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Which Church Are We? Which Church Am I?

iLOVE

iLOVE

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According to Our Savior Lord Jesus Christ, every born again Christian is found in one of these seven churches in the book of Revelation. Jesus says I no your deeds. It appears five out of every seven Christians will not be "Raptured. Your thoughts.
Revelation 1 - Revelation 2 - Revelation 3

1) Ephesus (Revelation 2:1-7) - the church that had forsaken its first love (2:4).

(2) Smyrna (Revelation 2:8-11) - the church that would suffer persecution (2:10).

(3) Pergamum (Revelation 2:12-17) - the church that needed to repent (2:16).

(4) Thyatira (Revelation 2:18-29) - the church that had a false prophetess (2:20).

(5) Sardis (Revelation 3:1-6) - the church that had fallen asleep (3:2).

(6) Philadelphia (Revelation 3:7-13) - the church that had endured patiently (3:10).

(7) Laodicea (Revelation 3:14-22) - the church with the lukewarm faith (3:16).



Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/seven-churches-Revelation.html#ixzz3dHevR4eq
 
The seven churches are deemed to represent seven stages in the history of Christendom. They may aso represent local churches today as they exist. There are lessons for every believer and every church in those first three chapters of Revelation.

But it is never "churches" which are raptured, but simply individual believers. Once we understand the purpose of the Rapture, we will come to understand that the Rapture/Resurrection is not because people deserve to be with Christ, but because God's grace has ensured that every child of God will be perfected and glorified. See Rom 8:29,30.
 
Good question @
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Of the seven churches addressed, five are told to repent or suffer the consequences, and only two were commended and told they would have crowns, and
Smyrna - The full overcomers that die in Christ and rise first.
Rev 2:10 . . . be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.
Philadelphia - These are alive at Jesus' coming in the air for them, and kept from the tribulation.
Rev 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience (Faithfully kept My word), I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
Rev 3:11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.

The remaining five churches constitute the Great Multitude of Rev 7:13,14,15.
Where do we fit in? Rev 19:7 says the bride has made herself ready by her righteous works.

Rev 19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
Rev 19:8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness (works of righteousness) of saints.

What of those other five churches?
Rev 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
Rev 7:15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple (don't sound like the bride here): and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.


 
Malachi said:
The seven churches are deemed to represent seven stages in the history of Christendom. They may aso represent local churches today as they exist. There are lessons for every believer and every church in those first three chapters of Revelation.

But it is never "churches" which are raptured, but simply individual believers. Once we understand the purpose of the Rapture, we will come to understand that the Rapture/Resurrection is not because people deserve to be with Christ, but because God's grace has ensured that every child of God will be perfected and glorified. See Rom 8:29,30.
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I have to agree with Malachi that the 7 church do represent conditions of churches today. It's in scripture for a reason.

However, Jesus said in Matt 24 the goodman of the house had to watch himself. This was not dependent on the church he attended. Just being part of one church that is just awesome, is no indication that your OK with the Lord Jesus.

The 7 churches were in Turkey and are long gone. I don't think we should read to much into them, but they would be watch signs for what is happening in modern churches today.

Mike
 
We Are Now In The Fig Tree Generation.
1948 Was The Start Of the Last Generation

Explanation of the parable of the fig tree
representing the Jewish state of Israel (Matthew 24: 32), set up on May 14th 1948.

Matthew 24: 32-34
 
iLOVE said:
We Are Now In The Fig Tree Generation.
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*Generation* can also mean nation or family as a national group. But this does not pertain to the seven churches, since God has a plan for the Church and another plan for Israel. That the state of Israel came into existence in 1948 confirms this.
 
There are elements of all the seven churches in existence today. But since the church at Laodicea is last, and we are in the last days during which there will come a great falling away (apostasy), Christendom (in general) represents the church at Laodicea more than anything else. The existence of the Emergent Church Movement and all it stands for confirms this, but there is a lot more which most Christians take for granted.
 
Malachi said:
There are elements of all the seven churches in existence today. But since the church at Laodicea is last, and we are in the last days during which there will come a great falling away (apostasy), Christendom (in general) represents the church at Laodicea more than anything else. The existence of the Emergent Church Movement and all it stands for confirms this, but there is a lot more which most Christians take for granted.
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That falling away be the Greek verb parapipto, or the Greek female noun Apostasia? Jesus said, on this rock (himself) I'll build my church where the gates of Hell shall not prevail. Paul stated that He is able to present him a glorious church without spot or blemish.

Well, the Methodist took a vote to allow gay pastors. Pretty dark in that camp to even consider a vote needing to be taken. we see lots of main denominations succumb to homosexuality.

Are these "REAL" churches, or are these just wolves that have had light shown on them? Has the "REAL" churches been corrupted?

Lot's of things in the Paste have looked good, like boy scouts, Eagle scouts, but the light gets brighter as the days to the end get closer and what looked good, was corrupted.

Is it a real church, the body of Christ, if it's been considered to stray from truth? Apostasy?

Great input.

Mike.
 
Malachi said:
*Generation* can also mean nation or family as a national group. But this does not pertain to the seven churches, since God has a plan for the Church and another plan for Israel. That the state of Israel came into existence in 1948 confirms this.
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Israel is and has always been the Church,therefore no different plan...Off topic but had to say it....
 
The 7 Churches in Rev make up the types of Churches we have today,the key is with the two Christ found no fault with........
 
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iLOVE said:
According to Our Savior Lord Jesus Christ, every born again Christian is found in one of these seven churches in the book of Revelation. Jesus says I no your deeds. It appears five out of every seven Christians will not be "Raptured. Your thoughts.
Revelation 1 - Revelation 2 - Revelation 3

1) Ephesus (Revelation 2:1-7) - the church that had forsaken its first love (2:4).

(2) Smyrna (Revelation 2:8-11) - the church that would suffer persecution (2:10).

(3) Pergamum (Revelation 2:12-17) - the church that needed to repent (2:16).

(4) Thyatira (Revelation 2:18-29) - the church that had a false prophetess (2:20).

(5) Sardis (Revelation 3:1-6) - the church that had fallen asleep (3:2).

(6) Philadelphia (Revelation 3:7-13) - the church that had endured patiently (3:10).

(7) Laodicea (Revelation 3:14-22) - the church with the lukewarm faith (3:16).



Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/seven-churches-Revelation.html#ixzz3dHevR4eq
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There is the unalterable blueprint of God, the plan of salvation, which is all about God, in defining HIMSELF, showing how truly HE is light and there is no darkness in HIM.

In this blueprint, from the creation of the earth to the marriage of the lamb, there are 10 complete dispensations. These dispensations are categorized according to great events in the Church, according to the plan of salvation. These different dispensations are the time of:
1) Adam
2)Enoch
3)Noah
4)Abraham
5)Moses
6)Our Supreme Lord Jesus Christ
7)The Most Holy Spirit
8)The Millenial reign
9)The battle of Armageddon
10)The judgment day.

The Church is ONE and there is nothing as "Churches", but there are the different ages of the Church. The Church began from the first dispensation. The essence of the Church is to teach the children of Adam all about God's Ultimate plan of salvation, the reason for the sojourn (pilgrimage) of mankind on earth and the way back to Eden (our country home). In the course of this, only 2 people were able to pass (graduate), and these 2 persons are Enoch and Elijah, which is why they did not taste death at all.

In the plan, ELOHIM, The God of Creation made provision for every son/daughter of Adam (H.E) to have equal opportunity in this race back to our country home by not leaving the Church without leadership, which is why from the first dispensation to the 7th, which will usher in the 2nd coming of our Supreme Lord Jesus, He ordained 7 leaders that will lead the 7 ages of the Church (these are the 7 candle sticks in the book of revelation). The plan of salvation was divided into 7 parts and given to these leaders, as their messages to the Church in guiding and pointing them to heaven.
These ages of the Church are different from the dispensations, even though some great events as regards the dispensations took place in the times of some of these 7 angels.

The creation of man was the beginning of the gospel. The gospel is all about the creation of man, his fall, the atonement, the remission of sins and the race back to heaven. Father Adam (H.E) being the procreator of mankind was not an angel of a Church age.

1)The first Church age was led by Enoch, who had the gospel of Transfiguration.
2)The second age was led by Noah, with the gospel of Baptismal regeneration.
3)The third was led by Abraham, with the gospel of circumcision.
4)The fourth was Moses with the gospel of Atonement.
5)The fifth was Joshua with the gospel of Revelation.
6)The sixth was Apostle Peter with the gospel of The remission of sins.
7)The seventh is Prophet Jude (the 3rd Elijah see Malachi 4:5-6) with the gospel of immortality plus incorruptibility.

We are currently in the 7th dispensation (which began from the day of Pentecost) and this seventh angel, like the great John the Baptist, is the one who will usher in the second coming of our Supreme Lord Jesus Christ and the 8th dispensation (which is at hand).

THIS IS WHERE WE ARE NOW.
 
n2thelight said:
Israel is and has always been the Church,therefore no different plan...Off topic but had to say it....
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Hi Brother n2thelight, I would indeed think that with your thinking of all Israel being the Church, we read in Luke 7:28, For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist: but he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he. Do you include him as the Church?

Joh 3:29 He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom (John the Baptist), which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled. How is he that is the greatest prophet not a part of the bride of Christ, but the friend of Him?
 
Brother Mike said:
Is it a real church, the body of Christ, if it's been considered to stray from truth?
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The seven different locations of the One Church in Asia were addressed concerning judgment of their walk in Christ. You say "stray from truth?" Yes, but they remain the Church, and their subsequent rewards reflect that verdict where we read of judgment beginning at the house of God (1 Pet 4:17).

Two churches; them at Philadelphia and Smyrna are commended, have crowns, and represent those that remain faithful unto death (Rev 2:10), and them that faithfully keep the word of God, are kept from the temptation to come upon all the world, and are caught up to be with Jesus at the beginning of the LORD's Day.

The remaining five churches are told to repent or face consequences much akin to those of Israel on the ephods of Aaron placed in the order of their birth, but concerning their spiritual warfare they obtained a different placing on the Breastplate of Judgment. Rueben was first born (Ex 28:8-10), but Judah led the marching order (Numbers Chap 2). Ephesus is facing the same conundrum according to Rev 2:5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent. The result is that they will be caught up to meet Christ in the air later than than Philadelphia & Smyrna.
 
Pastor Kings said:
(H.E) is an abbreviation for His Eminence. This is not just a title, but being the very first made man, the procreator of the mankind race, our very first bio-father, He is the most superior of all men.
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I really do not understand that brother.
Mat 11:11 Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.
Luk 1:15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.
Blessings in Christ Jesus. :wave2
 
Pastor Kings said:
(H.E) is an abbreviation for His Eminence. This is not just a title, but being the very first made man, the procreator of the mankind race, our very first bio-father, He is the most superior of all men.
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That seems to me an attempt to mimic the Islamic way of revering a fellow sinner (pbuh).
 
Eugene said:
I really do not understand that brother.
Mat 11:11 Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.
Luk 1:15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.
Blessings in Christ Jesus. :wave2
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In Mat 11:11, Our Supreme Lord shared a very important message. When HE said "among them that are born of women ...", there and then, HE removed Father Adam (H.E) from the count. This is because Father Adam (H.E) is the only man not born of a woman, as He was moulded of GOD's own hands.
Likewise when HE said "notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he", HE was referring to HIMSELF because of the mission (atonement) for which HE came at that time.

Jesus Christ (H.P) is the GOD of creation. HE came in the shoes of Adam, as the propitiation for the original sin. HE considered HIMSELF the least, because a bail price is considered less important than the person that needs the bail. Yet HE is GOD, which is why HE is still greater than John.

Therefore, aside from our Supreme Lord Jesus Christ, who you don't compare to John, and then Father Adam, who was not born of a woman, who was also not made as a baby, rather when He was a day old, He was a full grown man; none other is greater than John.
 
My comment

The Lord's first formal message to the church given to the 7 assemblies in Asia Minor is the same today as then .... He picks them as examples to show what is acceptable to Him, and what is unacceptable ....the same must be applied to all of the many denominations of professing Christianity today

This message was initially conveyed to the apostle John for sending and recording the Lord's views, and when given the apostle heard the Lord's trumpet voice ... the first trumpet sounding for the church [Revelation 1:10]

The day is coming when the last trumpet for the church will be sounded [1 Corinthians 15:51-58; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; Revelation 18:4]

The message also tells of the "things that will be hereafter" ..... after the last trumpet sounds for the church [Revelation 4:1]

The apostle's spirit is then taken into the future, and to heaven to be shown the events of the Lord's coming judgment upon the earth and beyond, beginning in chapter 7
 
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