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Where's Heaven and where's Hell?

Classik

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Ask a little child, where is Heaven and where is Hell, and he'd point towards the sky to show you where heaven is; he'd point towards the ground to indicate the way to hell.


It is easier to say or speculate Heaven is above, somehwere beyond the skies.
How about Hell or Hellfire - the place where the devil was sent to?

This accounts seems to talk about the position/direction to Heaven:


[highlight]Acts 1 NKJV

9 Now when He had spoken these things, while they watched, He was taken up, and a cloud received Him out of their sight.
10 And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as He went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel,
11 who also said, "Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven."[/highlight]


How about Hell? :dunno :shrug :confused
(Not that am planning to pay him a visit)
 
In the OT, it was first named Sheol and pointed to the grave.

Psalms 30:3 O LORD, thou hast brought up my soul from the grave (Sheol): thou hast kept me alive, that I should not go down to the pit.
 
And in the new testament Hades is used for hell, again to reference the grave, but there is also mythical connotations that survived this understanding. As I have come to understand it, hell is simply the grave or death, but the second coming is where many will be cast into the fire, something that is not simply just the grave.
 
And in the new testament Hades is used for hell, again to reference the grave, but there is also mythical connotations that survived this understanding. As I have come to understand it, hell is simply the grave or death, but the second coming is where many will be cast into the fire, something that is not simply just the grave.

Actually, Hades and Tartarus comes from Greek Mythology and was somewhat analogous to Abraham's bosom [Hade's was the brother of Zeus] (Luke 16:22). Gehenna has a rich and robust history in the Old Testiment and is as multi layered in the Hebrew culture as Hades and Tartarus was in the Greek culture.
 
Classik,

there is a philosophical way of answering this:

Heaven is within and hell is without. ;)
 
Classik,

there is a philosophical way of answering this:

Heaven is within and hell is without. ;)

:lol Enjoy!!!
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StoveBolts
So we agree?

Vic C

:chin ... ... ... Well said!
 
StoveBolts
So we agree?

hell is simply the grave or death, but the second coming is where many will be cast into the fire, something that is not simply just the grave.

Revelation 20:13-14 And the sea gave up the dead who were in it; and death and hades delivered up the dead who were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
 
Ask a little child, where is Heaven and where is Hell, and he'd point towards the sky to show you where heaven is; he'd point towards the ground to indicate the way to hell.


It is easier to say or speculate Heaven is above, somehwere beyond the skies.
How about Hell or Hellfire - the place where the devil was sent to?

This accounts seems to talk about the position/direction to Heaven:


[highlight]Acts 1 NKJV

9 Now when He had spoken these things, while they watched, He was taken up, and a cloud received Him out of their sight.
10 And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as He went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel,
11 who also said, "Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven."[/highlight]


How about Hell? :dunno :shrug :confused
(Not that am planning to pay him a visit)

Heaven is the paradise our lives become when we do the Lord's will, I believe. Hell is the torment we experience when we sin.
 
Ask a little child, where is Heaven and where is Hell, and he'd point towards the sky to show you where heaven is; he'd point towards the ground to indicate the way to hell.


It is easier to say or speculate Heaven is above, somehwere beyond the skies.
How about Hell or Hellfire - the place where the devil was sent to?

This accounts seems to talk about the position/direction to Heaven:


[highlight]Acts 1 NKJV

9 Now when He had spoken these things, while they watched, He was taken up, and a cloud received Him out of their sight.
10 And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as He went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel,
11 who also said, "Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven."[/highlight]


How about Hell? :dunno :shrug :confused
(Not that am planning to pay him a visit)

Heaven is the paradise our lives become when we do the Lord's will, I believe. Hell is the torment we experience when we sin.

When we die we will go to another place, I imagine, by the way.
 
Right, the third heaven is God's abode,
the second heaven is outer space
the first heaven the sky.

God lives in the third heaven, you could call that heaven. but you should note that we will live in "the kingdom" of heaven, which will be the earth of "the new heavens and new earth". Theres no reason to assume that we will "go to heaven" as it were. After the millenial kingdom [on this current earth] there will be a new heaven and new earth, now if everyone was going to go to the third heaven, what reason would there be for a new earth?

Anyway, where is hell? An earlier poster claimed it was the Sheol of OT fame, wrong. Sheol is death, the realm of the dead. It has never and will never be Hell. Nor was it Hades. Hades is the Greek transliteration of Sheol. Gehenna is supposedly hell, and this is correct in the sense that it relates to the final punishment of the wicked. of course it doesnt mean "eternal conscious torment" It means eternal punishment, which is of course destruction.

So where is hell? Well, Gehenna of course, the valley of hinnom. Not in the bowels of the earth, not in some far away part of the universe. But the lake of fire will be in Israel, then when all the wicked are destroyed, the earth will be made new.
 
Right, the third heaven is God's abode,
the second heaven is outer space
the first heaven the sky.

God lives in the third heaven, you could call that heaven. but you should note that we will live in "the kingdom" of heaven, which will be the earth of "the new heavens and new earth". Theres no reason to assume that we will "go to heaven" as it were. After the millenial kingdom [on this current earth] there will be a new heaven and new earth, now if everyone was going to go to the third heaven, what reason would there be for a new earth?

Anyway, where is hell? An earlier poster claimed it was the Sheol of OT fame, wrong. Sheol is death, the realm of the dead. It has never and will never be Hell. Nor was it Hades. Hades is the Greek transliteration of Sheol. Gehenna is supposedly hell, and this is correct in the sense that it relates to the final punishment of the wicked. of course it doesnt mean "eternal conscious torment" It means eternal punishment, which is of course destruction.

So where is hell? Well, Gehenna of course, the valley of hinnom. Not in the bowels of the earth, not in some far away part of the universe. But the lake of fire will be in Israel, then when all the wicked are destroyed, the earth will be made new.

Finally some more maturity, huh? Thanks;)
Mal.4

[1] For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.
[2] But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.
[3] And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.

Nah. 1
[9] What do ye imagine against the LORD? he will make an utter end: affliction shall not rise up the second time.

Obad. 1 (this next verse documents that some had actually been on the Lord's Holy Mt. perhaps from heavens rebellion on to these once 'spiritually drinking' saved ones of Matt. 7 + Heb. 6:1-6 ones?) :sad

[16] For as ye have drunk upon my holy mountain, so shall all the heathen drink continually, yea, they shall drink, and they shall swallow down, [[and they shall be as though they had not been.]]

And that was a very good question which 'i' thought was from an sincere heart!:thumbsup

If so, see if Bolts & these last two posts help your question? And on the Obad. verse? just think of one being as GONE! To ETERNALLY BE AS THEY HAD NEVER BEEN! The cleansing of the New Heavens + Earth will find that

The Godhead will have a SUPPER HOT HELL. As the above verse of Nah. 1:9 documents.

--Elijah
 
Right, the third heaven is God's abode,
the second heaven is outer space
the first heaven the sky.
So....

The first heaven is our atmosphere and the second heaven is anything beyond the atmosphere... and the third heaven is where God 'is'? Am I understanding you?


In any event, I have a real problem with the idea that Heaven and Hell exist at all. What I mean is, I don't believe there is a PHYSICAL Heaven or Hell. While I believe they exist in the spiritual sense, I do not believe there is a PHYSICAL place for either one. Since the entities who 'live' there are spiritual, and without form as we know it, the same goes for the "place" that they inhabit.

I remember a physicist describing time travel (which we know is impossible). He was speaking of how an entity could possibly travel throughout time. He described an entity that was, in fact, spiritual (but he refused to use the term "spiritual"). As he spoke, I realized that he was, inadvertently I suppose, describing how God could travel thru time. He emphasized that such an entity would not have physical form or any of the attributes of a living creature.

His talk made sense to me and I found myself amused that this man who was "too intellectual to believe in God" did a VERY good job of describing God! He ended his talk with, ".... but, since such formless beings don't exist, we know that we will never travel thru time."

And he is right, we will never travel thru time in our present form. But God does not suffer the limits of our present form.

Where is God? Physically, He is not ANYWHERE. Physically, He does not exist any more than my dead parents exist physically. But SPIRITUALLY, He exists, He always has existed, and He always will exist.
 
So....

The first heaven is our atmosphere and the second heaven is anything beyond the atmosphere... and the third heaven is where God 'is'? Am I understanding you?


In any event, I have a real problem with the idea that Heaven and Hell exist at all. What I mean is, I don't believe there is a PHYSICAL Heaven or Hell. While I believe they exist in the spiritual sense, I do not believe there is a PHYSICAL place for either one. Since the entities who 'live' there are spiritual, and without form as we know it, the same goes for the "place" that they inhabit.

I remember a physicist describing time travel (which we know is impossible). He was speaking of how an entity could possibly travel throughout time. He described an entity that was, in fact, spiritual (but he refused to use the term "spiritual"). As he spoke, I realized that he was, inadvertently I suppose, describing how God could travel thru time. He emphasized that such an entity would not have physical form or any of the attributes of a living creature.

His talk made sense to me and I found myself amused that this man who was "too intellectual to believe in God" did a VERY good job of describing God! He ended his talk with, ".... but, since such formless beings don't exist, we know that we will never travel thru time."

And he is right, we will never travel thru time in our present form. But God does not suffer the limits of our present form.

Where is God? Physically, He is not ANYWHERE. Physically, He does not exist any more than my dead parents exist physically. But SPIRITUALLY, He exists, He always has existed, and He always will exist.

We 'humans' see things differently as seen in 1 Cor. 14:32. But it seems that these ones all agreed with each others 'pen'??
[32] And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.
[33] For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

So what does one do with Job 26 then??
[7] He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.

The Jer. 17:5 ones might give a thought on the verse? But then if these penman are to all agree, lets just try only one more of the Matt. 4:4 required 'diet'?

Psalms 33
[6] By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.
[7] He gathereth the waters of the sea together as an heap: he layeth up the depth in storehouses.
[8] Let all the earth fear the LORD: let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of him.
[9] For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast.:thumbsup
;);)

--Elijah
 
So....

The first heaven is our atmosphere and the second heaven is anything beyond the atmosphere... and the third heaven is where God 'is'? Am I understanding you?
Indeed, paul describes this in 2 Corinthians 12:2
"I know a man in Christ, fourteen years ago (whether in the body, I don't know, or whether out of the body, I don't know; God knows), such a one caught up into the third heaven."

In any event, I have a real problem with the idea that Heaven and Hell exist at all. What I mean is, I don't believe there is a PHYSICAL Heaven or Hell. While I believe they exist in the spiritual sense, I do not believe there is a PHYSICAL place for either one. Since the entities who 'live' there are spiritual, and without form as we know it, the same goes for the "place" that they inhabit.
Heaven does indeed exist, where did Jesus ascend to? Where is God etc. Physical is technically all there is. When we speak of God in "spiritual" terms, you would do well to divorce yourself from hellenisms. Spiritual is - things of God. Not anything to do with ethereal spirits.

I remember a physicist describing time travel (which we know is impossible). He was speaking of how an entity could possibly travel throughout time. He described an entity that was, in fact, spiritual (but he refused to use the term "spiritual"). As he spoke, I realized that he was, inadvertently I suppose, describing how God could travel thru time. He emphasized that such an entity would not have physical form or any of the attributes of a living creature.
Hes speaking as any object without mass can travel faster than/or at the speed of light. However it is all theoretical, and we have yet to encounter a living being without a physical form. We cannot just assume, that God has no form. He certainly affects those WITH form.

His talk made sense to me and I found myself amused that this man who was "too intellectual to believe in God" did a VERY good job of describing God! He ended his talk with, ".... but, since such formless beings don't exist, we know that we will never travel thru time."

And he is right, we will never travel thru time in our present form. But God does not suffer the limits of our present form.
Quite frankly, we would probably not have any desire to travel through time. Also, our present form, is very similar to what we will have in the new kingdom. We will not be spirits.

Where is God? Physically, He is not ANYWHERE. Physically, He does not exist any more than my dead parents exist physically. But SPIRITUALLY, He exists, He always has existed, and He always will exist.

Thats quite an assumption, quite possibly heresy.
 
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