Archdiocese, letter dated
February 10, 1920:
If Protestants would follow the Bible, they should worship God on the Sabbath day by
God is Saturday. In keeping the Sunday, they are following a law of the Catholic
Church

Stephen Keenan, Catholic—Doctrinal Catechism 3rd Edition: 174:
Question: Have you any other way of proving the Church has power to institute
festivals of precept?
Answer: Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern
religionists agree with her, she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday
the 1st day of the week, for the observance of Saturday the 7th day, a change for which
there is no Scriptural authority.x

Our Sunday Visitor (February 5, 1950):
Practically everything Protestants regard as essential or important they have received
from the Catholic Church... The Protestant mind does not seem to realize that in
accepting the Bible and observing the Sunday, in keeping Christmas and Easter, they
are accepting the authority of the spokesman for the church, the Pope.
Louis Gaston Segur, Plain Talk about the Protestantism of To Day (London:
Thomas Richardson and Son, 1874): 213:
Thus the observance of Sunday by the Protestants is a homage they pay, in spite of
themselves, to the authority of the (Catholic) Church.

The Catholic Mirror (September 23, 1893):
The Catholic Church, for over 1000 years before the existence of a protestant, by virtue
of her divine mission, changed the day from Saturday to Sunday... Reason and
common sense demand the acceptance of one or the other of these alternatives: either
Protestantism and the keeping holy of Saturday, or Catholicity and the keeping holy of
Sunday. Compromise is impossible.
Sunday is therefore to this day the acknowledged offspring of the Catholic Church as
spouse of the Holy Ghost, without a word of remonstrance from the Protestant world.
But the Protestant says: How can I receive the teachings of an apostate Church? How,
we ask, have you managed to receive her teachings all your life, in direct opposition to
your recognized teacher, the Bible, on the Sabbath question. ...those who follow the
Bible as their guide, the Israelites and the Seventh day Adventists have the exclusive
weight of evidence on their side, whilst the Biblical Protestant has not a word in self
defence for the substitution of Sunday for Saturday.
The Adventists are the only body of Christians with the Bible as their teacher, who can
find no warrant in its pages for the change of day from the seventh to the first. Hence
their appellation, “Seventh day Adventists.

http://pdf.amazingdiscoveries.org/Section PDFs/Changing the Sabbath.pdf

You are correct in this information, thank you.

Love, Walter

 

[donadams]

Constantine and the Sabbath Change
Sunday actually made very little headway as a Christian day of rest until the time of
Constantine in the fourth century. Constantine was emperor of Rome from AD 306
to 337. He was a sun worshiper during the first years of his reign.
Later, he professed conversion to Christianity, but at heart remained a devotee of
the sun. Edward Gibbon says, “The Sun was universally celebrated as the invincible
guide and protector of Constantine.”vi
Constantine created the earliest Sunday law known to history in AD 321:
On the venerable Day of the sun let the magistrates and people residing in cities rest,
and let all workshops be closed. In the country, however, persons engaged in
agriculture may freely and lawfully continue their pursuits: because it often happens
that another Day is not so suitable for grain sowing or for vine planting: lest by
neglecting the proper moment for such operations the bounty of heaven should be
lost.vii
Chamber’s Encyclopedia says this:
Unquestionably the first law, either ecclesiastical or civil, by which the Sabbatical
observance of that Day is known to have been ordained, is the edict of Constantine, 321
A.D.viii
Following this initial legislation, both emperors and Popes in succeeding centuries
added other laws to strengthen Sunday observance. What began as a pagan
ordinance ended as a Christian regulation.
Close on the heels of the Edict of Constantine followed the Catholic Church Council of
Laodicea (circa 364 AD):
Christians shall not Judaize and be idle on Saturday (Sabbath), but shall work on that
Day: but the Lord’s Day, they shall especially honour, and as being Christians, shall, if
possible, do no work on that Day. If however, they are found Judaizing, they shall be
shut out from Christ.ix

Boasts of the Roman Church about Sunday
The Catholic Church claims responsibility for the change from seventh-‐day to first-‐
day Sabbath. Here is an explanation from The Catechism of the Catholic Church
Section 2 Article 3 (1994):
Sunday – fulfillment of the Sabbath. Sunday is expressly distinguished from the
Sabbath which it follows chronologically every week; for Christians its ceremonial
observance replaces that of the Sabbath... The Sabbath, which represented the
completion of the first creation, has been replaced by Sunday which recalls the new
creation, has been replaced by Sunday which recalls the new creation inaugurated by
the Resurrection of Christ... In respecting religious liberty and the common good of all,
Christians should seek recognition of Sundays and the Church’s holy days as legal
holidays.
And here are various Catholic sources claiming the change was the doing of the
Roman Catholic Church:
Cardinal James Gibbons, The Faith of Our Fathers (Ayers Publishing, 1978):
108:
But you may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single
line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious
observance of Saturday, a day which we never sanctify.
The Convert's Catechism of Catholic Doctrine (1957): 50:
Q. Which is the Sabbath day? A. Saturday is the Sabbath day. Q. Why Do we observe
Sunday instead of Saturday? A. We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the
Catholic Church transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.
Chancellor Albert Smith for Cardinal of Baltimore Archdiocese, letter dated
February 10, 1920:
If Protestants would follow the Bible, they should worship God on the Sabbath day by
God is Saturday. In keeping the Sunday, they are following a law of the Catholic
Church

Stephen Keenan, Catholic—Doctrinal Catechism 3rd Edition: 174:
Question: Have you any other way of proving the Church has power to institute
festivals of precept?
Answer: Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern
religionists agree with her, she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday
the 1st day of the week, for the observance of Saturday the 7th day, a change for which
there is no Scriptural authority.x

Our Sunday Visitor (February 5, 1950):
Practically everything Protestants regard as essential or important they have received
from the Catholic Church... The Protestant mind does not seem to realize that in
accepting the Bible and observing the Sunday, in keeping Christmas and Easter, they
are accepting the authority of the spokesman for the church, the Pope.
Louis Gaston Segur, Plain Talk about the Protestantism of To Day (London:
Thomas Richardson and Son, 1874): 213:
Thus the observance of Sunday by the Protestants is a homage they pay, in spite of
themselves, to the authority of the (Catholic) Church.

The Catholic Mirror (September 23, 1893):
The Catholic Church, for over 1000 years before the existence of a protestant, by virtue
of her divine mission, changed the day from Saturday to Sunday... Reason and
common sense demand the acceptance of one or the other of these alternatives: either
Protestantism and the keeping holy of Saturday, or Catholicity and the keeping holy of
Sunday. Compromise is impossible.
Sunday is therefore to this day the acknowledged offspring of the Catholic Church as
spouse of the Holy Ghost, without a word of remonstrance from the Protestant world.
But the Protestant says: How can I receive the teachings of an apostate Church? How,
we ask, have you managed to receive her teachings all your life, in direct opposition to
your recognized teacher, the Bible, on the Sabbath question. ...those who follow the
Bible as their guide, the Israelites and the Seventh day Adventists have the exclusive
weight of evidence on their side, whilst the Biblical Protestant has not a word in self
defence for the substitution of Sunday for Saturday.
The Adventists are the only body of Christians with the Bible as their teacher, who can
find no warrant in its pages for the change of day from the seventh to the first. Hence
their appellation, “Seventh day Adventists.

http://pdf.amazingdiscoveries.org/Section PDFs/Changing the Sabbath.pdf

Yes scriptural authority!

Matt 16:18-19 Matt 18:18 full power and authority
Matt 28:18-20

There is a new creation in Christ,
New covenant
New sabbath amen!

The old things are passed away
Christians are forbidden to follow old covenant or Jewish laws and practices as they only pointed to the coming of Christ and were abrogated at the death of the savior and the propagation of the gospel!

And these unauthorized sects who teach Saturday only also teach against the Lord, his divinity and the Most Holy Trinity!

This

Speaking of sun worshipers!

In the 16 century when millions in Europe were rejecting Christ, his church and his revelation (so called reformation) God thru Our Lady of Guadeloupe in Mexico converted over 9 million sun worshipping idolatrous pagan natives unto the glorious faith & baptism in Jesus Christ!

 

[Gary K]

Yes scriptural authority!

Matt 16:18-19 Matt 18:18 full power and authority
Matt 28:18-20

There is a new creation in Christ,
New covenant
New sabbath amen!

The old things are passed away
Christians are forbidden to follow old covenant or Jewish laws and practices as they only pointed to the coming of Christ and were abrogated at the death of the savior and the propagation of the gospel!

And these unauthorized sects who teach Saturday only also teach against the Lord, his divinity and the Most Holy Trinity!

This

Speaking of sun worshipers!

In the 16 century when millions in Europe were rejecting Christ, his church and his revelation (so called reformation) God thru Our Lady of Guadeloupe in Mexico converted over 9 million sun worshipping idolatrous pagan natives unto the glorious faith & baptism in Jesus Christ!

When you add pagan beliefs and practices to Christianity we no longer have Christianity. We have paganism. Sun worship has nothing to do with worshiping God.

 

[donadams]

When you add pagan beliefs and practices to Christianity we no longer have Christianity. We have paganism. Sun worship has nothing to do with worshiping God.

Documents please where the church has pagan practices?

What commandment Does scripture say graven images are against?

 

[donadams]

Sunday

Refuting the “Pagan Origins of the Lord’s Day” Myth Part 1: Did Pagans Celebrate a Weekly Festival on Sunday?
There are three primary groups of people that propagate the myth that the historical Christian tradition of corporate worship on Sunday is rooted in paganism and foisted upon Christendom by the Roman Catholic Church. They are: 1) Seventh Day Sabbatarians; 2) atheists; and 3) pagans.

The scholars unanimously agreed on the following:

Neither the Romans nor the Greeks ever had a regular weekly day of rest from secular work.
Neither did they have a regular weekly festival day.
They did not have a regular day of the week on which they gathered for pagan worship.
They did not have a regular day of the week on which they went to their temples to pray or make offerings.

Conclusion

As Canright amply demonstrated, the testimony of history itself is the proverbial “nail in the coffin” to the myth of the pagan commemoration of a weekly Sunday. Since Sunday had never been a weekly day of worship dedicated to Apollo (or Sol Invictus, etc.) in the first place no one can reasonably be accused of adopting it- much less “Christianizing” it.

In essence, the case for a “pagan Sunday,” no matter what subsequent evidence is provided, is an abject failure since the foundation on which it is built- the existence of a weekly Sunday pagan observance- is a demonstrably false assumption. In the following articles we will examine the equally historically untenable claims revolving around the controversial Constantine, the Roman Catholic Church, and various ecumenical councils.

 

[Gary K]

Documents please where the church has pagan practices?

What commandment Does scripture say graven images are against?

I gave you quotes from Catholic sources.

Exodus 20: 4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

 

[Gary K]

Yes scriptural authority!

Matt 16:18-19 Matt 18:18 full power and authority
Matt 28:18-20

There is a new creation in Christ,
New covenant
New sabbath amen!

The old things are passed away
Christians are forbidden to follow old covenant or Jewish laws and practices as they only pointed to the coming of Christ and were abrogated at the death of the savior and the propagation of the gospel!

And these unauthorized sects who teach Saturday only also teach against the Lord, his divinity and the Most Holy Trinity!

This

Speaking of sun worshipers!

In the 16 century when millions in Europe were rejecting Christ, his church and his revelation (so called reformation) God thru Our Lady of Guadeloupe in Mexico converted over 9 million sun worshipping idolatrous pagan natives unto the glorious faith & baptism in Jesus Christ!

Who denies the divinity of Jesus and the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit? Your misinformation is astounding.

 

[donadams]

I gave you quotes from Catholic sources.

Exodus 20: 4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

Does scripture say what commandment this is?

 

[donadams]

Who denies the divinity of Jesus and the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit? Your misinformation is astounding.

Most of the sects who teach Saturday only sabbath Also teach against the divinity of Christ and the holy trinity

If you be them great

Also I know the church changed the day of rest and public worship to Sunday but for good reason and with the apostolic authority Christ founded his one true apostolic church with!

Thanks

Sorry for the confusion

 

[Gary K]

Does scripture say what commandment this is?

So quoting the 2nd commandment isn't enough info for you

 

[Gary K]

Most of the sects who teach Saturday only sabbath Also teach against the divinity of Christ and the holy trinity

If you be them great

Also I know the church changed the day of rest and public worship to Sunday but for good reason and with the apostolic authority Christ founded his one true apostolic church with!

Thanks

Sorry for the confusion

I don't know of any. The only groups I know of who teach against the divinity of Jesus are the Mormons and JWs and they both attend church on Sunday.

 

[donadams]

So quoting the 2nd commandment isn't enough info for you

All I want to know is where scripture says graven images are forbidden by the “2nd” commandment?

 

[donadams]

I don't know of any. The only groups I know of who teach against the divinity of Jesus are the Mormons and JWs and they both attend church on Sunday.

Sda’s

 

[Gary K]

All I want to know is where scripture says graven images are forbidden by the “2nd” commandment?

I quoted it. Exodus 20: 4-6

 

[Gary K]

Sda’s

As am Adventist I know far more about our beliefs than you do and you're flat out wrong.

 

[donadams]

I quoted it. Exodus 20: 4-6

You don’t understand me

Where does scripture provide a list of the ten commandments?


Content of the Ten Commandments is in ex 20 but not a list so no one can say that graven images are forbidden by the 2nd commandment!

The church says it is the first commandment!

Ten Commandments

Ex 20

Scripture has no list (1, 2, 3, etc.) of the Ten Commandments

According to subject matter or context:

First commandment: ex 20:2-6
One God

Second commandment: ex 20:7
God’s name

Third commandment: ex 20:8-11
God’s original sabbath

Fourth commandment: ex 20:12
Parents

Fifth commandment: ex 20:13
Murder

Sixth commandment: ex 20:14
Adultery

Seventh commandment: ex 20:15
Theft

Eighth commandment: ex 20:16
Lying

Ninth commandment: ex 20:17
Coveting

Separating the two about coveting makes sense!

Ninth: Thou shalt not covet Thy neighbors goods.

Tenth: Thou shalt not covet Thy neighbor’s wife.

Thks