White Girl Bleed A Lot

[Stormcrow]

From the AiM article, linked in earlier post:

If the races were reversed, we would be witnessing an outpouring of guilt of biblical proportions. Instead, the victims are white and we get an outpouring of ignominious silence.

Yep.

Question is, "why?" (Nevermind. I know the answer.)

 

[Mike S]

From the AiM article, linked in earlier post:

Yep.

Question is, "why?" (Nevermind. I know the answer.)

The roles of black and white in this narrative were exactly the opposite for most of our history, but the dynamcis are still the same, there is power and politcal advantage in manipulating racial tensions.

We hear constantly that what we need is honest discussion of race relations, but the truth is, almost no one actually wants that. The power in race baiting is just too tempting to give up.

 

[Lewis]

There is no race but the human race. When they cracked the human Genome scientist couldn't tell who was who. And if I can remember right the word race was first used to describe the Jews by the Germans. If all come from Adam and Eve how can there be a different race. Acts 17:26 says that from one blood God made all nations of men. God's Word did not say 2 or 3 bloods but one. If you learn the meaning of the names of Noah's 3 sons Shem, Ham, and Japheth and then see how we all split up at the Tower of Babal you might learn something. And first of all, all colors of people kill, steal, love, and hate. Not one color of people are exempt. Now the media puts it's focus on the inner cities, and it makes blacks look bad. When it is a fact that whites commit more crimes in America, reason blacks only make up about 8 percent of the USA. And we are about 67 to 70 percent of the prison population. And there are many factors as to why that is. Pick up the book Black Robes White Justice by Bruce Wright, and you will see why. The media gives blacks and hispanics a bad rap. When really people are the same everywhere.

By Bruce Wright - Kensington Books (2002) - Paperback - <nobr>214 pages</nobr> - <nobr>ISBN 0758201109</nobr>
As a lawyer and criminal court judge, Bruce Wright has seen, first-hand, the disturbing truth about how fundamentally unfair our judicial system is toward African Americans. In this important book, he takes a hard look at these inequities, documenting them with numerous cases drawn from his years of experience in the courts.With unflinching honesty, he tackles such controversial subjects as the deep-seeded societal prejudices of white judges, the lack of black judges, the long history of excluding blacks from law schools and bar associations, the practice of setting higher bail for black defendants, the anti-black biases of white jurors, and the black defendant's limited access to quality legal representation.Judge Wright also addresses the abuse of police power against blacks, the dehumanizing conditions in jails populated primarily by blacks, and the way that death penalty convictions discriminate against blacks. Finally, he proposes remedies that must be taken if the courts are truly to become a place of justice for all.Timely and relevant, "Black Robes, White Justice" is a book that every American should read in order to understand one of the most important issues of our time. « less

 

[Mike S]

There is no race but the human race. When they cracked the human Genome scientist couldn't tell who was who. And if I can remember right the word race was first used to describe the Jews by the Germans. If all come from Adam and Eve how can there be a different race. Acts 17:26 says that from one blood God made all nations of men. God's Word did not say 2 or 3 bloods but one. If you learn the meaning of the names of Noah's 3 sons Shem, Ham, and Japheth and then see how we all split up at the Tower of Babal you might learn something. And first of all, all colors of people kill, steal, love, and hate. Not one color of people are exempt. Now the media puts it's focus on the inner cities, and it makes blacks look bad. When it is a fact that whites commit more crimes in America, reason blacks only make up about 8 percent of the USA. And we are about 67 to 70 percent of the prison population. And there are many factors as to why that is. Pick up the book Black Robes White Justice by Bruce Wright, and you will see why. The media gives blacks and hispanics a bad rap. When really people are the same everywhere.

That's true, and it's often the reason given by people who justify a conscious effort to downplay or conceal race in crime reporting, if the offender is black. They can see that as a way of tamping down racial tensions and avoiding possible backlash against blacks. This is a big factor in Thomas Sowell's article, where he points out that serious racial confrontations would be disastrous for blacks, since they are outnumbered by a factor of almost ten. Nothing good could come from a full-scale race war.

By Bruce Wright - Kensington Books (2002) - Paperback - <NOBR>214 pages</NOBR> - <NOBR>ISBN 0758201109</NOBR>
As a lawyer and criminal court judge, Bruce Wright has seen, first-hand, the disturbing truth about how fundamentally unfair our judicial system is toward African Americans. In this important book, he takes a hard look at these inequities, documenting them with numerous cases drawn from his years of experience in the courts.With unflinching honesty, he tackles such controversial subjects as the deep-seeded societal prejudices of white judges, the lack of black judges, the long history of excluding blacks from law schools and bar associations, the practice of setting higher bail for black defendants, the anti-black biases of white jurors, and the black defendant's limited access to quality legal representation.Judge Wright also addresses the abuse of police power against blacks, the dehumanizing conditions in jails populated primarily by blacks, and the way that death penalty convictions discriminate against blacks. Finally, he proposes remedies that must be taken if the courts are truly to become a place of justice for all.Timely and relevant, "Black Robes, White Justice" is a book that every American should read in order to understand one of the most important issues of our time. « less

I agree with Bruce Wright.

We would benefit from a truly honest discussion of all aspects of race relations...but we're not going to have it.

 

[Stormcrow]

The roles of black and white in this narrative were exactly the opposite for most of our history, but the dynamcis are still the same there is power and politcal advantage in manipulating racial tensions.

Yes. Those who espouse black on black/white violence are no better than those who espoused white on black violence. But I think there is another dynamic at work that persists in both instances, too.

Those who do such things do them because they feel empowered and enabled to do them.

For years, white criminals could abuse blacks because they knew that such violence would be ignored by the media and lightly regarded by law enforcement, if it were even acknowledged as a criminal act at all.

Now you have a media equally willing to look the other way refusing to call out or condemn the perpetrators of these black on white/black acts, and a Justice Department in Washington D.C. that applies "hate crime" laws - when it applies them - in only one direction, while refusing to utter a peep about these crimes!

In the meantime, we are asked to "understand" the anger that causes such violence because even when blacks are the perpetrators in these acts - they are still the victims! After all, generations of "white oppression" have driven them to it!

I'm sorry, but the liberals in academia and the media who thrive on perpetuating this modern myth of "black victimhood" are just as racist as the moron who sprays the "n-word" on a black homeowner's garage door!

It is every bit as racist to suggest that these black perpetrators lack the capacity for moral clarity (the ability to know the difference between right and wrong and to choose that which is right) as it is to suggest they are too stupid - merely by virtue of their color - to know any better!

When they (white liberals and black "advocates") play the "black victimhood" card, what they are really saying is "these black teens cannot help themselves! Racial anger and hatred is part of who and what they are" as though these teens are incapable of thinking or behaving in a civil manner. Such platitudes reduce black people to the level of animals and regard their ability to think as little more than "instinct."

 

[Stormcrow]

There is no race but the human race.

It would be nice if Congress would get that and they would, therefore, repeal all "hate crime" laws which are based on race.

What violent crime perpetrated by one human being against another isn't rooted in hatred?

Criminals should be judged for what they do, not how they think or what color they are.

 

[DarkHorseRising]

Criminals should be judged for what they do, not how they think or what color they are.

Then stop going on about "white criminal" this and "black criminal" that. You're part of the problem. Nobody cares what color a criminal is.

 

[Stormcrow]

With unflinching honesty, he tackles such controversial subjects as the deep-seeded societal prejudices of white judges, the lack of black judges, the long history of excluding blacks from law schools and bar associations, the practice of setting higher bail for black defendants, the anti-black biases of white jurors, and the black defendant's limited access to quality legal representation.

This is the kind of leftist drivel that drives me nuts:

...the lack of black judges, the long history of excluding blacks from law schools and bar associations...

Once again, the view presented here is that only blacks are fit to judge or represent blacks. This view implies blacks cannot get a fair trial in a white jurist's courtroom and impugns the integrity of the entire legal system, which is predicated upon the idea that "justice is blind."

This is as much a racial stereotype as others that exist. The real reason there are more blacks and Hispanics in jail is summed up in the review of the book in this line:

"...the black defendant's limited access to quality legal representation."

Just out of curiosity, how many liberal lawyers (black or white) who wring their hands over this issue do pro bono work for poor black and Hispanic clients?

 

[Stormcrow]

Then stop going on about "white criminal" this and "black criminal" that. You're part of the problem. Nobody cares what color a criminal is.

:biglol

Typical liberal nonsense. You simply want to make this about those with whom you disagree. Try to stay focused on the issue.

And yes, "white criminal" and "black criminal" is a distinction made by the media and lawmakers in the U.S., so obviously someone cares about such a distinction, even if you do not.

 

[DarkHorseRising]

:biglol

Typical liberal nonsense.

I know next to nothing about politics, but I'm pretty sure America doesn't even have liberals; that's Canada.

I could turn it around and say you're spouting typical socialist nonsense or whatever party is out there, but that's pointless.

Is it seriously too much to see people for who they are and not their skin color? Do you want people to see you for the person you are, or for your race?

 

[Stormcrow]

I know next to nothing about politics, but I'm pretty sure America doesn't even have liberals; that's Canada.

I could turn it around and say you're spouting typical socialist nonsense or whatever party is out there, but that's pointless.

Unproductive remark deleted by staff.

 

[DarkHorseRising]

I'm not the issue. We're discussing media bias and in that context it is a perfectly valid discussion to have!

But as I suspect by your posts here you are fairly young, I won't hold any of this against you.

If you're worried about media bias, learn to use your own critical thinking skills instead of allowing yourself to be spoonfed. The media is not reality. It's a combination of entertainment and commercialization. You're the only person I've met who takes it seriously.

 

[Danus]

There is no race but the human race. When they cracked the human Genome scientist couldn't tell who was who. And if I can remember right the word race was first used to describe the Jews by the Germans. If all come from Adam and Eve how can there be a different race. Acts 17:26 says that from one blood God made all nations of men. God's Word did not say 2 or 3 bloods but one. If you learn the meaning of the names of Noah's 3 sons Shem, Ham, and Japheth and then see how we all split up at the Tower of Babal you might learn something. And first of all, all colors of people kill, steal, love, and hate. Not one color of people are exempt. Now the media puts it's focus on the inner cities, and it makes blacks look bad. When it is a fact that whites commit more crimes in America, reason blacks only make up about 8 percent of the USA. And we are about 67 to 70 percent of the prison population. And there are many factors as to why that is. Pick up the book Black Robes White Justice by Bruce Wright, and you will see why. The media gives blacks and hispanics a bad rap. When really people are the same everywhere.

That's true, and it's often the reason given by people who justify a conscious effort to downplay or conceal race in crime reporting, if the offender is black. They can see that as a way of tamping down racial tensions and avoiding possible backlash against blacks. This is a big factor in Thomas Sowell's article, where he points out that serious racial confrontations would be disastrous for blacks, since they are outnumbered by a factor of almost ten. Nothing good could come from a full-scale race war.

We would benefit from a truly honest discussion of all aspects of race relations...but we're not going to have it.

Mark I have to ask, have you ever thought that it does not matter if you know the race of someone who commits a crime or not? Do you ever hear, or read, of a crime that was committed and form a profile of the culprit in your mind?

An honest discussion about racism is difficult for just everyone because everyone has a dishonest agenda when it comes to discussing it. When people discuss racism, they almost always begin with a victims statement and point out the perpetration as the other people.

Fear, ignorance, and hate are three words that go together and can be used to describe racism. Those three words are the heart of evil. Grace, mercy, and love are the opposite and can be used to describe peace. They are the heart of Christ; which is what we seek.

Grace, mercy, and love do not care what the news reports or does not report, or who did what to whom by hearts of fear, ignorance, and hate, because Grace, mercy, and love has over come fear, ignorance, and hate. It's done with that.

Would we really benefit from an honest discussion of all aspects of race relations, or would we benefit more if we all just sought the heart of Christ' grace, mercy, and love first, then lived our own lives as examples of that grace, mercy, and love, to those we know exist under fear, ignorance, and hate?

When we hear the news we should 1. Not be surprised there is evil in the world. 2. Not pin what is true on any one type of person. 3. Not fear it, because Christ told us not to. ....John 16:33; 33 “I have told you these things, so that in me you may have peace. In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world.†.....God says to us also; Isaiah 41:10; 10 So do not fear, for I am with you; do not be dismayed, for I am your God. I will strengthen you and help you; I will uphold you with my righteous right hand.

Racism does not matter because we are not effected by it, and if we are in Christ we've no fear, we've no ignorance, and we've no hate. And in this way Lewis makes the best point in saying that there is no race, but the human race, but we need to decide what side of that race we will stand if we are calling ourselves followers of Christ.

 

[Lewis]

The whole thing is, the word race divides us, it makes people think that they are a different class of people. And the Devil has cashed in on it, and we have bought it hook line and sinker. As I stated a few posts ago, when they cracked the human Genome they could not tell who was who, meaning the color of the people that the samples were from. God says that we are all one, but stupid, and mean stupid ignorant man says that we are all a different class of people. And what really gets me is that, we all came from the same mother and father Adam & Eve. You know in Biblical times the color of your skin did not matter at all, that is why there were 2 black rulers of Rome and about 2 or 3 black popes. It was about what can you bring to the table ? Not the color of your skin. You know small children don't see any difference in each other, and then comes along a stupid foolish adult who puts the poison in their minds. And you know what, to say that one color of people is better than the other or less violent than the other is foolish. God made us all the same. Now whites are saying that blacks are the more violent because of the media. And the truth is you are mostly violent to the people that you live around, that goes for white and black. Also European scholars has people thinking that 99 percent of the people in the Bible were white, and this also divides us, and makes people think that they are better than the other. When they constantly see pictures of all the Biblical players as white, it makes people think that they are a master race. just ask the KKK or the Skin Heads. So the devil has cashed in, and he and his demons are having a ball promoting it. And the end result is is division among God's human creation. This color thing makes me sick and mean that, I am just sick of it. And let me tell you all a secret, we were created to mix.

 

[jasoncran]

oh, well i got to be me.

well i like to tend to think differently. well be a jew and lewis is a jew. hmm why then do christians hold to this form of zionism that isreal is of one race from abraham when in fact many a gentiles joined to that nation at horeb and also threw her history?

thus why lewis is a hebrew and is of isreal as i am.

the idea of God's children with isreal is that it was some of gods seed promise to abraham and to any that would join became of abraham by faith. ie rachab,ruth, and also the wife of joseph(he married an egyptian and his half-tribes were the largest and they were likely the darkest skinned!)

 

[Mike S]

Mark I have to ask, have you ever thought that it does not matter if you know the race of someone who commits a crime or not? Do you ever hear, or read, of a crime that was committed and form a profile of the culprit in your mind?

I never think that race matters, if the crimes are reported honestly without all the race baiting hype that is happening around the Trayvon Martin case.

Sometimes I form a profile, depending on the type and description of the crime. There are crimes that are committed almost exclusively by one race or the other. Serial killers are almost always white men. Embezzlement is almost always a crime committed by a white man or woman. Violent crimes using a gun or knife are committed far more often by blacks and hispanics than by whites or asians.

 

[Mike S]

Mark I have to ask, have you ever thought that it does not matter if you know the race of someone who commits a crime or not? Do you ever hear, or read, of a crime that was committed and form a profile of the culprit in your mind?

An honest discussion about racism is difficult for just everyone because everyone has a dishonest agenda when it comes to discussing it. When people discuss racism, they almost always begin with a victims statement and point out the perpetration as the other people.

Fear, ignorance, and hate are three words that go together and can be used to describe racism. Those three words are the heart of evil. Grace, mercy, and love are the opposite and can be used to describe peace. They are the heart of Christ; which is what we seek.

Grace, mercy, and love do not care what the news reports or does not report, or who did what to whom by hearts of fear, ignorance, and hate, because Grace, mercy, and love has over come fear, ignorance, and hate. It's done with that.

Would we really benefit from an honest discussion of all aspects of race relations, or would we benefit more if we all just sought the heart of Christ' grace, mercy, and love first, then lived our own lives as examples of that grace, mercy, and love, to those we know exist under fear, ignorance, and hate?

When we hear the news we should 1. Not be surprised there is evil in the world. 2. Not pin what is true on any one type of person. 3. Not fear it, because Christ told us not to. ....John 16:33; 33 “I have told you these things, so that in me you may have peace. In this world you will have trouble. But take heart! I have overcome the world.” .....God says to us also; Isaiah 41:10; 10 So do not fear, for I am with you; do not be dismayed, for I am your God. I will strengthen you and help you; I will uphold you with my righteous right hand.

Racism does not matter because we are not effected by it, and if we are in Christ we've no fear, we've no ignorance, and we've no hate. And in this way Lewis makes the best point in saying that there is no race, but the human race, but we need to decide what side of that race we will stand if we are calling ourselves followers of Christ.

That applies within our Christian communities, but will NEVER be a reality in the secular world.

Again, this thread is about how race related crimes are reported, not racism itself.

 

[Mike S]

The whole thing is, the word race divides us, it makes people think that they are a different class of people. And the Devil has cashed in on it, and we have bought it hook line and sinker. As I stated a few posts ago, when they cracked the human Genome they could not tell who was who, meaning the color of the people that the samples were from. God says that we are all one, but stupid, and mean stupid ignorant man says that we are all a different class of people. And what really gets me is that, we all came from the same mother and father Adam & Eve. You know in Biblical times the color of your skin did not matter at all, that is why there were 2 black rulers of Rome and about 2 or 3 black popes. It was about what can you bring to the table ? Not the color of your skin. You know small children don't see any difference in each other, and then comes along a stupid foolish adult who puts the poison in their minds. And you know what, to say that one color of people is better than the other or less violent than the other is foolish. God made us all the same. Now whites are saying that blacks are the more violent because of the media. And the truth is you are mostly violent to the people that you live around, that goes for white and black. Also European scholars has people thinking that 99 percent of the people in the Bible were white, and this also divides us, and makes people think that they are better than the other. When they constantly see pictures of all the Biblical players as white, it makes people think that they are a master race. just ask the KKK or the Skin Heads. So the devil has cashed in, and he and his demons are having a ball promoting it. And the end result is is division among God's human creation. This color thing makes me sick and mean that, I am just sick of it. And let me tell you all a secret, we were created to mix.

If we could, overnight, magically make racism and skin color differences disappear,by tomorrow night we'd have thought of something else to divide ourselves by, and fuel our hatred with. That is human nature, we are tribal by nature, and that isn't going to change. It is far more inherited than it is learned. We simply have to develop ways to overcome those prejudices. And by the Grace that comes from accepting Christ, we do overcome those human evils.

 

[Danus]

That applies within our Christian communities, but will NEVER be a reality in the secular world.

Again, this thread is about how race related crimes are reported, not racism itself.

It sure seems to be about race.

 

[Mike S]

It sure seems to be about race.

Well, I keep trying to steer it back to media bias, but most don't want to deal with that, so they keep returning to the more emotional issue of racism.