Where's Heaven and where's Hell?

[stovebolts]

I thought I replied to this last week... Did I lose my post?
grrr... hate it when that happens.

 

[Elijah674]

its not a literal destuction of the sun and the moon and a temple that is what i meant. you just quoted me.

an no. those verses on the shabat are for the isrealites and these verses you quote pertain to isreal not the gentiles. so that means we need to look at that and see what the sages thought and also modern christians commentators. lately these seem to agree. funny thing aint it(im not talking about eg white or also schofield but adam clarke and matthew henry's era)

The Bible alone is good enough for me!;)

So what are you going to do with Jer. 4:23-27??

[22] For my people is foolish, they have not known me; they are sottish children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge.[23] I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was [without form, and void]; [and the heavens, and they had no light].
[24] I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.
[25] I beheld, and, [[lo, there was no man]], and all the birds of the heavens were fled.
[26] I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place [was a wilderness], and all the cities thereof were broken down [[at the ***presence of the LORD]], and by his fierce anger.

[27] For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.

If you understand Rev. 20:1-3, you will find that when Christ comes again, His presence will slay all of the wicked. And He comes for His own & does not return until the 1000 years are over. And there is NO one here on earth until the 1000 years are past except satan & his evil angels. The above verses tell it exactly as it was before creation! (Eccl. 3:15) At the end of the 1000 years the wicked will have their resurection to be executed along with satan & his wicked angels.

When we ALL come back with Christ & the Holy City, we will all see the execution of this 1000 year just judgement per ones Luke 12:47-48 punishment. This will be the hell which will surely destroy every place that sin has been. Obad. 1:16 + Nah. 1:16

--Elijah

 

[jasoncran]

irrevalant to what i asked. show the the verses where noah, the church after the decree in acts 15 had to follow the shabat?

 

[Elijah674]

irrevalant to what i asked. show the the verses where noah, the church after the decree in acts 15 had to follow the shabat?

Nothing personal meant, OK? But we are not robots, we have a brain that is to BELIEVE GOD & have that FAITH! When one reads that God (Christ) never CHANGES & it is His WORD to us in Eccl. 1:9-10 + again in Eccl. 3:15 which HE DOCUMENTS it
many times over as seen in Gen. 41:32.. WHAT MORE CAN THE HOLY SPIRIT DO FOR US?????

From day one on when there were NO Jew hybreds on God spoke DIRECTLY to [[HIS OWN.]] (+! Cain)
And even starting with Abe we see in Gen. 26:5 for WHY GOD CALLED HIM IN THE FIRST PLACE!

Gen.26
[1] And there was a famine in the land, beside the first famine that was in the days of Abraham. And Isaac went unto Abimelech king of the Philistines unto Gerar.
[2] And the LORD appeared unto him, and said, Go not down into Egypt; dwell in the land which I shall tell thee of:
[3] Sojourn in this land, and I will be with thee, and will bless thee; for unto thee, and unto thy seed, I will give all these countries, and I will perform the oath which I sware unto Abraham thy father;
[4] And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;

[5] Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

A person who can use their God image Thinking BRAIN, of Rom. 8:14 of being 'LED' & (instead of the Jer. 17:5 stuff) can surely understand that the Law of God has been Eternal as, THEY are! Heb. 13:20 + 2 Cor. 3:3

And the 7th day Sabbath is Their Sanctified day given for us to keep Holy!
James 2:10 has all law seen pretty much as just one complete law. Such as a ten link chain with earth hanging from it, you remove any one link & you are finding what happens to this earths people as well.

--Elijah

 

[jasoncran]

Nothing personal meant, OK? But we are not robots, we have a brain that is to BELIEVE GOD & have that FAITH! When one reads that God (Christ) never CHANGES & it is His WORD to us in Eccl. 1:9-10 + again in Eccl. 3:15 which HE DOCUMENTS it
many times over as seen in Gen. 41:32.. WHAT MORE CAN THE HOLY SPIRIT DO FOR US?????

From day one on when there were NO Jew hybreds on God spoke DIRECTLY to [[HIS OWN.]] (+! Cain)
And even starting with Abe we see in Gen. 26:5 for WHY GOD CALLED HIM IN THE FIRST PLACE!

Gen.26
[1] And there was a famine in the land, beside the first famine that was in the days of Abraham. And Isaac went unto Abimelech king of the Philistines unto Gerar.
[2] And the LORD appeared unto him, and said, Go not down into Egypt; dwell in the land which I shall tell thee of:
[3] Sojourn in this land, and I will be with thee, and will bless thee; for unto thee, and unto thy seed, I will give all these countries, and I will perform the oath which I sware unto Abraham thy father;
[4] And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;

[5] Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

A person who can use their God image Thinking BRAIN, of Rom. 8:14 of being 'LED' & (instead of the Jer. 17:5 stuff) can surely understand that the Law of God has been Eternal as, THEY are! Heb. 13:20 + 2 Cor. 3:3

And the 7th day Sabbath is Their Sanctified day given for us to keep Holy!
James 2:10 has all law seen pretty much as just one complete law. Such as a ten link chain with earth hanging from it, you remove any one link & you are finding what happens to this earths people as well.

--Elijah

nope. the command to circumise was given to abraham and he passed that on to hebrews , they didnt have to be told to circumise they already did it. moses was going to die for not circumising his son elizer and he did circumise gershom.

so epic fail and also if the law didnt become written in our hearts with jesus then why did he come? jeremiah 31 is fulfilled in christ.

oral traditions mean alot to the jews and such a passing of that command to to the sabaath would have occured.

the jews hold noah to a different covenant and if they thought gentiles as having to be under the law they wouldnt have paid them to work on the shabat.

they know better the seven noahide laws

and heres acts 15 for extra measure.

<SUP>1</SUP>And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.

<SUP id=en-KJV-27445 class=versenum>2</SUP>When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and disputation with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas, and certain other of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders about this question.
<SUP id=en-KJV-27446 class=versenum>3</SUP>And being brought on their way by the church, they passed through Phenice and Samaria, declaring the conversion of the Gentiles: and they caused great joy unto all the brethren.
<SUP id=en-KJV-27447 class=versenum>4</SUP>And when they were come to Jerusalem, they were received of the church, and of the apostles and elders, and they declared all things that God had done with them.
<SUP id=en-KJV-27448 class=versenum>5</SUP>But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.
<SUP id=en-KJV-27449 class=versenum>6</SUP>And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.
<SUP id=en-KJV-27450 class=versenum>7</SUP>And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
<SUP id=en-KJV-27451 class=versenum>8</SUP>And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;
<SUP id=en-KJV-27452 class=versenum>9</SUP>And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
<SUP id=en-KJV-27453 class=versenum>10</SUP>Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
<SUP id=en-KJV-27454 class=versenum>11</SUP>But we believe that through the grace of the LORD Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.
<SUP id=en-KJV-27455 class=versenum>12</SUP>Then all the multitude kept silence, and gave audience to Barnabas and Paul, declaring what miracles and wonders God had wrought among the Gentiles by them.
<SUP id=en-KJV-27456 class=versenum>13</SUP>And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me:
<SUP id=en-KJV-27457 class=versenum>14</SUP>Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.
<SUP id=en-KJV-27458 class=versenum>15</SUP>And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,
<SUP id=en-KJV-27459 class=versenum>16</SUP>After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up:
<SUP id=en-KJV-27460 class=versenum>17</SUP>That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things.
<SUP id=en-KJV-27461 class=versenum>18</SUP>Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.
<SUP id=en-KJV-27462 class=versenum>19</SUP>Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:
<SUP id=en-KJV-27463 class=versenum>20</SUP>But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
<SUP id=en-KJV-27464 class=versenum>21</SUP>For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.
<SUP id=en-KJV-27465 class=versenum>22</SUP>Then pleased it the apostles and elders with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas and Silas, chief men among the brethren:
<SUP id=en-KJV-27466 class=versenum>23</SUP>And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia.
<SUP id=en-KJV-27467 class=versenum>24</SUP>Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:
<SUP id=en-KJV-27468 class=versenum>25</SUP>It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul,
<SUP id=en-KJV-27469 class=versenum>26</SUP>Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
<SUP id=en-KJV-27470 class=versenum>27</SUP>We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth.
<SUP id=en-KJV-27471 class=versenum>28</SUP>For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
<SUP id=en-KJV-27472 class=versenum>29</SUP>That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.
<SUP id=en-KJV-27473 class=versenum>30</SUP>So when they were dismissed, they came to Antioch: and when they had gathered the multitude together, they delivered the epistle:
<SUP id=en-KJV-27474 class=versenum>31</SUP>Which when they had read, they rejoiced for the consolation.
<SUP id=en-KJV-27475 class=versenum>32</SUP>And Judas and Silas, being prophets also themselves, exhorted the brethren with many words, and confirmed them.
<SUP id=en-KJV-27476 class=versenum>33</SUP>And after they had tarried there a space, they were let go in peace from the brethren unto the apostles.
<SUP id=en-KJV-27477 class=versenum>34</SUP>Notwithstanding it pleased Silas to abide there still.
<SUP id=en-KJV-27478 class=versenum>35</SUP>Paul also and Barnabas continued in Antioch, teaching and preaching the word of the Lord, with many others also.
<SUP id=en-KJV-27479 class=versenum>36</SUP>And some days after Paul said unto Barnabas, Let us go again and visit our brethren in every city where we have preached the word of the LORD, and see how they do.
<SUP id=en-KJV-27480 class=versenum>37</SUP>And Barnabas determined to take with them John, whose surname was Mark.
<SUP id=en-KJV-27481 class=versenum>38</SUP>But Paul thought not good to take him with them, who departed from them from Pamphylia, and went not with them to the work.
<SUP id=en-KJV-27482 class=versenum>39</SUP>And the contention was so sharp between them, that they departed asunder one from the other: and so Barnabas took Mark, and sailed unto Cyprus;
<SUP id=en-KJV-27483 class=versenum>40</SUP>And Paul chose Silas, and departed, being recommended by the brethren unto the grace of God. <SUP id=en-KJV-27484 class=versenum>41</SUP>And he went through Syria and Cilicia, confirming the churches.

 

[Elijah674]

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Originally Posted by Elijah674
Sure do!
But the subject just asks about where is heaven & where is hell. I see Jer. 4:22-27 from just before Adam's creation until Christ comes again. (shortly!) And then 1000 yrs. has this verse 27 ones judging these ALL DEAD of earth except the ones who were kicked out of heaven's rebellion!

And where is Hell?? First we must see 1 Cor. 6:2-3 for what we are to take an active part in. ...
[2] Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
[3] Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

And for me & this above judgement?? Surely my duty then can still be found yet today teaching & warning those lost ones so that they will not be lost! And if I really love Christ & His creation, 'i' will not only spend, but be spent, and as I see it the time is extremely short!

As Jer. 4 finds in verse 26-27 that at the Presence (Second Coming) of the Lord the whole EARTH shall BECOME DESOLATE! & verse 23-25 has NO MAN & NO HEAVENS.

And this EARTH shall remain this way until ALL OF THE SAVED COME AGAIN at the END of the 1000 years for the execution of the wicked who are to have a judgement as to their 'wickedness' to die the second death. This earth will be cleansed with fire, this is where 'hell will FINISH its contents forever'!
These will all then of had their resurrection to die accordingly, in their second death. Eccl. 12:13-14 + Luke 12:47-48.

It is then that Christ/God recreates a New Heavens & a New Earth wherein will be Eternal Rightousness. Nah. 1:9 And Rev. 21 has the New City to then be located on & in this Newly Recreated Earth.

--Elijah




Epic post. Respect brother. (by think/rebel)

____________

I suggest that to understand.. 'Where's Heaven + Hell'??? EVERYONE needs to lay aside all material from these Jer. 17:5 ones 'stuffings' which hardly has any of them agree in 'truthful' unity with Christ's COMPLETE WORD! (Matt. 4:4 + 2 Tim. 3:16's Doctrine)

And if the [work] does not LINE UP WITH Jer. 4, then their work needs DUMPING!

--Elijah
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[elijah23]

Elijah, your answers always intrigue me. They are always focused on this life. Do you not believe in anything AFTER this life?

Westtexas

That is an interesting observation.

Life is eternal. After this life we pass onto the resurrection.

The teachings of Jesus kick in as soon as you start obeying them. You can have paradise right now.

 

[elijah23]

Elijah, your answers always intrigue me. They are always focused on this life. Do you not believe in anything AFTER this life?

Westtexas

That is an interesting observation.

Life is eternal. After this life we pass onto the resurrection.

The teachings of Jesus kick in as soon as you start obeying them. You can have paradise right now.

That is, the Lord solves all of problems. Life becomes a paradise.