When is "this generation" (Matthew 24:34)?

[Tertul]

Jesus said, "Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place."

Jesus meant the generation of his day, the First century, because:

1) "This" is word meaning a thing that is present or near. Compare to the word "that" which used to indicate something already mentioned that is more remote in time.

2) Jesus told his disciples that the Temple would be destroyed. The Disciples asked when it would happen. If Jesus meant a future generation, then he didn't answer the question.

3) Everything Jesus said would happen did happen before his generation passed. The Temple was destroyed and Jesus came in judgement. The word "come" is often used in both the New and Old Testaments as a figure of speech for judgment.

What is your argument that Jesus meant a future generation? Do you have any argument other than claiming that such-and-such hasn't happened yet? Do you deny the Temple was destroyed? Do you deny the meaning of "this" I presented? If Jesus did answer when, then when? Do you deny the Bible uses "come" in other places as a figure of speech for judgment, or that it can't be a figure of speech here? Do you have a positive case, rather than just denial of my three points?

 

[jasonc]

Jesus said, "Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place."

Jesus meant the generation of his day, the First century, because:

1) "This" is word meaning a thing that is present or near. Compare to the word "that" which used to indicate something already mentioned that is more remote in time.

2) Jesus told his disciples that the Temple would be destroyed. The Disciples asked when it would happen. If Jesus meant a future generation, then he didn't answer the question.

3) Everything Jesus said would happen did happen before his generation passed. The Temple was destroyed and Jesus came in judgement. The word "come" is often used in both the New and Old Testaments as a figure of speech for judgment.

What is your argument that Jesus meant a future generation? Do you have any argument other than claiming that such-and-such hasn't happened yet? Do you deny the Temple was destroyed? Do you deny the meaning of "this" I presented? If Jesus did answer when, then when? Do you deny the Bible uses "come" in other places as a figure of speech for judgment, or that it can't be a figure of speech here? Do you have a positive case, rather than just denial of my three points?

Ask,the early,fathers who might,have things to say ,use Justin martyr and or the didache.

That made me think

 

[for_his_glory]

Matthew 24 is all about Jesus teaching prophecy of future events that would begin after He ascended up to heaven that must be fulfilled before His return on the last day. It's like an outline Jesus gave the disciples of all the signs to watch for as the disciples asked three questions. When shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

This generation in vs. 34 are the generation of Israel that Jesus was speaking to that would see many things that would take place in their days as being the beginning of sorrows as we know that not all things were fulfilled in their day as even today we watch for the signs Jesus spoke of.

IMO, this generation might only mean the generation of Jews from the time of the disciples until the end of days that will witness all these prophecies as the church was not yet established at that time of the Olivet discourse.

 

[Tertul]

This generation in vs. 34 are the generation of Israel that Jesus was speaking to that would see many things that would take place in their days as being the beginning of sorrows as we know that not all things were fulfilled in their day as even today we watch for the signs Jesus spoke of.

Thank you for the reply. But, do you have any positive reason to support your position that Matthew 24 speaks of a future generation. Your only explanation for your position that this isn't about the first century is "not all things were fulfilled" which is a negative reason. Do you have anything other than denying these these had happened. An Atheist reading your post would just decide that Jesus gave a failed prophecy because these things didn't happen when Jesus said they would.

Can the destruction of the Temple be repeated?

 

[dianegcook]

Jesus said, "Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place."

Jesus meant the generation of his day, the First century, because:

1) "This" is word meaning a thing that is present or near. Compare to the word "that" which used to indicate something already mentioned that is more remote in time.

2) Jesus told his disciples that the Temple would be destroyed. The Disciples asked when it would happen. If Jesus meant a future generation, then he didn't answer the question.

3) Everything Jesus said would happen did happen before his generation passed. The Temple was destroyed and Jesus came in judgement. The word "come" is often used in both the New and Old Testaments as a figure of speech for judgment.

What is your argument that Jesus meant a future generation? Do you have any argument other than claiming that such-and-such hasn't happened yet? Do you deny the Temple was destroyed? Do you deny the meaning of "this" I presented? If Jesus did answer when, then when? Do you deny the Bible uses "come" in other places as a figure of speech for judgment, or that it can't be a figure of speech here? Do you have a positive case, rather than just denial of my three points?

Subject matter:
Matt.24:3
When shall these things be?
What shall be the sign of Thy coming, and of the END OF THE WORLD?

The generation of the fig tree is what He was referring to.Matt.24:32
Learn the parable of the fig tree...

Jer.24:1-10

The tribe of Judah has returned to Israel, became a nation in 1948.
They still have the wailing wall.

 

[jasonc]

Subject matter:
Matt.24:3
When shall these things be?
What shall be the sign of Thy coming, and of the END OF THE WORLD?

The generation of the fig tree is what He was referring to.Matt.24:32
Learn the parable of the fig tree...

Jer.24:1-10

The tribe of Judah has returned to Israel, became a nation in 1948.
They still have the wailing wall.

The wailing wall goes back to the tish ma bav. When rome allowed them to,enter the city and mourn.

 

[Tertul]

Subject matter:
Matt.24:3
When shall these things be?
What shall be the sign of Thy coming, and of the END OF THE WORLD?

That appears to be an argument of denial. "The world didn't end, therefor 'this generation' couldn't have meant the first century." I'm really wanting to see some positive evidence that 'this generation' doesn't mean the first century generation.

The disciples asked "What shall the sign of thy coming, and the end of world?" Jesus told them the temple would be destroyed. Why would the disciples ask about the end of the world when Jesus only mentioned the end of the temple? The word "world" in this verse literally means an age. The world wasn't ending. An age was ending, an age linked to the temple: The end of the temple age.

The temple was destroyed in the first century and the temple age ended, passed away. And, the Christian age became fully established.

The generation of the fig tree is what He was referring to.Matt.24:32
Learn the parable of the fig tree...

Jer.24:1-10

1) How could any Jesus' disciples link Jesus comments the the creation of a jewish state when they already had a jewish state at the time?

2) How has Jesus answered he question of when the temple would be destroyed if Jesus basically said "It'll happen in the generation in which it happens."

3) The temple was destroyed in the first century, the subject of the disciple's question.

4) The account in Luke says, "the fig tree, and all the trees." It's pure speculation that the fig tree means Israel. Can you speculate on what "all the trees" mean? For me, Jesus was just explaining what he meant by near, a fig tree or any tree serves to explain, that "near" is not 2000 years away, nor even the time span of a generation (the temple was destroyed 2 1/2 years after the Jewish-Roman war started). There are numerous other mentions of near or soon, and none of the others make a reference to a fig tree leafing or to Israel forming.

The tribe of Judah has returned to Israel, became a nation in 1948.
They still have the wailing wall.

The wailing wall was never part of the temple. Do you think the temple's destruction is taking place in the course of 2000 years? That's a bit more than the time span of a generation.

Israelis make no claim of and have no evidence of being literal descendants of the tribe of Judah. On top of that, the New Testament never predicts the restoration of national Israel (pure speculation with a few verses not withstanding). Nor is being a "jew" contingent upon one's genealogy (that's just bad understanding of the Old Testament and complete denial of jewish teaching today).

 

[for_his_glory]

Thank you for the reply. But, do you have any positive reason to support your position that Matthew 24 speaks of a future generation. Your only explanation for your position that this isn't about the first century is "not all things were fulfilled" which is a negative reason. Do you have anything other than denying these these had happened. An Atheist reading your post would just decide that Jesus gave a failed prophecy because these things didn't happen when Jesus said they would.

Can the destruction of the Temple be repeated?

I think you might have misunderstood what I said. Matthew 24 Jesus is speaking to that present generation of Jews who were His disciples in the first century of those things that will come to pass beginning with the destruction of the Temple. Everything Jesus told them from vs. 1-7 are the beginning of sorrows that they would see in their day, and what we see on a greater scale today.

The abomination of desolation in vs. 5 happened in 70AD with the destruction of the Temple as the Roman Empire ruled over Jerusalem. History will repeat itself when the son of perdition takes his literal seat in Jerusalem in the end of days as he rules the nations for 3 1/2 years, 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12 and Rev 13. The final sign Jesus taught the disciples to look for is in vs. 27-31 of Matthew 24.

Jesus taught the first century disciples all these things as they were inspired of God to write down their witness and testify of what Jesus taught so every generation will be taught, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world as no one, except the Father, knows when Christ will return in the air.

but yet it is for every generation until Christ returns as then all things will be fulfilled.

 

[for_his_glory]

That appears to be an argument of denial. "The world didn't end, therefor 'this generation' couldn't have meant the first century." I'm really wanting to see some positive evidence that 'this generation' doesn't mean the first century generation.

The disciples asked "What shall the sign of thy coming, and the end of world?" Jesus told them the temple would be destroyed. Why would the disciples ask about the end of the world when Jesus only mentioned the end of the temple? The word "world" in this verse literally means an age. The world wasn't ending. An age was ending, an age linked to the temple: The end of the temple age.

The temple was destroyed in the first century and the temple age ended, passed away. And, the Christian age became fully established.



1) How could any Jesus' disciples link Jesus comments the the creation of a jewish state when they already had a jewish state at the time?

2) How has Jesus answered he question of when the temple would be destroyed if Jesus basically said "It'll happen in the generation in which it happens."

3) The temple was destroyed in the first century, the subject of the disciple's question.

4) The account in Luke says, "the fig tree, and all the trees." It's pure speculation that the fig tree means Israel. Can you speculate on what "all the trees" mean? For me, Jesus was just explaining what he meant by near, a fig tree or any tree serves to explain, that "near" is not 2000 years away, nor even the time span of a generation (the temple was destroyed 2 1/2 years after the Jewish-Roman war started). There are numerous other mentions of near or soon, and none of the others make a reference to a fig tree leafing or to Israel forming.



The wailing wall was never part of the temple. Do you think the temple's destruction is taking place in the course of 2000 years? That's a bit more than the time span of a generation.

Israelis make no claim of and have no evidence of being literal descendants of the tribe of Judah. On top of that, the New Testament never predicts the restoration of national Israel (pure speculation with a few verses not withstanding). Nor is being a "jew" contingent upon one's genealogy (that's just bad understanding of the Old Testament and complete denial of jewish teaching today).

Just to let you know we do not allow arguing or debating in these forums. Each one presents that of their understanding and we discuss as there is no "I am right, you are wrong" as we are all learning and searching for truth. The only thing that is denied is that which has already been written by how man interprets their understanding by how they allow themselves to be taught.

 

[dianegcook]

The wailing wall goes back to the tish ma bav. When rome allowed them to,enter the city and mourn.

Hi Jason
Jesus States there should not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down. Matt.24:2
The Jews believe that the wall was from Soloman's Temple.

 

[jasonc]

Hi Jason
Jesus States there should not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down. Matt.24:2
The Jews believe that the wall was from Soloman's Temple.

Nothing left ,what is the herodiam temple built by him,there are three,
Solomons ,zerubabels temple ,the herodian one which was bigger then the one before it,it had a wall .

Zerubabels temple was ransacked and razed by selucid .

 

[dianegcook]

That appears to be an argument of denial. "The world didn't end, therefor 'this generation' couldn't have meant the first century." I'm really wanting to see some positive evidence that 'this generation' doesn't mean the first century generation.

The disciples asked "What shall the sign of thy coming, and the end of world?" Jesus told them the temple would be destroyed. Why would the disciples ask about the end of the world when Jesus only mentioned the end of the temple? The word "world" in this verse literally means an age. The world wasn't ending. An age was ending, an age linked to the temple: The end of the temple age.

The temple was destroyed in the first century and the temple age ended, passed away. And, the Christian age became fully established.



1) How could any Jesus' disciples link Jesus comments the the creation of a jewish state when they already had a jewish state at the time?

2) How has Jesus answered he question of when the temple would be destroyed if Jesus basically said "It'll happen in the generation in which it happens."
Everything
3) The temple was destroyed in the first century, the subject of the disciple's question.

4) The account in Luke says, "the fig tree, and all the trees." It's pure speculation that the fig tree means Israel. Can you speculate on what "all the trees" mean? For me, Jesus was just explaining what he meant by near, a fig tree or any tree serves to explain, that "near" is not 2000 years away, nor even the time span of a generation (the temple was destroyed 2 1/2 years after the Jewish-Roman war started). There are numerous other mentions of near or soon, and none of the others make a reference to a fig tree leafing or to Israel forming.



The wailing wall was never part of the temple. Do you think the temple's destruction is taking place in the course of 2000 years? That's a bit more than the time span of a generation.

Israelis make no claim of and have no evidence of being literal descendants of the tribe of Judah. On top of that, the New Testament never predicts the restoration of national Israel (pure speculation with a few verses not withstanding). Nor is being a "jew" contingent upon one's genealogy (that's just bad understanding of the Old Testament and complete denial of jewish teaching today).

1, Can you show me where they had a Jewish state?
2,everything will be destroyed when Jesus comes back.
The end of the world, especially where Satan will be taking the seat where Jesus will sit. 2 Thess.2:4
3,there still is stones standing..
4, again, Israel became a nation in 1948, He is talking about this generation
Jer.24:6
I will bring them again to this land, and will build them, and not pull them down, I will plant them, and not pluck them up. Good figs
Jer.24:8
Bad figs
The residue that dwell in Jerusalem, that remains in this land, are the Palestines.

The 10 tribes of Israel were scattered...at Jesus's time, The Romans ruled.

Matt.24:34
This generation shall not pass, till ALL these things be fulfilled.
Thus, if it was the first century, what happened to verse 31?
I didn't see the Elect get gathered together, from the 4 winds, nor Jesus coming in the clouds.
Evidently that wasn't the generation, if we are still here.

To each his own, have a good day.

 

[dianegcook]

Nothing left ,what is the herodiam temple built by him,there are three,
Solomons ,zerubabels temple ,the herodian one which was bigger then the one before it,it had a wall .

Zerubabels temple was ransacked and razed by selucid .

Jason,
Regardless, ALL of those things were not fulfilled in Jesus's time on earth.
Jesus hasn't come back to gather the Elect.

 

[jasonc]

I wasnt adressimg the preterist ,bit you,are picking what Jesus said.

Who is standing here that literally heard Jesus ?

Who will believe that Jerusalem is the oppressor to be redeemed from ?

Can't ignore first audience

 

[Tertul]

I think you might have misunderstood what I said. Matthew 24 Jesus is speaking to that present generation of Jews who were His disciples in the first century of those things that will come to pass beginning with the destruction of the Temple. Everything Jesus told them from vs. 1-7 are the beginning of sorrows that they would see in their day, and what we see on a greater scale today.

I see nothing between v7 and v8 that indicates a change of subject from then until now. The whole chapter is about the destruction of the temple and signs leading up to that destruction.

Aside from Jesus says all the thing will happen in his generation, signs are worthless indicators if they're going to be repeated. And, Jesus' answer to his followers question of when couldn't be made any more worthless insisting that not only is the "end" an unidentified future generation, but that the end will only come when all the things happen. If 9 out of 10 things happen you can't know it's the end until all 10 of 10 things happen, including the end itself.

 

[Tertul]

I think you might have misunderstood what I said. Matthew 24 Jesus is speaking to that present generation of Jews who were His disciples in the first century of those things that will come to pass beginning with the destruction of the Temple. Everything Jesus told them from vs. 1-7 are the beginning of sorrows that they would see in their day, and what we see on a greater scale today.

I see nothing between v7 and v8 that indicates a change of subject from then until now. The whole chapter is about the destruction of the temple and signs leading up to that destruction.

Aside from Jesus says all the thing will happen in his generation, signs are worthless indicators if they're going to be repeated. Jesus' answer to his followers question of when couldn't be made any more worthless insisting that not only is the "end" an unidentified future generation, but that the end will only come when all the things happen. If 9 out of 10 things happen you can't know it's the end, not until all 10 of 10 things happen, including the end itself.

I'm really perplexed why many Christians spend so much time trying to turn Bible prophesy into nonsense.

 

[LovethroughDove]

I guess in greek it is considered apocalypse. The unveiling. Maybe he kept it hidden until now?

 

[Tertul]

Are there no Bible-believing Christians in this forum? Why not? Have they all been banned? Why have I not been banned? I see that in this forum "Full preterism is heresy. Postings will be closely moderated, subject to quick deletions." Believing Jesus when he said his generation is when the events of his sermon would come to pass is not "full preterism". Isn't anyone here going to respond to incredible nonsense, abuse of scripture, and rejection of fact presented by Dianecook, post #12: "1, Can you show me where they had a Jewish state [Judea]?..." The lack of intelligent (and honest) life in this forum is embarrassing.

 

[LovethroughDove]

I'm really perplexed why many Christians spend so much time trying to turn Bible prophesy into nonsense.

Hmmmmmm.

Revelation 22:18-19 I warn everyone who hears the words of prophecy of this book. If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.

 

[LovethroughDove]

Matthew 24:30 "At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory.

Revelation 1:14-15. He looks like a meteor entering the atmosphere

We haven't seen this yet